Imagine if he could take that penalty every single time
He'd never miss
He'd never miss
Harry Kane MBE | Performances
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I don't see it. He kind of reacts to others movement but he's not as crisp so he finds himself out of position when the balls played across or when a teammate tries to play a slide rule pass.
Threre was a point today that he found himself in nowhere land inside left in midfield and played an overhit through ball to Sterling.
Southgate can't be coaching that, if he's setting out to deprive Kane of scoring opportunities then somethings wrong.
It reminds me of Lukaku during our 4-0 period when Martial, Rashford and Pogba were on fire and Lukaku was kind of there.
He would score but he was on a lower performance level
It crazy because, despite him scoring five goals, his all round play is normally better, but today just goes to show when things are going for you, they go for you.
Phenomenal player, and as I've said before, he will be pivotal if England are going to do big things in this tournament.
Phenomenal player, and as I've said before, he will be pivotal if England are going to do big things in this tournament.
the penalties were class. many players cannot handle the pressure of taking pens hence why its a skill only a few can cope with regularly. look at Messi. Ronaldo's hatrick vs Spain was similar
@cyberman is right. He can still go up another level in open play.
However having someone with that knack of always getting goals is handy.
However having someone with that knack of always getting goals is handy.
I see what you’re saying totally. Can’t knock the goals, that’s what he’s in the team to do and his knack of being in the right place at right time as he was v Tunisia is not to be taken for granted. It’s freakish. But open play he’s not been great and not really been since his ankle injury. Again, though, he finished the season with loads of goals. Imagine how many he’d have if he was fully fit? To back up your point, I guess, nothing springs to mind in terms of anything he’s done in open play in the tournament yet whereas you think of Lingard, Sterling, Alli, Loftus-Cheek there have been little moments. Despite being top scorer he’s not impressed more than Ronaldo or Lukaku. At same time though, and I stress, to me that just underlines how good he is because he’s got five goals in 150 minutes. A good position to be in to pick holes in the performances of a striker with his return so far.
I have no idea how he scored 40+ goals last season and scored every time he’s captained the side, when he has such deficiencies in his game.
This is the whole problem when it comes to England, people find fault in a 6-1 win and our striker has scored 5 goals in 2 games. Just imagine if we played badly.
Did I post that in the Harry Kane thread? That was for Lingard, guess I posted it in the wrong thread. Kane is most definitely not a squad player for either England or United. Apologies.
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I don't know whether it is Kane taking it upon himself because he is Captain, or whether it's by design, but Kane is playing a different role for England than he does for Spurs. At Spurs he tends to lead the line and when he does drop deeper to spread the play, he gets forward again. He is playing a much more selfless role for England and dragging defenders out of position for midfield runners to run into. You can see quite clearly how deep Kane often is when Trippier or Young or wide with the ball. At Spurs he'd be attacking the penalty spot.
He's just a one world cup wonder.
Can’t agree more he’s playing more as a CF than an out and out striker. Another thing to point out is in both matches so far Kane has been marked by 2 players, against Tunisia he was assaulted twice with nothing coming. Have to say also Lingard has been brilliant so far.
Magnificent penalties under immense pressure, but overall that will go down as the most fortunate hat-trick he'll ever get.
Scored it without even getting out of 1st gear.
Scored it without even getting out of 1st gear.
Those penalties though. 10/10.
Has he actually had a shot in open play yet?
Great that he's getting goals, it must be a real boost for the whole team, and as Shearer said when you score goals off your heel you know things are going your way.
That said we still need to see more from him in general play. Belgium will be the first real teat and at the moment it looks like the pace of our forwards is bypassing him a little.
Great that he's getting goals, it must be a real boost for the whole team, and as Shearer said when you score goals off your heel you know things are going your way.
That said we still need to see more from him in general play. Belgium will be the first real teat and at the moment it looks like the pace of our forwards is bypassing him a little.
He's saving them for the knock out games!
As long as he keeps scoring whilst not playing at his best against better teams as well, I do not care if he's overall game isn't all that.
Didn't think he was particularly impressive against Panama, great penalties, but didn't see much else from him.
Very fortunate hat-trick - there's so many penalties in this World Cup, Rom must be wishing he was on them too!
Very fortunate hat-trick - there's so many penalties in this World Cup, Rom must be wishing he was on them too!
You may be right, I mean, Tunisia, Panama. It's hardly red carpet material now, is it?
Immense pressure?
Am I the only one that has the feeling that he will continue to bag goals until we get to a penalty shootout in the knockout stages only for him to rattle the crossbar?
On a serious not, he is probably the best finisher in world football right now, such a clean striker of the ball and does not seemed fazed by any of the pressure being put on him.
As long as we continue to create chances for him and some of the other players like Lingard and the defenders from set-pieces contribute towards a few goals (Alli, Sterling, Rashford etc need to score a few too), then I see England going far. Just a bit worried about our defence though...
On a serious not, he is probably the best finisher in world football right now, such a clean striker of the ball and does not seemed fazed by any of the pressure being put on him.
As long as we continue to create chances for him and some of the other players like Lingard and the defenders from set-pieces contribute towards a few goals (Alli, Sterling, Rashford etc need to score a few too), then I see England going far. Just a bit worried about our defence though...
