I think we will have to chew the fat on this, but how much is a gauranteed 25 + goal a season player worth? You can build a great defence, solid midfield but if there is no sure fire goals your gonna struggle. Again I want him to retire with us but Kane would be a beast in your side. £100m I’d buy Levy a curry to put the shine on the deal..
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I think we will have to chew the fat on this, but how much is a gauranteed 25 + goal a season player worth? You can build a great defence, solid midfield but if there is no sure fire goals your gonna struggle. Again I want him to retire with us but Kane would be a beast in your side. £100m I’d buy Levy a curry to put the shine on the deal..
Plus we need other signings and can’t afford to splash on 1 player. That means In another 2-3 years we’ll be looking at replacing Kane and Casemiro at roughly the same time. If we don’t get Kane then my other preferred player would be the ST from Atalanta… 55m on a 20 year old that will probably cost over 100m in a few years.
I don't think Levy would accept 100m from United. I wouldn't be upset if we did at this point offer 100m though, he's an excellent player.
PL rival I reckon it would be £150m+ even with a year left. Madrid maybe £125-130m. You've also got to look what Levy can use, his ties to the club and his age and what will likely be available next year for Kane. Levy maybe wants to gamble and hope to get Kane resign next summer.
If Levy would accept 100m and has no issue selling to United I'm sure the deal would be done, we could add 20-30m to the debt we have. Some reports are saying he's simply not for sale or even costs 200m.
And you can have a 25+ goalscorer and win nothing because your team isn't good enough. In fact it's a very likely scenario.
As I said I would like Kane but it depends entirely on whether the move prevents other moves.
He kicked up a fuss last time with City and Levy didn’t give a feck. He should have signed a shorter contract or insisted on a release clause.
You saying we should spend 200m on a player that’s turning 30? I know we’ve done some mad business over the years but that’s insane. We could probably get mbappe for thatAnd I agree with you, he will turn us into title contenders and I want us to sign him but at a reasonable price. I’ve always said he should of been bought years ago but didn’t he hang on from leaving because he believed that you might of won a trophy under mourinho and then he hoped for the same under conte because they’ve both won things at pretty much every club they’ve been at except for 1….
A reasonable price indeed, but what is "reasonable"? I don't have the answer, but when making a decision like this you have to think about the potential earnings of the club in the future based on the success the player is expected to bring the club on the pitch. With the value of winning major trophies being going up all the time, we may look at 100m as the price that would have to be paid to bring in Kane as peanuts.
Now of course, Kane alone can't bring us major trophies. We other needs to address and the cost of addressing those needs will be expensive. But we're either in for winning major trophies or we're only in for hanging around top four, scraping the occasional plucky cup for amusement. It could well be that it has to be the latter, in the event the owners simply don't see the revenue associated with winning major trophies warranting the cost that it would take to do so. For City, cost is no object whatsoever, but for most clubs cost is a serious consideration.
And if Spurs lose him for £0 next year who will be laughing then? Kane’s current value has to be reflective of his worth to Spurs for one year, which is nowhere close to £100m. Of course, Spurs will take £100m if they can get it but the reality is that, if the best offer they get is £75m, it is still the right decision to sell.
Respectfully, Spurs were well on the way to building a long term contender. Poch never got backed the summer after the CL final, and the rest is history. Levy has spectacularly fumbled the bag since then with putrid player recruitment and managerial appointments. You have to say he single handily tore down the club just as quickly as it was built up.
Spot on.
Plut he's a 30 years old player and not a Messi or Cristiano so it will be almost impossible for the buying club to amortise the fee if Levy asks too much for him.
Levy is like a gambler who is down big yet instead of walking away is thinking about selling his fancy watch for a chance to get back to even. I bet he can't get out of his head the possibility that if they keep Kane one more year, then maybe Postocoglou has a magic effect on the squad, and they either make CL again or win a cup, and then Harry signs a new contract and stays there for life, which vindicates Levy in the end and also allows him to keep monetizing that Kane commercial gravy train, etc etc etc.
