Harry Kane MBE | Performances

[Scroto Baggins]

Aguero is a cut above (his career has just been ridiculous), but I'd take Kane over Lewa/Auba/Icardi without hesitation. He's a top quality player, despite being a bit of a wally.

Yep, Aguero and Kane certainly are a cut above. I compiled these stats November last year for prem player comparisons so they may have changed marginally, but they show why Aguero and Kane are world class. Even if you take away Kane's all round game, he is still a lethal finisher. And Aguero has been doing it for so long now it's almost expected, it's hard to say how much of a freak Aguero is. Stats were not really a big thing in the Shearer era but he ended his career with 0.59 goals/match, 260 goals, 441 appearances.

Kane
Goals 115
Goals/match 0.69
Shots 641
Shots ot 292
Accuracy 46%

Aguero
Goals 151
Goals/match 0.69
Shots 857
Shots ot 359
Accuracy 42%


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Rashford
Goals 19
Goals/match 0.22
Shots 129
Shots ot 50
Accuracy 39%

Hazard
Goals 76
Goals/match 0.35
Shots 430
Shots ot 189
Accuracy 44%

Mane
Goals 50
Goals/match 0.37
Shots 302
Shots ot 125
Accuracy 41%

Son
Goals 31
Goals/match 0.29
Shots 207
Shots ot 83
Accuracy 40%

Lukaku
Goals 105
Goals/match 0.45
Shots 647
Shots ot 294
Accuracy 45%

Firminho
Goals 39
Goals/match 0.34
Shots 270
Shots ot 117
Accuracy 43%

Sterling
Goals 56
Goals/match 0.28
Shots 396
Shots ot 159
Accuracy 40%

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

And right now Kane is in a genuine conversation for best striker in the world and has been in that conversation for a while. Not that it means that he is the best, but ESPN ranked him #1.

..... Because Shearer, Batistuta, Del Piero, Ronaldo are not playing anymore.

He’s very very good. World Class for his generation. But his generation is as shallow as it could be for centre forwards.

 

[breakout67]

..... Because Shearer, Batistuta, Del Piero, Ronaldo are not playing anymore.

He’s very very good. World Class for his generation. But his generation is as shallow as it could be for centre forwards.

Never thought about it that way but this seems true. Strikers used to be the all round package, they could do everything, but now it seems you always have to make sacrifices. If you want your striker to hold up play, then he'll probably be a big lump that has no pace and can't dribble effectively. If you want your striker to pick a defense then he'll struggle with his back to goal.

I'd say the last great strikers were prime Zlatan and Suarez. At their best they had no shortcomings.

 

[hellohello]

..... Because Shearer, Batistuta, Del Piero, Ronaldo are not playing anymore.

He’s very very good. World Class for his generation. But his generation is as shallow as it could be for centre forwards.

Never thought about it that way but this seems true. Strikers used to be the all round package, they could do everything, but now it seems you always have to make sacrifices. If you want your striker to hold up play, then he'll probably be a big lump that has no pace and can't dribble effectively. If you want your striker to pick a defense then he'll struggle with his back to goal.

I'd say the last great strikers were prime Zlatan and Suarez. At their best they had no shortcomings.

It's slightly difficult to compare a 25 year old with legends of the past or players at the end of their careers.

When Suarez was 25 he had 81 goals in 110 appearances for Ajax, and 15 goals in 54 appearances for Liverpool. He didn't really step up to the next level before 2012/2013 season when he was 26 years old. Ibrahimovic had 23 goals in 70 appearances for Juventus, and then 57 goals in 88 appearances for Inter. Batistutas Fiorentina stats were 71 goals in 117 appearances. Harry Kane got 125 goals in 175 appearances for Spurs.

Of course there's more to being a good forward than just goals, but Kane is overall fantastic and has no shortcomings in my view, he drops deep, plays with his back to goal, runs the channels and can spray nice passes. There's no reason why Kane can't create a legacy as good as those players you mention.

