And the best of them all, Mbappé.
Edit: Kane was having a very good game and partnership with Saka, they are the reason England were threatening.
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And the best of them all, Mbappé.
Edit: Kane was having a very good game and partnership with Saka, they are the reason England were threatening.
Fair play. I agree with all that
He made a huge error signing that giant contract so early at Spurs. He could have joined any club he fancied but instead he tied himself down in his prime just for a bump in his salary.
I genuinely think the early Poch days made him think they were building towards a period of domination. Silly guy.
Kane will be 30 in July and have 1 year left on his Spurs contract, I think that he'll want to go if there's no success in 2nd part of this season under Conte. You'd expect him to have another 2-4 years left of his prime. Though the question is - where he'd go? Would he go to another European league, I doubt it as he surely wants to break Shearer's record. That leaves him with few PL choices - United, Chelsea, Newcastle. It's not guaranteed those 3 clubs will have success in years to come either.
I'm pretty sure if he'd joined another club his salary would have had an even bigger bump.
I don't blame any player for signing long contracts, they are ensuring their future financial well being doing a job, because that's what it is, which could end the next time they play
Agreed. Hindsight is 20/20, at the time he signed the new contract, Spurs probably was on the up too. Also, being a legend at a club where you grew up is not necessarily a bad thing. If Rashford signs a new long-term deal with us now, would we call him silly? Of course not.
His record in big games isn’t actually particularly good at all. And I have to say having watched that second penalty again, I really do think he bottled it. He’s usually so accomplished on those. He doesn’t usually go for absolute power by putting his laces through the ball, but he did here; I think the pressure of knowing there wasn’t much time left on the clock got to him and he just lost his composure and that’s why he’s just put the laces through it in the end.
From a career point of view you don’t sign your whole career away to Spurs if you want to challenge for big trophies, no hindsight is needed.
Really, I seem to recall Spurs playing in the CL final not so long ago, pray tell me which club competition is a bigger trophy?
An isolated incident, the exception the proves the rule. How many trophies have Spurs won in the last thirty years? Pray tell…
They didn't win but they did challenge for them which is what your post said
no, it’s not what my post said. I said you don’t sign your career away to Spurs if you want to challenge for the biggest trophies. A fluke run to the CL final once doesn’t contradict that in the slightest.
So Spurs have never challenged for the CL, PL, FA Cup or league cup whilst Kane has been there
So no players should sign a long term contract at United then given that it's unlikely we'll be challenging for the CL anytime soon, BTW, what is your definition of challenging? Semi-final, final, top 4 of PL?
Ehh, this is a simple point and you either agree or disagree, I’m not about spending more time on definitions or hypotheticals. Simplest way of thinking about it is:
“Spurs have been challenging for major trophies in the last six years”
If you find that statement to be true then good luck to you. I don’t think it’s true and one CL final appearance isn’t going to change my mind.
He said this before the World Cup even started. He nailed it there. Kane has never show it in the big game.
Hmmmm, its debatable, which is kind of the point. His goals, for all their multitude, have rarely been at the most signifiant moments in England’s recent ressurgeance, and when they have been they’ve been penalties - two of which he’s missed (tho luckily the rebound fell nicely for him in the Euros semi)
The main factor of course is that we’ve had some pretty favourable runs (and group stages at the last 2 World Cups.)
In WC2018 he scored most of his goals in the opening 2 group games, then a penalty in the round of 16, and then nothing in the quarters or semis, where he actually missed a crucial chance.
2020 he didn’t score at all until the R16 - the second in a 2-0 win - then in a 4-0 win, then a rebounded penalty in the semis. Was pretty shit in the final. Sterling and Shaw were a lot more important than him for the most part.
In 2022 he scored none in the group stages and the second in a 3-0 R16, then 1 of 2 penalties in the quarters. Plenty of players have been more important this time out.