If Real Madrid offer enough, he'll get over it but I think its probably a real factor in his thinking. There is an entire strand of behavioral economics about this kind of decision making.
The last time he had many years left on his contract and Levy could sit pretty. This time they will lose him for nothing if they don’t sell him.
That's exactly it. In my opinion the safer bet would be to try and cash out on as much of their high value guys now and take a few years to blood in a young team again. Exactly what happened after they sold Bale 10 years ago. I was just looking at the team who played in the champions league final in 2019. Only 3 of that starting 11 remain, Son, Kane, and Lloris. Son is in the worst form of his career, and is 30 so he's not getting any better. Lloris is 36 or 37 and is massively on the decline, and then Kane is approaching 30 also. If they could get 80 million for Kane as well as 30-50 for Son, they could turn that into a few good young players and the options are out there. But you just know Levy won't do it because they must feel like Kane is the last golden goose they will have.
Whatever happens we can not spend all summer chasing this deal. Especially when you have a 20 year old striker in Italy who is a massive fan of ours and will join in an instant going for halve the price.
Absolutely. I believe his brother is his agent, and if he's of a similar IQ to Harry then maybe it's no wonder.
Move on and get him for free next summer imo
Levy wont sell him to us. And if so, it will take the whole summer and we will get fleeced with the fee. Not worth it.
Surely we will not waste much time on this transfer. I can’t do another saga like the FDJ bollocks, so I hope Real put their money where their mouth is and Kane himself actually speaks out. Levy does not want to sell to us that much is clear.
It will be a blow not getting him but knowing us everything would be put on hold regarding finalising other deals as we won’t have the budget to buy other players before hand.
We may have improved on the pitch but I have zero confidence that we are anything but as equally inept off it.
It will be a blow not getting him but knowing us everything would be put on hold regarding finalising other deals as we won’t have the budget to buy other players before hand.
We may have improved on the pitch but I have zero confidence that we are anything but as equally inept off it.
Your second point is 100 percent worth it?
Levy didn’t give a feck because he had 3 years left on his contract and he doesn’t appear to be concerned about the long term damage it does to the club to renege on the type of gentleman’s agreement that they had with Kane.
I’m sure Kane is now well aware that he made a mistake signing a long term contract with no formal break option. It’s one of many reasons there is virtually no prospect of him renewing with Spurs. Now that there’s one year left, the power all lies with Kane. Levy is going to get increasingly desperate to find a a way to sell whilst saving some of his reputation.
To be fair I'm not sure breaking the "gentleman's agreement" (really...in football?!) did much long term damage. It hasn't stopped them signing Spursy players as far as I can see. It might make key players in the future keen to put in clauses but anyone of Kane's level and in that stage of their career should have been doing that anyway. So it was more of a Kane balls up.
Certainly no where near as much damage as losing Harry Kane at that point would have done anyway.
Didn't they turn down some massive sum like 150M from City that summer? Pep claimed they rejected 4 bids.
Losing him for that much would've been much better than losing him for nothing potentially next season. Not like they achieved feck all either with him since then
He’s not a hardball negotiator. He gets bent over routinely. He’s as bad as United for overpaying. They have spent frightening amounts on some very average players.
They could have bought Haaland. Decent chance they could have got him that summer in my opinion.
Maybe... probably. Hard to say. If they were languishing at the bottom of the table for the last few years because they didn't have Kane's goals then maybe it's not so cut and dry. That would have been quite the reputational blow to Spurs. In theory they had the opportunity to build upon respectable finishes that Kane ensured. Which they haven't. But they had the chance to.
My point was only in relation to the "damage" of breaking that gentleman's clause anyway. I don't really see it. Football is the wild west. Shit happens. Much worse shit than that. It won't stop the next player signing for Spurs if Spurs is the biggest club at the table offering great money and the opportunity to play in London. Players grab what they can at the time, very few are going to pontificate on Harry Kane's treatment years ago.
