Harry Kane | Bayern Munich player

I think it's strange that people (particularly United fans) are suggesting that it is a "no brainer" for the English captain to go to the current version of Real (the ones who just got utterly humiliated by City) over us. Given that Madrid have only won two La Liga's in the last decade, are they really more of a guarantee of trophies than we are right now? - we are both CL outsiders right now and I would say that going from Weghorst to Kane should give us a bigger boost than them going from Benzema to Kane.

We're one good transfer window away from being serious contenders for the PL and CL. I'm surprised at the negativity.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
It mostly is. I probably sound glib, but I’ll freely admit that I was scared as Fcuk the first time over, and anxious the second time around.

But I 100% believe that I’d have had zero problems if I had £10m in the bank, earning £1.5m a month.
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You do sound glib. But also you don't seem very empathetic. Maybe when you moved abroad you felt like you didn't have that much to lose back home, or maybe you don't have super close familial bonds back here, and maybe your partner (if you have one) was also up for the challenge? Obvs I don't know any of those things, just saying that everyone has a different set of circumstances, and your position seems pretty extreme on this.
 
BerryBerryShrew said:
I think it's strange that people (particularly United fans) are suggesting that it is a "no brainer" for the English captain to go to the current version of Real (the ones who just got utterly humiliated by City) over us. Given that Madrid have only won two La Liga's in the last decade, are they really more of a guarantee of trophies than we are right now? - we are both CL outsiders right now and I would say that going from Weghorst to Kane should give us a bigger boost than them going from Benzema to Kane.

We're one good transfer window away from being serious contenders for the PL and CL. I'm surprised at the negativity.
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Great chance for a CL, though. Bale won 5 of them!
 
BerryBerryShrew said:
I think it's strange that people (particularly United fans) are suggesting that it is a "no brainer" for the English captain to go to the current version of Real (the ones who just got utterly humiliated by City) over us. Given that Madrid have only won two La Liga's in the last decade, are they really more of a guarantee of trophies than we are right now? - we are both CL outsiders right now and I would say that going from Weghorst to Kane should give us a bigger boost than them going from Benzema to Kane.

We're one good transfer window away from being serious contenders for the PL and CL. I'm surprised at the negativity.
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1) Madrid won La Liga three times in the last ten years.

2) Yes, they are massively more likely to win titles than we are, largely due to the two and occasionally three horse nature of their league.

That's reflected in the bookies odds, which as of right now gives us an implied probability of just over 8% of winning the PL next season, versus for example the 40%+ implied probability Madrid were given at the start of this season.

Over the course of say a four year contract, the odds of Kane winning more titles with us than Madrid are extremely small. And that's not factoring in the CL where, despite your claim that we'll both be outsiders, they will still inevitably be favoured ahead of us at least next season.
 
Sandikan said:
How on earth is a Spanish league title for Madrid, who many would argue are the biggest club in the world a "less meaningful" league title for bloody hell's sake :lol:
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Well, I would assume that for an English player playing in the Premier League for most of his career, winning a PL trophy would be more meaningful than winning a league trophy in a different league. It is not an objective comparison, but what I would assume Kane's subjective opinion would be.
 
Rusholme Ruffian said:
You do sound glib. But also you don't seem very empathetic. Maybe when you moved abroad you felt like you didn't have that much to lose back home, or maybe you don't have super close familial bonds back here, and maybe your partner (if you have one) was also up for the challenge? Obvs I don't know any of those things, just saying that everyone has a different set of circumstances, and your position seems pretty extreme on this.
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I’m hugely empathetic. I had lots to lose back home. Nobody wanted me to leave. Everyone told me it was a bad and selfish idea. I was very close to my family and I sacrificed that for a time. My partner wanted/needed to go. I jumped at the chance.

It took a full two years for my family and some friends to realise that I wasn’t them. I witnessed too many people criticise the decision at the same time I knew that they’d have loved and enjoyed doing the same.

Fast forward a decade and all those same people are spellbound by a multilingual kid that flies solo and orders meals for themselves and others, holds their space with conviction and still isn’t a dickhead.

Me leaving promoted growth, adaptation and acceptance in siblings, parents, cousins and friends. Several others have emigrated, people I never would have seen doing that.

Had you put £10m in my bank account, that could have been accomplished in a summer.