 

[breakout67]

Kane being slow as molasses is a clear weakness of his. Not to mention his lack of agility means he can't beat multiple players consistently. Another one I forgot to mention is Henry, just on a different planet to Kane as a player.

The reality is that strikers in todays game are more specialized, their main quality is goals and things to facilitate that. Spurs consistently look worse when Kane comes back from Injury because he doesn't faciliate the team in the same way as Son and Alli do. They have to adapt to his playstyle.

 

[djembatheking]

Just hope he delivers tomorrow .

 

[dwd]

Were you really? Or are you pulling my leg

Honest, my Dad got an MBE, was hoping it would be the same day as the celebs but it was sadly just plebs!

 

[FootyGirl88]

Honest, my Dad got an MBE, was hoping it would be the same day as the celebs but it was sadly just plebs!

Awe wow that's amazing - you must be so proud

 

[KingMinger22]

Easily the best striker in football now.

 

[SquishyMcSquish]

Kane being slow as molasses is a clear weakness of his. Not to mention his lack of agility means he can't beat multiple players consistently. Another one I forgot to mention is Henry, just on a different planet to Kane as a player.

The reality is that strikers in todays game are more specialized, their main quality is goals and things to facilitate that. Spurs consistently look worse when Kane comes back from Injury because he doesn't faciliate the team in the same way as Son and Alli do. They have to adapt to his playstyle.

So much unsubstantiated nonsense in one post.

Impressive, really.

 

[breakout67]

So much unsubstantiated nonsense in one post.

Impressive, really.

Kane being slow, not doing mazy dribbles is unsubstantiated. Or that Spurs look dodgy whenever Kane comes back from injury because the team has to be centered around him. That's not a criticism of Kane by the way, he was Spurs' best player when he came back from injury a while back.

 

[SquishyMcSquish]

Kane being slow, not doing mazy dribbles is unsubstantiated. Or that Spurs look dodgy whenever Kane comes back from injury because the team has to be centered around him. That's not a criticism of Kane by the way, he was Spurs' best player when he came back from injury a while back.

He's not that slow. I mean he's obviously not quick and it's not his strength, but he's not sluggish either. It's not some big downfall of his game.

He's not going on mazy dribbling runs but that's not his game, his footwork however is deceptively good and he's very hard to get the ball off. He's one of the best in the league at finding space for a shot on goal, he's technically a superb player.

Your post made out he was as slow as Luca Toni and could barely dribble, both of which are vast exaggerations.

Also, Kane isn't responsible for the teams recent results. We were struggling before his return but scraping points, its a coincidence and nothing more than that. We haven't looked dodgy in the past when he's come back, and Southampton in the first half was the best we've looked as an attacking unit in months.

A team doesn't need to be built around Kane either, he's perfectly capable of dropping deep and playing well as a support striker, he does it well for England. He's a very well rounded player with a fantastic skill set, not some limited striker who needs everything set up so he can score goals.

Everyone in the team thrives when Kane is on top form, he's a dream to play with as a wide player because he's so good at holding the ball up and spraying the ball out wide. Son has been crap recently because Son is inconsistent and scores in bursts, same as every season.

 

[breakout67]

He's not that slow. I mean he's obviously not quick and it's not his strength, but he's not sluggish either. It's not some big downfall of his game.

He's not going on mazy dribbling runs but that's not his game, his footwork however is deceptively good and he's very hard to get the ball off. He's one of the best in the league at finding space for a shot on goal, he's technically a superb player.

Your post made out he was as slow as Luca Toni and could barely dribble, both of which are vast exaggerations.

Also, Kane isn't responsible for the teams recent results. We were struggling before his return but scraping points, its a coincidence and nothing more than that. We haven't looked dodgy in the past when he's come back, and Southampton in the first half was the best we've looked as an attacking unit in months.

A team doesn't need to be built around Kane either, he's perfectly capable of dropping deep and playing well as a support striker, he does it well for England. He's a very well rounded player with a fantastic skill set, not some limited striker who needs everything set up so he can score goals.