Exactly, the loss of 100 million euros can practically be covered by a 1 good season in the Champions League (60-70 million euros). Spurs should do everything they can to keep him. Look at Arsenal, how hard it is to get back into the top 4-5 of the Premier League when you fall out of that group. Not participating in the CL is very unattractive to young and ambitious footballers. It's hard to build a strong squad.
I think it's rare for a footballer to pay attention to such games. Where there is a lot of money, all tricks are allowed (City/PSG). Lewandowski was also in the final year of his contract and have a gentleman's agreement with BVB, and the club preferred to let him go for free in a year than sell him to Bayern. Did that discourage new signings? No, BVB sign some of the most talented young footballers in the world.
I do think it would be really bizarre if Kane decides to leave the premier league at this point.
The truth is Kane’s most realistic goal in the last 10 years has simply been an individual one of chasing Alan Shearer’s all-time record. At no point will Kane have been having realistic expectations of winning any major trophies at Spurs. With him being so close to that record, to then abandon the idea of getting it would be really strange. Especially considering it has been his main focus for so long to the point he has sacrificed the majority of his career at a club which doesn’t have realistic motivations for trophies.
At this point I honestly think the most likely option is Kane remaining at Spurs. I don’t see Levy folding.
I worry that we could end up waiting for him to become free next summer and having some kind of inclination to bring back Greenwood to help fill the void for a season along with Rashford.
The truth is Kane’s most realistic goal in the last 10 years has simply been an individual one of chasing Alan Shearer’s all-time record. At no point will Kane have been having realistic expectations of winning any major trophies at Spurs. With him being so close to that record, to then abandon the idea of getting it would be really strange. Especially considering it has been his main focus for so long to the point he has sacrificed the majority of his career at a club which doesn’t have realistic motivations for trophies.
At this point I honestly think the most likely option is Kane remaining at Spurs. I don’t see Levy folding.
I worry that we could end up waiting for him to become free next summer and having some kind of inclination to bring back Greenwood to help fill the void for a season along with Rashford.
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He'll be crazy not to go to Madrid. The PL record is not worth it.
I think at 100m, United will definitely try to buy Kane. Especially with the players like Maguire, Martial who can be used as part of fee. I think United are waiting on how to approach Levy or probably negotiating with Kane in the background. Best case for us would be Real agreeing a fee for Kane and we topping that by 10 m or by giving another play Spurs need.
I don't understand this people perception of 100m going to waste if we buy Kane, unless we are not buying a striker this season. If we have to buy a good striker, even for a teenager like Rasmus højlund, we have to pay excess of 50m. And further, there is no guarantee that new striker will hit the PL running from day 1 , it might take a mid-season or more in most cases.
Centre-forward is the most critical area which we need to fix this season. Unless, people have concern that Kane performances drop in an year or two, we should not worry about signing Kane. Also, signing Kane might help Rashford as well, it will not only allow Rashford play his natural position but also mentally he knows if this combination(Rashy/Kane) works for United most likely Southgate will follow the same for England as well.
Looks like agent Ramos is already asking him to sign Real, generally when ex-Real players go to press on a player, that player generally signs Real. So lets see if we even have a chance.
I agree. Give him contract for 3 years and try to sign mbappe in those 3 years. If that happens, it is excellent business from them
Not going to Madrid because he’d prefer to break the PL goalscoring record, rather then winning some trophies, would be the most Harry Kane thing ever.
This will be the litmus test to see if he has any ambition or if he will stay a perennial loser.
This will be the litmus test to see if he has any ambition or if he will stay a perennial loser.
They'll chew him up and spit him out insanely quickly. They're ruthless with club icons like Ronaldo (and Raul before that).
