Would leeway extend to 3 seasons out of 4?
All those teams buy a plethora of players (especially AMs) that they appear to have cover in. This is nothing new.Because they have adequate personnel in his position? The 3 teams who can afford him in this league, Chelsea City Utd, which one must do with him as no.10 or BoB midfielder at the extortionate price Levy will demand?
Kane has done nothing of note to warrant the fee his signature would require. There are superior players to him at each of the clubs that have the funds to purchase him and until he does something for his NT, or in the CL, he's going to remain a player clubs keep tabs on but don't move for.Agreed, and not just the price but the next to zero chance of getting him anyway.
Kane has done nothing of note to warrant the fee his signature would require. There are superior players to him at each of the clubs that have the funds to purchase him and until he does something for his NT, or in the CL, he's going to remain a player clubs keep tabs on but don't move for.
If Kane makes an international name for himself, he'll be getting tapped up left, right and centre and that's when the tests of loyalty become relevant.
The PL isn't a good enough league to be a single barometer and standard measure for that kind of money, so Kane won't be getting bothered for it alone unless he takes it up to a Henry/Suarez level of lighting up the league.
Would leeway extend to 3 seasons out of 4?
Well that's moving the goalposts a bit now isn't it?
One has suggested Alderweireld will be off. We're sitting in 2nd and look very good currently, why make a prediction like that if CL was important?
I think it's a bit different for man utd tbh.
They've built up such a financial base and prestige that they can get away with quite a few years out of the cl without it affecting them too much imo.
If you want to agitate for a move have fun sitting in the stands for 3 or 4 years because that's where your contract is. You can't really agitate the other players either because they wouldn't be happy you want to go to a rival (one of the bonuses of having both an English and local spine) either AND they're fully aware it's not club policy to sell to rivals.
Of course but fail this year and again next and it won't be so different.
Anyway all if, buts and maybes.
A fee north of £75m; dire performance in the Euros; nothing of note in the CL. There's far more risk to a current buyer than there should be when talking about that kind of money.37 goals in his last 45 PL appearances isn't worthy of note, fair enough.
A fee north of £75m; dire performance in the Euros; nothing of note in the CL. There's far more risk to a current buyer than there should be when talking about that kind of money.
The PL alone is not going to have him on the top of the pile for clubs who can afford him unless he performs at a level he's yet to show - the level of a prime <insert any striker who has torn up the league here>.
For equivalent money to the elite strikers in the game, he has to have equivalent level of performance across at least 2 from 3 (league, international and CL) like the rest do, and he doesn't have that.
A fee north of £75m; dire performance in the Euros; nothing of note in the CL. There's far more risk to a current buyer than there should be when talking about that kind of money.
The PL alone is not going to have him on the top of the pile for clubs who can afford him unless he performs at a level he's yet to show - the level of a prime <insert any striker who has torn up the league here>.
For equivalent money to the elite strikers in the game, he has to have equivalent level of performance across at least 2 from 3 (league, international and CL) like the rest do, and he doesn't have that.
You seem to not know what we don't know which seems perfectly logical.
One thing I can assure you of is that not many people born in and around London (like Kane was) aspire to live in and around Manchester. In that respect cities are a bit like football clubs, some are aspirational and attract the cleverest, most talented and wealthiest people from all walks of life and from all over the world, and others don't, meaning Kane is probably very happy in London.
So in the past few offseasons no one has wanted Kane, Lloris, Alderweireld, Alli, etc.?
How about this offseason? Everyone is going to pass up on a young english player who scores 20+ every year? When CBs are in such high demand none of them would bid massive amounts for Alderweireld or Vertonghen? They'd rather pay the 50+ for a Stones or Otamendi? Really?
Yourselves, City, Chelsea, etc. would jump at the chance to sign Kane and given money is no object to those clubs then the answer seems to be clear.