Everyone in the team thrives when Kane is on top form, he's a dream to play with as a wide player because he's so good at holding the ball up and spraying the ball out wide. Son has been crap recently because Son is inconsistent and scores in bursts, same as every season.

I don't think you've been following the conversation. We are comparing Kane to the greats of the past. The fact that you have to say something is 'not his game' is the whole point I was making. R9 Ronaldo was average in physicality but he could hold up the play like no other, Zlatan was an absolute tank but his control in tight spaces was fantastic.

This is something that I've heard quite often about Kane, and that is he is not a graceful player, someone that has an X factor about his play. He's just really good at the fundamentals of being a striker.

You'd be hard pressed to find someone that considers Kane in the same bracket as the great striker of the past. Those types of players don't just have to be good strikers, but also to entertain.

 

[SquishyMcSquish]

I don't think you've been following the conversation. We are comparing Kane to the greats of the past. The fact that you have to say something is 'not his game' is the whole point I was making. R9 Ronaldo was average in physicality but he could hold up the play like no other, Zlatan was an absolute tank but his control in tight spaces was fantastic.

This is something that I've heard quite often about Kane, and that is he is not a graceful player, someone that has an X factor about his play. He's just really good at the fundamentals of being a striker.

You'd be hard pressed to find someone that considers Kane in the same bracket as the great striker of the past. Those types of players don't just have to be good strikers, but also to entertain.

Kane's hold up play is world class, his ability in tight spaces is also brilliant.

People can talk all they like about how he's not as good as past legends. He will probably end his career breaking the PL and England goal scoring records and will absolutely be viewed as one of the best strikers in PL history.

As for an 'X factor', his finishing is out of this world. He combines a very well rounded skill set with ridiculous striking technique with both feet, there are few more lethal in and around the box than Kane.

Plenty of players, pundits etc have already put Kane in that bracket, because he is. He doesn't have to 'entertain' when he delivers 40+ goals a season.

 

[breakout67]

Kane's hold up play is world class, his ability in tight spaces is also brilliant.

People can talk all they like about how he's not as good as past legends. He will probably end his career breaking the PL and England goal scoring records and will absolutely be viewed as one of the best strikers in PL history.

As for an 'X factor', his finishing is out of this world. He combines a very well rounded skill set with ridiculous striking technique with both feet, there are few more lethal in and around the box than Kane.

Plenty of players, pundits etc have already put Kane in that bracket, because he is. He doesn't have to 'entertain' when he delivers 40+ goals a season.

Who on earth considers Kane one of the great strikers of modern football like R9, Henry or Zlatan? Just Spurs and England fans? Also he's only scored 40+ once in his whole career and its doubtful he will repeat that feat ever again. Frankly speaking, anyone that puts him in the same league as those players has a worthless opinion to me.

 

[RooneyLegend]

R9 Ronaldo was average in physicality

Wait, how?

 

[breakout67]

Wait, how?

His height and build was nothing special. He even had weight problems which hindered him physically. He was also a changed player after some serious knee injuries. I think he could have been one of the best ever if it were not for these limiting factors. Even then he is one of the greatest strikers ever.

 

[SquishyMcSquish]

Who on earth considers Kane one of the great strikers of modern football like R9, Henry or Zlatan? Just Spurs and England fans? Also he's only scored 40+ once in his whole career and its doubtful he will repeat that feat ever again. Frankly speaking, anyone that puts him in the same league as those players has a worthless opinion to me.

Doubtful.. why? He had 39 the season before last. I guarantee he will do it again, probably more than once.

I don't think he's as good as R9 or Henry, but I'd have him in the same bracket as Zlatan, absolutely. His insanely consistent goal scoring ability combined with a very polished all round game put him up there with the top strikers.

He will be remembered as such when he retires, like I said probably having broken records. You can dismiss opinions all you like, but those be the facts.

The only mark against Kane is trophies, and sadly speaking as a Spurs fan he might well have to move on to get those. I also think he would smash 40+ a season easily for an 'elite' side like City Barca or Madrid.

His CL goal scoring record is also incredible, just as an added note. Sadly again as a team we've never gone deep in the competition, but as an individual he can't be faulted.