The charm offensive now will turn to the weaponizing the whole of the Spanish press against him the moment they find a long term striker. His level doesn't even have to drop -- if Mbappe / Haaland join and it ends up being Kane vs one of those two, Kane's getting kicked out even if he wins another CL for them.
I'm pretty sure Haaland will go to Spain in a couple of years when he's won the lot at City.
The charm offensive now will turn to the weaponizing the whole of the Spanish press against him the moment they find a long term striker. His level doesn't even have to drop -- if Mbappe / Haaland join and it ends up being Kane vs one of those two, Kane's getting kicked out even if he wins another CL for them.
I'm pretty sure Haaland will go to Spain in a couple of years when he's won the lot at City.
a) No one anywhere has quoted the price of £200m b) he's proven PL quality year after year in a team of dumbkoffs, and ran Halaand - eight years his junior and in possibly the best team in the world right now - close this season.You saying we should spend 200m on a player that’s turning 30? I know we’ve done some mad business over the years but that’s insane. We could probably get mbappe for that
People moaned when we signed Teddy Sheringham, who was older than Kane is now and wasn't even close in terms of goals. That didn't turn out to badly. Kane could easily have three season left in him. Plus older players bring other attributes such as knowledge and experience: check out Zlatan (although, admittedly, he was one of a kind)
I wonder where his 30 PL goals could have taken us last season...
He can do both at United under Ten Hag. Feck sake
I think Kane will play out his contract and go on a free next season
Just wonder if moving to Madrid could be a bit of a poisoned chalice for Kane. Apart from the whole question of whether his family would settle and whether he would personally enjoy moving to a different country at this stage of his career/life let's not forget he'd be replacing the current Ballon D'Or holder and absolute Madrid legend. Madridistas are not exactly known for their patience and even a pretty good first season from him is going to look pretty unremarkable compared to Benzema's best. I'd say it's high risk high reward type scenario, and I'm just not sure that Harry Kane is that type of character.
Moving to Madrid is much harder than people are making out.
1. PL record
2. Young kids / family / schooling etc
3. Just generally moving country isn't easy / is scary
3. Madrid is a great club but the fans are brutal. If you go there, at some point you'd getting abuse etc
If I was Kane, I genuinely think I'd want to go to Utd. We would love him here.
I do worry we will spend all summer chasing though. We should go in now with an offer of 70-75MIllion, see what Levy says and take it from there. Get the ball moving,
Personally, 100Mill would be my walk away point.
1. PL record
2. Young kids / family / schooling etc
3. Just generally moving country isn't easy / is scary
3. Madrid is a great club but the fans are brutal. If you go there, at some point you'd getting abuse etc
If I was Kane, I genuinely think I'd want to go to Utd. We would love him here.
I do worry we will spend all summer chasing though. We should go in now with an offer of 70-75MIllion, see what Levy says and take it from there. Get the ball moving,
Personally, 100Mill would be my walk away point.
Real Madrid have to replace a lot of players.
They're not this surefire bet to be challenging for major honors next season. They could easily have another down season.
They only have 2 attackers on the books next season if I recall correctly.
Modric needs to be phased out. Kroos too arguably. Carvajal as well. Mendy might have to be replaced if his poor form continues and there's constant rumors that Madrid want to replace him.
They're not this surefire bet to be challenging for major honors next season. They could easily have another down season.
They only have 2 attackers on the books next season if I recall correctly.
Modric needs to be phased out. Kroos too arguably. Carvajal as well. Mendy might have to be replaced if his poor form continues and there's constant rumors that Madrid want to replace him.
The idea that Kane wouldn't absolutely bang in goals for fun in Spain is a strange one to me. I don't really see the risk.
Although, Kane doesn't strike me as the type to move to Spain anyway. Regardless of the new child/house, premier league record etc, he could have moved to another club in England years ago and stuck with Spurs.
Although, Kane doesn't strike me as the type to move to Spain anyway. Regardless of the new child/house, premier league record etc, he could have moved to another club in England years ago and stuck with Spurs.