Am I the only one that has the feeling that he will continue to bag goals until we get to a penalty shootout in the knockout stages only for him to rattle the crossbar?
On a serious not, he is probably the best finisher in world football right now, such a clean striker of the ball and does not seemed fazed by any of the pressure being put on him.
As long as we continue to create chances for him and some of the other players like Lingard and the defenders from set-pieces contribute towards a few goals (Alli, Sterling, Rashford etc need to score a few too), then I see England going far. Just a bit worried about our defence though...
Ronaldo is better, besides, Kane has played two pub teams. Let’s wait a little bit until he has played Belgium, Germany, Brazil et al
He is a man on a mission, so refreshing to see a killer in front of goal and a winner wearing the armband for England, his mentality seems spot on. He needs to keep up that quest for the golden boot in the Belgium game.
I do find it hilarious that he still hasn’t won anything though.
Am I the only one that has the feeling that he will continue to bag goals until we get to a penalty shootout in the knockout stages only for him to rattle the crossbar?
On a serious not, he is probably the best finisher in world football right now, such a clean striker of the ball and does not seemed fazed by any of the pressure being put on him.
As long as we continue to create chances for him and some of the other players like Lingard and the defenders from set-pieces contribute towards a few goals (Alli, Sterling, Rashford etc need to score a few too), then I see England going far. Just a bit worried about our defence though...
His quantity of goals is brilliant, but there’s loads of statistical evidence floating around showing that he’s not the most clinical.
I’ll get shot down for highlighting it, but Rom has a better conversion rate.
He still looks like he hasn't fully recovered from his injury at the end of the season. His goalscoring instincts are clearly still intact, but physically he's just not been quite as sharp across the pitch since his return.
Let's not get too carried away, 2 of his goals in the tournament are from penalties, one he knew nothing about as it clipped his heel, one was a good header in the last minute (he couldn't miss as he was left unmarked at the far post) so he's hardly lighting it up. I'd be kind of embarrassed about that kind of hat-trick tbh, certainly wouldn't be making a big deal of it with the match ball etc.
I know it's not his fault as someone needs to be credited with his third goal but jeez...did he know anything about it?
I know it's not his fault as someone needs to be credited with his third goal but jeez...did he know anything about it?
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Top player but he makes Rooney seem erudite and bright. I wish he had more ambition and angled for a move to a bigger club.
If FIFA changed Pogba's goal are they going to do the same with Kane's?
Apparently not.
I’ve seen different stats from the season gone by that indicate Rom is more clinical. I guess it depends on the sample size of games you are looking at.
I’m not particularly interested in comparing WBA and Everton Lukaku with Kane, because I don’t think that’s a level playing field. Lukaku clearly evolved during the second half of last season in particular and I think he’s capable of going toe to toe with Kane moving forward.
If we do look at your stats though, it pretty much bears out what I have been saying - Kane has more shots, due to a mixture of him being more single minded and receiving more consistent service.
Kane now has 89 goals and 12 assists in his last 91 matches for club and country. That's just absurd.
That is brilliant. It’s amazing how the barometer has now become a one in one rate. Out of interest, do you have equivalent stats for Lukaku? Interested to see how far off the standard he is.
Think he had an average game. It was Panama and I expected him to make more clear cut chances. But had a great lucky day at the office with Panama conceding stupid penalties. The penalties still had to be scored though and kudos to Kane for not giving the keeper any chance. And lucky deflection on the last goal.
Kane would need to be more effective against Belgium and be ready to take his half chances. Lukaku is in red hot form and will be a handful for English defenders.
Kane would need to be more effective against Belgium and be ready to take his half chances. Lukaku is in red hot form and will be a handful for English defenders.
Pretty much this. Kane hasn't reached the level so far in the tournament that he did for Spurs in 17/18. He looks a bit slow in terms of reaction and anticipation, and a bit less stable in his passing. I think if Kane gets going England can go far.
Thats is fair and is also an indication of just how fantastic Kane is that we all know he can perform better than he currently is despite scoring 5 in 2.
The better Kane gets, the bigger the excuses get for why he isnt "that good." It's fecking weird. "He's just a one season wonder" turned to "see if he can remain at that high standard" which then turned into "see if he can do it in the Champions League" which then turned into "see if he can do it in the World Cup" which evolves into "he's only played shit teams." It's amusing. He's an incredible player.
As someone who supports England as much as United I'm glad I don't have to engage in such futile nonsense.
Don't get me wrong though. I'll be in nonsensical denial about the quality of Liverpool's next foreign signing.
I do find the chance creation stat of both players rather interesting. Kane is widely considered to be the more influential of the two outside the box, yet the stats above show that lukaku is ahead of his rival in that department by a significantly large margin (220 - 128 in favour of Lukaku) which pretty much blows the whole 'Kane is more creative than Lukaku' argument right out of the water.
Also, I agree that Lukaku improved his game over the course of last season. His crossing alone has come on leaps and bounds, not to mention his vastly improved touch in and around the box. He is still a relatively young footballer with a good attitude and a willingness to progress his all-around game. I think we will see an even better Lukaku next season.