 

[AJ10]

Who on earth considers Kane one of the great strikers of modern football like R9, Henry or Zlatan? Just Spurs and England fans? Also he's only scored 40+ once in his whole career and its doubtful he will repeat that feat ever again. Frankly speaking, anyone that puts him in the same league as those players has a worthless opinion to me.

Wait...........There are people who consider mouth breather to be like R9/Henry/Zlatan? He's good but not that good.


But I think we should start a petition to get MBE Harry Kane knighted if he scores a Hat Trick and spurs win.

 

[Eric7C]

Spurs fans at their embarrassing best again. I think a good argument can be made that Kane is not even as good as Rooney was at one point.

Plus, whatever happened to having to win things to be considered one of the best? Part of what makes a great player is to be able to perform under high pressure situations where real trophies are at stake. Henry, R9, Zlatan, Rooney, RvN, RvP, Rooney, Drogba etc. have all done that. Kane has never even been in a proper title race.

 

[SquishyMcSquish]

Spurs fans at their embarrassing best again. I think a good argument can be made that Kane is not even as good as Rooney was at one point.

Plus, whatever happened to having to win things to be considered one of the best? Part of what makes a great player is to be able to perform under high pressure situations where real trophies are at stake. Henry, R9, Zlatan, Rooney, RvN, RvP, Rooney, Drogba etc. have all done that. Kane has never even been in a proper title race.

Rooney is a PL great as well and I'd have him on the same level as Zlatan. All Rooney lacked was a top level goal scoring record season after season, which Kane boasts.

Kane has performed well in high pressure situations when called upon, blaming him for team failures is harsh. But yes, if we don't win trophies in the next couple of seasons or so, he will likely move on and wherever he goes I have no doubt he'll win stuff.

If Kane ends up as the top scorer in PL & England history, will it still be embarrassing to put him up there with the greats? People are put off by the lack of trophies/because he's not an entertainer, but on an individual level his performances are extraordinary.

Honestly, I do think the fact he's playing for us (as happy as I am he is loyal and happy here) has worked against him, he deserves to be winning leagues and competing in European finals, if we can't give that to him then he needs to consider his future.

He's having an average season by his standards and was disrupted by injury, yet is still right up there for the golden boot, the man is phenomenally consistent.

 

[breakout67]

Wait...........There are people who consider mouth breather to be like R9/Henry/Zlatan? He's good but not that good.


But I think we should start a petition to get MBE Harry Kane knighted if he scores a Hat Trick and spurs win.

Yes some do, and it's usually Spurs fans. They point to his goal tally as evidence of him being a great player in the modern game. Kane wouldn't even come into contention for anyone without a hard-on for him or England. There are some similarities to Newcastle fans who think Shearer is the best striker ever to grace the game (there are many of those).

 

[Eric7C]

Rooney is a PL great as well and I'd have him on the same level as Zlatan. All Rooney lacked was a top level goal scoring record season after season, which Kane boasts.

Kane has performed well in high pressure situations when called upon, blaming him for team failures is harsh. But yes, if we don't win trophies in the next couple of seasons or so, he will likely move on and wherever he goes I have no doubt he'll win stuff.

If Kane ends up as the top scorer in PL & England history, will it still be embarrassing to put him up there with the greats? People are put off by the lack of trophies/because he's not an entertainer, but on an individual level his performances are extraordinary.

Honestly, I do think the fact he's playing for us (as happy as I am he is loyal and happy here) has worked against him, he deserves to be winning leagues and competing in European finals, if we can't give that to him then he needs to consider his future.

He's having an average season by his standards and was disrupted by injury, yet is still right up there for the golden boot, the man is phenomenally consistent.

I don't think anyone can reasonably argue that Kane is not a great player. He is. But to be remembered as one of the all time great strikers, you have to win things, and unless Kane goes to an elite club and can actually deal with their expectations, he will not be part of that conversation (people often underestimate what expectations can do to players). Similar to how we don't talk about Gascoigne in this regard, irrespective of the ability he had.