I don’t think my position is extreme. I think it’s fairly commonplace among people that have done the same. It only feels hard to think about. Having done it, it feels far easier than having slogged through 13 years of Tory.
 
Dyslexic Untied said:
Well, I would assume that for an English player playing in the Premier League for most of his career, winning a PL trophy would be more meaningful than winning a league trophy in a different league. It is not an objective comparison, but what I would assume Kane's subjective opinion would be.
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Why? I’m English and a United fan. I’d rather win La Liga than a PL title with Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool, City, anyone really.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
I’m hugely empathetic. I had lots to lose back home. Nobody wanted me to leave. Everyone told me it was a bad and selfish idea. I was very close to my family and I sacrificed that for a time. My partner wanted/needed to go. I jumped at the chance.

It took a full two years for my family and some friends to realise that I wasn’t them. I witnessed too many people criticise the decision at the same time I knew that they’d have loved and enjoyed doing the same.

Fast forward a decade and all those same people are spellbound by a multilingual kid that flies solo and orders meals for themselves and others, holds their space with conviction and still isn’t a dickhead.

Me leaving promoted growth, adaptation and acceptance in siblings, parents, cousins and friends. Several others have emigrated, people I never would have seen doing that.

Had you put £10m in my bank account, that could have been accomplished in a summer.

I don’t think my position is extreme. I think it’s fairly commonplace among people that have done the same. It only feels hard to think about. Having done it, it feels far easier than having slogged through 13 years of Tory.
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Good on you! I'm not seeking to argue that there can't be huge benefits to moving abroad, and I'm glad it has worked out for you. I disagree with branding those who don't want to do that as 'Little Englanders' though - I'm as pro-Europe as it's possible to be, but I personally wouldn't want to move abroad for various reasons - at least not whilst my kids are at secondary school and my parents are elderly. And I disagree on your view on it 'not being a big deal'. However, we agree on the Tories, so there is that! :D
 
Rusholme Ruffian said:
Good on you! I'm not seeking to argue that there can't be huge benefits to moving abroad, and I'm glad it has worked out for you. I disagree with branding those who don't want to do that as 'Little Englanders' though - I'm as pro-Europe as it's possible to be, but I personally wouldn't want to move abroad for various reasons - at least not whilst my kids are at secondary school and my parents are elderly. And I disagree on your view on it 'not being a big deal'. However, we agree on the Tories, so there is that! :D
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Oh mate, ‘Little Englander’ is as much a term of endearment as critique. I love this wee island. But for the first 28 years of my life I leaned into the ‘best place on earth’ narrative that I was kind of fed. ‘Why would I go anywhere else’ is valid if you’re happy.

But leaving… waaaay easier than I expected, and people that said it was stupid, just adjusted.

I’m back now. Unless we elect Tories again, I’ll be staying. But the leaving did give me a perspective that framed how I’ll think forever.

I wouldn’t casually tell two mates with settled kids and a combined income of £150k a year working as a teacher and doctor to just piss off to Australia or France. Their skills are transferable. It would be great. They’d probably thrive. But there are many challenges.

But for a multi millionaire… I think it’s all close to irrelevant.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
Oh mate, ‘Little Englander’ is as much a term of endearment as critique. I love this wee island. But for the first 28 years of my life I leaned into the ‘best place on earth’ narrative that I was kind of fed. ‘Why would I go anywhere else’ is valid if you’re happy.

But leaving… waaaay easier than I expected, and people that said it was stupid, just adjusted.

I’m back now. Unless we elect Tories again, I’ll be staying. But the leaving did give me a perspective that framed how I’ll think forever.

I wouldn’t casually tell two mates with settled kids and a combined income of £150k a year working as a teacher and doctor to just piss off to Australia or France. Their skills are transferable. It would be great. They’d probably thrive. But there are many challenges.