I'm not saying they aspire to live in any location. A footballer growing up aspires to win as many trophies as possible and earn as much money as possible. Location is irrelevant as evidenced by pretty much every player choosing to earn the most they possible can whilst competing for trophies. Again I can give numerous examples of players choosing Man Utd or City over a London club. Give me one example of someone choosing a lower salary in London over a higher salary in Manchester.
At the amount each player would cost at this moment I don't believe any of those 4 players have attracted significant wage offers from elsewhere. Of course people would be all over them if they were being sold at £10m, but that would never be the case. In terms of Lloris/Alderweireld I can't see who would want to spend £40+m and £150k a week on either player, City aside. I agree City would have been better off, but they wanted a different profile of signing.
In terms of Alli/Kane who would want to spend £75-100m and £200k a week on players who are still in the infancy of their careers and who aren't proven at the highest level.
Spurs' biggest attribute is that they can demand massive transfer fees and on most occasions teams will look go better value abroad. Why sign Alli or Kane for £75-120m when you can get Griezmann, Pogba or Ibrahimovich?
Naturally that starts to change when these players become the best in the world, they look at similar players' salaries and their contracts have 2-3 years left rather than 5.
You're missing the point: top teams need players who can perform at the highest levels available to them. One or the other from NT or CL. Paying almost world-record amounts of money for a player who has done nothing at either of these levels has and will never happen unless that player is absolutely godly in his domestic league, which Kane isn't.I don't think clubs give much credence to international football, and it certainly bares little comparison in style to the PL.
Pogba was massively ordinary at the Euros, didn't seem to bother Utd.
In combination. Neither of those players proved themselves exceptional in a league. True top strikers prove themselves at every level available to them, which Kane hasn't done to this point in time. Elite clubs won't come knocking until he does.Why would club football teams care about a footballers performance for his international team? I don't recall David Healy or Miroslav Klose spending their entire careers at top football teams?
Kane has scored 2 goals in 3 CL appearance.....
You're missing the point: top teams need players who can perform at the highest levels available to them. One or the other from NT or CL. Paying almost world-record amounts of money for a player who has done nothing at either of these levels has and will never happen unless that player is absolutely godly in his domestic league, which Kane isn't.
Rooney was bought because of what he did at Euro 2004 in combination with what he had done in the league, same goes for Jamés Rodriguez and many others.
No club who can afford Kane is going to look at him for the money Levy will want until he does something at either of those levels or is, what I said in the league.
In combination. Neither of those players proved themselves exceptional in a league. True top strikers prove themselves at every level available to them, which Kane hasn't done to this point in time. Elite clubs won't come knocking until he does.
another overrated and overhyped English striker. Goes missing in the big games, has no pace. Needs runners in and around him to do all of the work. Good shot on him mind you. Needs to perform against the better teams where he literally does NOTHING the whole game and it seems like spurs are playing with 10 men because he just gets bossed.
Feel free to dispute it - name some players who have made moves for astronomical amounts of money who don't fit the template in modern times.Not much of that is true, but there you go.
Feel free to dispute it - name some players who have made moves for astronomical amounts of money who don't fit the template in modern times.
Uh, what? Surely you're joking.another overrated and overhyped English striker. Goes missing in the big games, has no pace. Needs runners in and around him to do all of the work. Good shot on him mind you. Needs to perform against the better teams where he literally does NOTHING the whole game and it seems like spurs are playing with 10 men because he just gets bossed.
You're being obtuse. Harry Kane would be sold for no less than £80m with Levy doing the deal. That's less than £10m off the world record, so we're talking about that kind of region in relative terms to the year/era.Astronomical amounts of money amounts to what, about 3 or 4 players.
You're being obtuse. Harry Kane would be sold for no less than £80m with Levy doing the deal. That's less than £10m off the world record, so we're talking about that kind of region in relative terms to the year/era.