Also, Rooney often played second fiddle to other great players like RvN, Ronaldo, Tevez, Berbatov, RvP etc. The one season he was consistently played through the middle (09/10), he was phenomenal. That's what happens at elite teams - everything does not go through you anymore and you are not the focal point of the team, everything is not set up for you to score goals. Bale has discovered that since moving to Madrid, hasn't he? Kane will discover the same if he ever leaves Spurs.

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

Yes some do, and it's usually Spurs fans. They point to his goal tally as evidence of him being a great player in the modern game. Kane wouldn't even come into contention for anyone without a hard-on for him or England. There are some similarities to Newcastle fans who think Shearer is the best striker ever to grace the game (there are many of those).

What a lot of bollocks, seriously this is the kind of post that make me chuckle and take a back seat on here now, I still lurk. Your saying on one hand his goal scoring isn’t important, then saying it’s only Spurs fans that see his ability? Make up you mind, according to ypur type he needs to move to become better, but when he scores more than other strikers have we are simply pointing to stats? Even you need to see your salty bullshit a mile away. Would Kane score more in an elite team, like City, Real, City or Barca yes or no? Stop making out as if it’s only Spurs fans that see how good Kane is, because honestly your embarrassing yourself.

 

[SquishyMcSquish]

Yes some do, and it's usually Spurs fans. They point to his goal tally as evidence of him being a great player in the modern game. Kane wouldn't even come into contention for anyone without a hard-on for him or England. There are some similarities to Newcastle fans who think Shearer is the best striker ever to grace the game (there are many of those).

I think Kane when he retires will be remembered on the same level as someone like Zlatan, yes.

Is he as talented? No, but he's worked incredibly hard to develop his game and will smash records.

I don't think that's a controversial opinion at all, and certainly not only held by Spurs fans. People don't have to agree but acting like its a laughable or embarrassing opinion is silly.

Shearer was also absolutely one of the greatest strikers in PL history, his record proves that. You might not be a fan of his style of play, but you can't argue with how productive he was.

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

I don't think anyone can reasonably argue that Kane is not a great player. He is. But to be remembered as one of the all time great strikers, you have to win things, and unless Kane goes to an elite club and can actually deal with their expectations, he will not be part of that conversation (people often underestimate what expectations can do to players). Similar to how we don't talk about Gascoigne in this regard, irrespective of the ability he had.

Also, Rooney often played second fiddle to other great players like RvN, Ronaldo, Tevez, Berbatov, RvP etc. The one season he was consistently played through the middle (09/10), he was phenomenal. That's what happens at elite teams - everything does not go through you anymore and you are not the focal point of the team, everything is not set up for you to score goals. Bale has discovered that since moving to Madrid, hasn't he? Kane will discover the same if he ever leaves Spurs.

Rooney was a great player and used as a cart horse by Ferguson quite a bit, a lot of United fans slate him far to much IMO.

 

[SquishyMcSquish]

I don't think anyone can reasonably argue that Kane is not a great player. He is. But to be remembered as one of the all time great strikers, you have to win things, and unless Kane goes to an elite club and can actually deal with their expectations, he will not be part of that conversation (people often underestimate what expectations can do to players). Similar to how we don't talk about Gascoigne in this regard, irrespective of the ability he had.

Also, Rooney often played second fiddle to other great players like RvN, Ronaldo, Tevez, Berbatov, RvP etc. The one season he was consistently played through the middle (09/10), he was phenomenal. That's what happens at elite teams - everything does not go through you anymore and you are not the focal point of the team, everything is not set up for you to score goals. Bale has discovered that since moving to Madrid, hasn't he? Kane will discover the same if he ever leaves Spurs.

Bale tore shit up statistically at Real Madrid, his injury issues have been the biggest problem for him. He really didn't/hasn't struggled for goals at Real, even whilst mostly playing alongside a GOAT contender who hogged every set piece going.

I think Kane would pick his career destination wisely, you don't sign a striker like him if you're not planning on building a team around him. He would be the star man at most clubs in the world.