It’s not a shabby record by any metric, but it’s not really the stuff of legend either. Which is kind of the point. For a team that’s done pretty well internationally during his peak, there haven’t actually been many* moments when he personally has rescued the team or won a game outside of scoring a penalty.. which doesn’t really scream “carrying” to me
* a last minute winner in an opening group game against Tunisia is probably the closest, and you could say he was the biggest factor against Ukraine too… both of which are pretty great, but not up there with the very best either
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He had a great game one penalty miss doesn’t negate that, he played better than Giroud for example who scored a goal in open play.
Don't threaten me with the good time of making a missed penalty in knockout World Cup games XI.
That comparison gives away a false impression that their England careers were comparable. They are not.
Rooney was a dud for England, whereas Kane actually made things happen at the highest stage, at EC and WC.
Rooney's goal record for England is the perfect example for "all smoke and no fire", efficient, but zero effectivity.
It’s a good point. Rooney despite becoming the all time leading goal scorer for England actually won nothing at international level whereas Kane on the other hand has become the all time leading goal scorer for England while *checks notes* winning absolutely nothing at international level.
Good point, when you are desperately trying to miss the point.
Rooney was better when he was younger whilst Kane was better when he was older.
The false impression is pedestaling Kane’s rather modest international career. Having a better England career than Rooney isn’t a particularly high bar to set. What has Kane actually done better than Rooney? Won a trophy for England? No. Scored at more tournaments, yes. . . So has Enner Valencia.
What you’re doing is creating a discussion with caveats that of course favour Kane. Has he had a better international career? I suppose but Rooney isn’t lying up awake in bed at night because Kane got to a Euros final. Declan Rice has a better England career than Rooney at this point, but they’ve the same medal tally which is why they play the game.
Made things happen at the highest stage
You’d take the totality of Rooney’s career at this stage, international achievements included because they’ve both won the sum total of nothing at that level.
I get the argument, Kane has a better international career. I just think it’s irrelevant & would be moot had Kane done other things in his career. It’s funny you use the phrase all smoke no fire as it sums up Kane’s international career perfectly at this point.
Made things happen at the highest stage
Ok if you set your bar at the highest level, nothing happened… yet he is/was the leader and the most representative player in the best and most consistent England cycle bar 1966 WC… which is the new benchmark for the managers and the leaders to come. It seems stupid or a consolation prize, but it is not… EDIT: also answering @Mockney
I didn’t set that bar. Read the post I quoted.
Kane, in general, hasn't been particularly special for England in international tournaments. He was meh at the last Euros, was golden boot in 2018 mainly by scoring against poorer teams (Tunisia, Panama, Colombia) but came up short when it really mattered (poor in the semi against Croatia, one of the reasons England lost that one). He had a good game against France last week and seemed to be finding his groove, but looked heavy before that.
Yeah for sure, better than Rooney at international level, but not exactly a stellar resume either way.
Also this "making things happen at the highest stage" erm... how so? He's had a much more cohesive team around him than England has had in a long time, but he's hardly been the talisman to get the team over the line. He's just been one of the many other players that has meant England has done well, but not great, over the past few years.
Especially when he has previous this season
Yeah Rashford loves a pressure penalty against French opposition. Southgate you shuld have brought him on earlier giving Kane the option.
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He is probably wishing he did now,initially I thought he should have taken that penalty but as it goes on my mind has changed.
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Turns 30 this year and has never won anything. He has wasted his career.
Even wiki is taking the piss listing things he almost won as his honours.
Honours
Tottenham Hotspur
Even wiki is taking the piss listing things he almost won as his honours.
Honours
Tottenham Hotspur
- Football League/EFL Cup runner-up: 2014–15,[77] 2020–21[337]
- UEFA Champions League runner-up: 2018–19[338]
- UEFA European Championship runner-up: 2020[339]
- UEFA Nations League third place: 2018–19[340]
He has been terrible in the last two games.
Any mobility he may have had left is gone.
Rare Levy blunder. Should've taken the money and rebuilt.
They should flip him to Chelsea or something whilst they have the chance
He'll finish his career with a handful of golden boots being his top honours.
15 goals already.
World class finish his 2nd
None of our players would score the first either
None of our players would score the first either
He should do a Sheringham