Players like Martial, Renato and even Sterling are the going rate for prodigal youngsters, which is somewhat removed from Kane, who would be being bought to immediately lead the line for an elite club.
Seeing as we don't know salaries or who tried to buy who look for your own examples, London is an aspirational city and place to live, Manchester isn't.
You're giving one-liners whilst making sure not to answer what you've been asked.I think you've lost where you are trying to go, it's just turned to rambling.
You're giving one-liners whilst making sure not to answer what you've been asked.
As I said: there isn't an example. No great player has chosen to play in London over Manchester just because of the City. Players look at clubs, not cities. United (and City) are aspirational clubs who pay very well.
We have a good idea what players earn and we know the following:
Therefore I can't see any logical argument that suggests any player prefers London over Manchester. Have you got any evidence to prove or even loosely illustrate that London is the big attraction you suggest?
- The majority of the best players with the biggest reputations who have the choice of any city in England (and often anywhere else) have chosen to live and play in Manchester
- The best and most talented players coming to England have only chosen London clubs who pay at least equal salaries to the Manchester clubs (e.g. Hazard)
- The clubs in London who don't pay the best salaries haven't (in modern times) been able to attract the best players.
another overrated and overhyped English striker. Goes missing in the big games, has no pace. Needs runners in and around him to do all of the work. Good shot on him mind you. Needs to perform against the better teams where he literally does NOTHING the whole game and it seems like spurs are playing with 10 men because he just gets bossed.
We were talking about Kane, you then went off on a ramble.
Kane is a local lad, young family and living in or by one of the best cities in the world. I doubt, and it's just my opinion, but I doubt he'd be overly excited in moving to Manchester and for a young local lad like him I think London compared to Manchester is a factor.
No, you need to re-read what I said. I made it clear that whatever era you choose, name a player whose does not fit the 2/3 criteria who has come within so much of a world record fee.What do you want me to answer, how many players who have cost over £80m fit your mythical profile?
Out of a data set of 2 I honestly can't see the point.
No, you need to re-read what I said. I made it clear that whatever era you choose, name a player whose does not fit the 2/3 criteria who has come within so much of a world record fee.
The £80m wasn't mythical, as you call it, or do you think Levy would sell for less?
Right, just as I thought.Levy won't sell for that and Kane won't be going to Utd so it's all moot.
Right, just as I thought.
United wasn't mentioned in my post as a singular or specific club. Any elite club will not look at Kane until he does something at NT or CL level, and that's why the point is moot. We'll see what his loyalty is like when/if he hits that level and is being tapped up by the world's best clubs who will pay wages that can't be matched by Spurs.
Utd would love to have him, given half a sniff they'd be all over it.
Goals win games, Kane has 37 of them in his last 45 games, your made up criteria is a nonsense.
And yet you can't name a single player who refutes it? I see.
And by the time Zlatan is done, if Kane has still done nothing on the grander stages, he'll be overlooked for whoever has, by United and all the elite clubs looking to spend an astronomical amount on a striker.
Thank you.The guy really knows where the net is.
People that are bashing Tottenham and claiming a big club will sign him the day that he's 'good enough' or 'worth buying'... why?
Everyone almost universally agrees that young players should stay at a club that they're being developed for as long as possible. By that logic Kane is unequivocally in the right place.
It's also possible that Kane could continue to develop as Spurs win 2 of the next 3 league titles.
Spurs have;
- The best central defensive partnership in the league (both of whom are individually among the best in the league)
- The best pair of full backs in the league
- A top tier goalkeeper
- A top tier centre forward
- A top tier attacking midfielder
They also have a very good manager, unity, and reliable midfielders, both offensively and defensively.
Spurs should be looking to win the league this year and next. If they're challenging, Kane doesn't need to go anywhere unless Barca or Real come calling. No team in England can guarantee a better shot at domestic trophies than Spurs right now. That's not to say they'll win them, but for the next 1-3 years they should be as competitive as anyone.