Also, the trade off would be that at an elite side playing alongside more elite players, you'll likely get more chances created for you. I think Kane would be ripping it up for someone like City for example, he would be in heaven with their chance creation.

 

[breakout67]

What a lot of bollocks, seriously this is the kind of post that make me chuckle and take a back seat on here now, I still lurk. Your saying on one hand his goal scoring isn’t important, then saying it’s only Spurs fans that see his ability? Make up you mind, according to ypur type he needs to move to become better, but when he scores more than other strikers have we are simply pointing to stats? Even you need to see your salty bullshit a mile away. Would Kane score more in an elite team, like City, Real, City or Barca yes or no? Stop making out as if it’s only Spurs fans that see how good Kane is, because honestly your embarrassing yourself.

You are the one embarrassing yourself. Kane is one of the best strikers in the world, he still isn't fit to lace the boots of the great strikers of the game. All goals are not created equal and the great strikers score iconic goals, whether it be in the way the score or the situation.

I would take Drogba over Kane in a heartbeat, and I don't even rate Drogba all that highly. His cup final record was freakish and that counts for much more than run of the mill games.

The simple reality is that because of the club Kane plays for, he's not been able to show himself off on the biggest stage. If Spurs win the CL this season with Kane being instrumental then he would go up massively in my estimation. He would have a much stronger claim. Cup finals and title deciding games make a strikers name. If Kane leads England to a Euro or World cup then he would also go massively up in my opinion. Kane isn't going to turn into a flair striker any time soon (that's not his game to do tricks and flicks) so the only thing left to make him great is big goals.

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

You are the one embarrassing yourself. Kane is one of the best strikers in the world, he still isn't fit to lace the boots of the great strikers of the game. All goals are not created equal and the great strikers score iconic goals, whether it be in the way the score or the situation.

I would take Drogba over Kane in a heartbeat, and I don't even rate Drogba all that highly. His cup final record was freakish and that counts for much more than run of the mill games.

The simple reality is that because of the club Kane plays for, he's not been able to show himself off on the biggest stage. If Spurs win the CL this season with Kane being instrumental then he would go up massively in my estimation. He would have a much stronger claim. Cup finals and title deciding games make a strikers name. If Kane leads England to a Euro or World cup then he would also go massively up in my opinion. Kane isn't going to turn into a flair striker any time soon (that's not his game to do tricks and flicks) so the only thing left to make him great is big goals.

Dude if Spurs won’t the CL this season it would turn football upside down, you have no idea what you talking about, you are the definition of an elitist and what is funny you don’t even see it. Your comparing Drogba in a paid and bought team to Tottenham, get a fecking grip. When in France it could be argued that Mido was an equal talent to him.

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

Oh and you seem obsessed with flair, why?

 

[breakout67]

Dude if Spurs won’t the CL this season it would turn football upside down, you have no idea what you talking about, you are the definition of an elitist and what is funny you don’t even see it. Your comparing Drogba in a paid and bought team to Tottenham, get a fecking grip. When in France it could be argued that Mido was an equal talent to him.

I am elitist for only considering players great if they perform in the toughest situations and highest stakes??? That is what the vast majority of people do when looking at great players. I also find it strange to accuse me of being obsessed with flair when I said in the post you quoted that I prefer Drogba over Kane. Drogba doesn't have an ounce of flair in his body. The Mido comment is irrelevant, Drogba has one of the best cup final records for a striker ever, trying to downplay it because he played for a good team is ludicrous.

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

I am elitist for only considering players great if they perform in the toughest situations and highest stakes??? That is what the vast majority of people do when looking at great players. I also find it strange to accuse me of being obsessed with flair when I said in the post you quoted that I prefer Drogba over Kane. Drogba doesn't have an ounce of flair in his body. The Mido comment is irrelevant, Drogba has one of the best cup final records for a striker ever, trying to downplay it because he played for a good team is ludicrous.