But for a multi millionaire… I think it’s all close to irrelevant.
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So basically if you have money, emigrating is a piece of piss is what you're actually saying
 
Olmer said:
Now losing Kane even for 100M is a bad business because it involves risk of losing status. And for 100M you can only gamble once or twice for a replacement. And it's a bad gamble because I believe it has less than 50% chance of suceeding, especially in this market that is deprived of top level strikers. Basically Spurs are fecked if they sell and fecked if they don't.
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People criticise Levy but don't even try to understand his thinking. He's ambitious and doesn't want Tottenham to sink into mediocrity. Then no amount of money is going to allow him to bring in top players to the club. You're right, both options are bad: sell Kane or keep :/ Oops, there's 1 good option, but it's unlikely. Don't sell Kane, buy 2-3 good players, finish in top 4 the league, get promoted to Champions League and Kane extends his contract. He doesn't have to make a 180 degree turn in his life (as he will have to do if he moves to Madrid), plays in the CL and struggles to break Shearer's record.

Bebestation said:
The most underrated thing about Kane is that he can play both as a False 9 & a traditional number 9.
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People tend to look at the raw numbers - how many goals or assists a player has. If you look at it more closely, Kane has a better efficiency than Haaland: ratio goals per 90 / xg per 90 (139% vs 126%) and expected assists 0.18/90 vs 0.17/90. The guy is really great, has 4-5 years at top level and if I were the owner of Spurs, United or Real, I would do everything to have him in my squad next season.
 
Red in STL said:
So basically if you have money, emigrating is a piece of piss is what you're actually saying
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Well… it’s not the totality of what I’m saying. But yes. That’s almost accepted is it not?

Every normal barrier is removed. It’s just a question of character if money is no object.
 
Being reported now that Real have pulled out of the deal for Havertz and are going all in on Kane

 
Oh well… we move on to the next one unless we suddenly high jack it.
 
Ringol said:
People criticise Levy but don't even try to understand his thinking. He's ambitious and doesn't want Tottenham to sink into mediocrity. Then no amount of money is going to allow him to bring in top players to the club. You're right, both options are bad: sell Kane or keep :/ Oops, there's 1 good option, but it's unlikely. Don't sell Kane, buy 2-3 good players, finish in top 4 the league, get promoted to Champions League and Kane extends his contract. He doesn't have to make a 180 degree turn in his life (as he will have to do if he moves to Madrid), plays in the CL and struggles to break Shearer's record.
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Levy wants to maximise a saleable business. He’s a very good businessman but a terrible football guy.

The last decade of Spurs saw on-field success provide financial stimulus for a new stadium. If that stadium can guarantee income as it currently does - NFL, Sold out Beyoncé weeks, and so on…

He won’t risk routine £150m transfer windows to strive for CL qualification. He’s an arsehole. But he’s smart. City, Newcastle, Chelsea, United, Liverpool… will always outspend Spurs. He won’t try to compete. Solid consolidated top 7 finishes, European exposure and a few Europa League or Conference runs will keep the club ticking over.

He’ll sell (ie ENIC will sell) a huge stake in the club when the time is right.

He doesn’t give a shit about winning anything.
 
I don't see Kane at Madrid, for some reason I think he'll sign a new deal at Spurs...
 
BerryBerryShrew said:
I think it's strange that people (particularly United fans) are suggesting that it is a "no brainer" for the English captain to go to the current version of Real (the ones who just got utterly humiliated by City) over us. Given that Madrid have only won two La Liga's in the last decade, are they really more of a guarantee of trophies than we are right now? - we are both CL outsiders right now and I would say that going from Weghorst to Kane should give us a bigger boost than them going from Benzema to Kane.

We're one good transfer window away from being serious contenders for the PL and CL. I'm surprised at the negativity.
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Umm I mean yes? Madrid got to the semi finals of the UCL and won it the year before. They have many of the best young players/prospects in the world.

I just don’t agree with this thought process that signing Kane puts us in serious contention for every competition. I don’t think he goes to Real but if his only intention was to win stuff then they are better bet than us right now and that’s not really an indictment on us.
 
the_cliff said:
I don't see Kane at Madrid, for some reason I think he'll sign a new deal at Spurs...
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If all the stuff about him preferring a move to a PL club so he can take Shearer's record is true, I'd say the most likely scenario is him leaving on a free next summer, followed by him signing a new Spurs deal as the second most likely option.
 
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
Umm I mean yes? Madrid got to the semi finals of the UCL and won it the year before. They have many of the best young players/prospects in the world.

I just don’t agree with this thought process that signing Kane puts us in serious contention for every competition. I don’t think he goes to Real but if his only intention was to win stuff then they are better bet than us right now and that’s not really an indictment on us.
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I didn't see it happening until that last tweet
 
He'd be daft to wait another season, and Spurs would be daft not to cash in.