I’m not playing it down, I’m simply saying the club you play for directly dictates the peak you can reach. I’m not elitist because I think it’s too narrow minded, you can’t dismiss ability on the club they played for. Shearer, Le Tissier, Gazza, Hoddle, were great players without hav8ng to play for a great team. It’s just narrow minded and tbh sad to think like that. You seem to have no romance for the game, if that’s how you judge players fair enough but don’t expect everyone to feel the same.

 

[breakout67]

I’m not playing it down, I’m simply saying the club you play for directly dictates the peak you can reach. I’m not elitist because I think it’s too narrow minded, you can’t dismiss ability on the club they played for. Shearer, Le Tissier, Gazza, Hoddle, were great players without hav8ng to play for a great team. It’s just narrow minded and tbh sad to think like that. You seem to have no romance for the game, if that’s how you judge players fair enough but don’t expect everyone to feel the same.

A very strange list of players to reference. Le Tissier, Gazza and Hoddle were lauded due to the aesthetics of their game (dare I say it, flair?). A player like Kane doesn't make you appreciate the beauty of the game (unless you are a Spurs fan), so the major factor in his greatness would be big goals.

I am doing exactly the opposite of what you claim, i am appealing to the romance of the game. A large part of what makes R9 great is the romanticism of the world cup, the same can be said for Zidane. Goals on big occasions hold more weight because of the memories they create.

 

[andyox]

You are the one embarrassing yourself. Kane is one of the best strikers in the world, he still isn't fit to lace the boots of the great strikers of the game. All goals are not created equal and the great strikers score iconic goals, whether it be in the way the score or the situation.

I would take Drogba over Kane in a heartbeat, and I don't even rate Drogba all that highly. His cup final record was freakish and that counts for much more than run of the mill games.

The simple reality is that because of the club Kane plays for, he's not been able to show himself off on the biggest stage. If Spurs win the CL this season with Kane being instrumental then he would go up massively in my estimation. He would have a much stronger claim. Cup finals and title deciding games make a strikers name. If Kane leads England to a Euro or World cup then he would also go massively up in my opinion. Kane isn't going to turn into a flair striker any time soon (that's not his game to do tricks and flicks) so the only thing left to make him great is big goals.

I feel like in these topics there's always something else that a player has to do, and when he does that, another arbitrary obstacle is presented. For Aguero, he hasn't done it at international stage, or he didn't do it at a "historic" club. Same for Kane, it's not enough for him to regularly smash 25+ goals a season regularly, apparently. Their goals per game records vis-a-vis any other striker you wish to name clearly put them in the elite bracket.

We can all cherry pick random obstacles for players. You mention Drogba. Yes, he scored important cup final goals, but his goals per game ratio overall is fairly average, for example, and nowhere near either Kane or Aguero. Does that mean he's not a great player? Of course not. We can all have a preference for certain strikers, but it doesn't mean we have to reduce the other strikers' ability, surely?

And obviously Kane still has a sizeable amount of his career left to score some "iconic" goals.

 

[Wumminator]

Kane is clearly one of the best players in the world atm and if he continues will be remembered in a similar way to Zlatan. He could retire the top scorer in the Prem of all time!

 

[breakout67]

I feel like in these topics there's always something else that a player has to do, and when he does that, another arbitrary obstacle is presented. For Aguero, he hasn't done it at international stage, or he didn't do it at a "historic" club. Same for Kane, it's not enough for him to regularly smash 25+ goals a season regularly, apparently. Their goals per game records vis-a-vis any other striker you wish to name clearly put them in the elite bracket.

We can all cherry pick random obstacles for players. You mention Drogba. Yes, he scored important cup final goals, but his goals per game ratio overall is fairly average, for example, and nowhere near either Kane or Aguero. Does that mean he's not a great player? Of course not. We can all have a preference for certain strikers, but it doesn't mean we have to reduce the other strikers' ability, surely?

And obviously Kane still has a sizeable amount of his career left to score some "iconic" goals.

Aguero has scored one of the most iconic goals in PL history. It's quite standard to measure greatness by the trophies a player has been influential in winning. One of the reasons why Maradona is considered so great is because he had the the habit of carrying teams to big trophies.

I have said countless times that he is world class. But that doesn't automatically put you into an esteemed position in history. Lewandowski might score 40+ goals for the foruth season in a row, but I would never consider him one of the great strikers throughout history.

 

[BlueHaze]

To me he is world class. I would fecking love to have him here and it's sad that it will never happen. Spurs are lucky to have him.

 

[SquishyMcSquish]

A very strange list of players to reference. Le Tissier, Gazza and Hoddle were lauded due to the aesthetics of their game (dare I say it, flair?). A player like Kane doesn't make you appreciate the beauty of the game (unless you are a Spurs fan), so the major factor in his greatness would be big goals.

I am doing exactly the opposite of what you claim, i am appealing to the romance of the game. A large part of what makes R9 great is the romanticism of the world cup, the same can be said for Zidane. Goals on big occasions hold more weight because of the memories they create.

The major factor in a strikers greatness is his ability to score goals consistently. That's a strikers job. Kane has scored against every single team he's faced in the Premier League.


He's scored goals to keep us in the CL and against European giants like Juventus and Barcelona. He's stepped up and scored in World Cup quarter finals. He has scored big goals (his record in big derby games is sensational) but he simply doesn't play for a side who consistently get to the latter stages of competitions.

Drogba scored big goals, but his record overall was actually really mediocre. You can't just ignore 90% of games a player performs in because it suits your argument.

He will finish his career as a top scorer for club and country, maybe even the best in his domestic leagues history. You can play that down all you like because he doesn't have flair, but he delivers goals at every level he performs at.

That's greatness. Consistency at every level, doing his job season in, season out, and every year improving his all round game to the point now where there isn't a more well rounded forward in the whole league. You love flair, you think the odd magical goal makes a player great, but Kane is a striker, his job? Ball in the back of the net. He does it better than plenty of other players you consider well above him.

You're basically punishing Kane for remaining loyal to a non-elite club, when it's pretty clear that if he did play for one of the top sides he would both be breaking individual records and trophy laden.

The trophies will come anyway, I have little doubt of that. If not with us then he will make a move, he's too good not to. By the time he retires the mans record will be up there with some of the best strikers of all time (barring major injuries) and people will remember that.

 

[Random Task]

A very strange list of players to reference. Le Tissier, Gazza and Hoddle were lauded due to the aesthetics of their game (dare I say it, flair?). A player like Kane doesn't make you appreciate the beauty of the game (unless you are a Spurs fan), so the major factor in his greatness would be big goals.

I am doing exactly the opposite of what you claim, i am appealing to the romance of the game. A large part of what makes R9 great is the romanticism of the world cup, the same can be said for Zidane. Goals on big occasions hold more weight because of the memories they create.

Alan Shearer is considered one of England's greatest strikers for his goal scoring feats alone. Given that Harry Kane is not only on course to replicate those feats but possibly even surpass them, why shouldn't he be compared to the greats of the game?

There isn't a more prolific goal scorer in Europe right now.

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

A very strange list of players to reference. Le Tissier, Gazza and Hoddle were lauded due to the aesthetics of their game (dare I say it, flair?). A player like Kane doesn't make you appreciate the beauty of the game (unless you are a Spurs fan), so the major factor in his greatness would be big goals.

I am doing exactly the opposite of what you claim, i am appealing to the romance of the game. A large part of what makes R9 great is the romanticism of the world cup, the same can be said for Zidane. Goals on big occasions hold more weight because of the memories they create.

Your shifting more goal posts than a 7yo. What makes R9 great has nothing to do with the World Cup, it’s his shear natural ability, if anything his biggest disappoint was his last World Cup for what ever reason, so that’s a very odd comment. ZZ was more to to with his work rate as for the early start of his career he wasn’t rated that high, he was awkward and totally unconventional.

Kane doesn’t make you appreciate the beauty of the game? I suggest you don’t know what your looking at, I mean I see strong similarities with Kane and Cantona, but I’m sure you wouldn’t agree at all.