They will be able to drive his price up with both us and Real in for him. They will look smalltime either way and this season has proven that Kane alone isn't enough to get Europe.

They've also just hired an absolute no-one as a manager. Kane has totally outgrown them.
 
He doesn't suit this new manager's football, Spurs will sell him to start their rebuild.
 
Fecker has never won a trophy. Signing for Real should be above some EPL record that will still be broken by another person.
 
Adisa said:
Fecker has never won a trophy. Signing for Real should be above some EPL record that will still be broken by another person.
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Yeah he is making the right choice,well we aren't one due to Levy wanting to screw us over
 
BerryBerryShrew said:
I think it's strange that people (particularly United fans) are suggesting that it is a "no brainer" for the English captain to go to the current version of Real (the ones who just got utterly humiliated by City) over us. Given that Madrid have only won two La Liga's in the last decade, are they really more of a guarantee of trophies than we are right now? - we are both CL outsiders right now and I would say that going from Weghorst to Kane should give us a bigger boost than them going from Benzema to Kane.

We're one good transfer window away from being serious contenders for the PL and CL. I'm surprised at the negativity.
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I think you are overly optimistic because:

- Real won the CL how many times in the last decade?
- Real won more leagues than we did
- They have much higher chances of winning stuff in the future than us
- We are not 1 transfer away from being contenders for the PL or CL even if that transfer is Mbappe
- We are about 5-6 world class players away from challenging for a major trophy
 
fergiewherearethou said:
I think you are overly optimistic because:

- Real won the CL how many times in the last decade?
- Real won more leagues than we did
- They have much higher chances of winning stuff in the future than us
- We are not 1 transfer away from being contenders for the PL or CL even if that transfer is Mbappe
- We are about 5-6 world class players away from challenging for a major trophy
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Yeah no brainer for him
 
Red in STL said:
So basically if you have money, emigrating is a piece of piss is what you're actually saying
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As someone who is going through the process of emigrating to New Zealand for my job, there was literally an option for getting a visa by bringing a certain amount of funds/investment into the country (unfornatly im not rich)

So from my experience that seems to be the case.
 
Nytram Shakes said:
As someone who is going through the process of emigrating to New Zealand for my job, there was literally an option for getting a visa by bringing a certain amount of funds/investment into the country (unfornatly im not rich)

So from my experience that seems to be the case.
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Yeah, I can see that money can cover off the logistical side, but not the emotional aspect.
 
I don't think Harry would be waffling on about kicking field goals if he wasn't very much open to moving abroad, to be fair. Hard to kick many field goals from London.

The main hope was that he majorly wanted to break PL records. Which he probably does, but likely not enough to turn down Real.
 
Everyone already panicking at losing Kane. If a Tier 1 journo reported he’s on his way to United everyone would be questioning it.

Let’s just wait and see what happens eh?
 
croadyman said:
Hate to say it but that's a tier 1 Madrid source so now I am gonna take it seriously
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Yeah, probably makes most sense for Kane, Spurs and Real. Real needs a good striker for 1-2 seasons before signing Haaland or Mbappe.
Kane has every chance of emulating Benz and become Real fans' favorite. Kane should be all over this.
 
Kane for a couple of years until Mbappe/Haaland arrive - makes sense for Real and a great opportunity for Harry - especially as Bellingham is going too - Im sure Jude can translate for Harry as I don’t see him speaking Spanish!
 
Madrid would be a good move for all parties involved. Real get a Benz replacement for a few years, Kanes gets to win some trophies and then back to the PL in 3-4 years. He’s only 47 goals behind Shearer, he can come back in 3 years and still break that record.
 
I'm not panicking personally because I never expected it to happen. I would hope that after last year's De Jong nonsense the club have realised they can't spend a whole transfer window living off fumes of hope. It's clear Levy would likely drag it out the whole window, so just move on and go after the next target on the list.

Madrid now would be good for Kane, he'll get security of a longer contract on, probably, much better wages. He'll get to win a trophy or two, then he'll get booed on the way out. Circle of Real life, innit?
 
I’m genuinely amazed that so many of you are saying that this is a done deal off 1 tweet
 
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