Harry Kane | Bayern Munich player
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we could both be statpicking but club level this season:
9 goal involvements and 2 blanks against the usual top 6 this season (arse, city, united, newcastle, liverpool).
Who is the best ever big game player for spurs?
Oh no. Not Spurs and Hojlund…
I can’t stop my hand from shaking. What next.. will they use that money to get Osihmen.
You’re right though I remember when Real Madrid strengthened them.. they spent so well.
I’m not going to read 100+ pages of this thread but I will say that imo Kane is wrong for us. He’ll be too expensive on initial and final outlay.
We should invest in a better scouting network.
We should invest in a better scouting network.
If you can’t name the alternatives the point is useless.
The bolded bit, just like the post I quoted, says that Kane holds his team back. In general.
My point relates only to the big games, first of all. Even within that - all I'm saying is that the defence of his teammates not being good enough can be easily flipped on its head by claiming Kane is not good enough for them because it's all subjective. What is not subjective is that he's historically underperformed in key games for both club and country. You can have results, or you can have excuses.
Firstly, a quick look at WhoScored shows that's not true.
Arsenal: 0 g/a home, 1 penalty away,
City: 1 goal home, 0 g/a away
United: 0 g/a away, 1 assist home
Newcastle: 1 goal home, 1 goal away
Liverpool: 1 goal home
4 goals from open play, 1 penalty, 1 assist. That's 6 involvements, not 9. 3 blanks, not 2.
Even if it were right, it'd be an outlier in a distribution whose mean makes my point.
(And to complete the picture for this season, he had 1 penalty and 1 assist in the CL group stages - neither were against AC Milan.)
Toney is a good player but Kane is very clearly levels above.
Not doubting the Quality of Kane at all just his suitability for United and How it would impact us going forward .
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You can use stats all you want but your point is still ridiculous. Anyone with eyes and a brain knows that Harry Kane has been one of the best number nines in the world for the past five seasons or so. His record in semi finals and finals isn't great, sure, but spurs aren't a team that one would expect to challenge for major honors. The notion that he holds them back is utterly laughable.
So which do you think is more likely, that he's holding spurs back, or spurs are holding him back?
You just don't like the player, which is fine, but you're making yourself look silly with these sorts of claims.
Did Kane press effectively under Pochetino?
Kane is the best and sure thing striker for us if we can get him. Posters argue that we shouldnt get him because of age, price, wage, bottling mentality, his profile of not staying in or around the box, but who else should we get that tick all the box.
Lets see, oshimen is the box type striker but he is only that and he might get us 20-30 goals but that would take away from Rashford goals too i think and i think we dont want to have the situationike Ronaldo when we have to focus on trying to get the ball to oshmen for him to score cause he dont offer much link up play. Hes probably is the most sure thing after Kane but still have questions. Also, he is not the profile we currently are playing.
Hoijlund is still too young and im sure if we get him we wont have any chance to win PL or CL the next 2-3 years.
Evan Ferguson is a non starter when we have Brighton to deal with. They want to keep him for atleast 2 years and this summer only maybe Caicedo and Mac Caslister are allowed to leave. Beside he is the same like Hoijlund.
Kolo Muani is probably after Oshimen and i like to get him if we cant get Kane becaue of how he play and the profile he offer is what we are looking for (paly like Martial, can hold the ball and turn, link up, pace, press, good size, have the gaols in him...ect. However, question remain that only this season he explode and he might not continue his form from Bundi to us like we have from Bundi purchase.
Really the reason that i want kane as first option and K Muani as second is how we are playing currently. We play with striker that can link up the play and make the play fluid and share the goals between the front 3/4. Its just that the fonts players are not on their peak yet except Rashford. Bruno use to have a lot of goals in him but not this season, Antony is trying to get the goals and hes getting in the position to be able to get those goals (let him develop, it took Robben a few years to get to where he was with his tradmark goals), Wout and Martial (we know...) so if we can get Kane innplace of Martial then we will add more goals to the team. Oshimen will more likely absorb the goals from the teams becaud thats what his style is. If we have the Midfield, wings and defense and play with the most possession like City then Oshimen is the answer.
Get Kane, we will at least have chance to compete or there about with the top teams, if going for the younger ones then fans cant complain if we wont win the PL in the next 2-3 years. Then come 3 years later, we will still have to replace Case, Varane, Eriksen, Shaw (maybe), Martinez (maybe), Bruno, Rashford (you never know), and maybe even the young striker that we bought this summer. We have to stop the squad building cycle if we have the chance too. You keep buiding then you will still keep building.
Lets see, oshimen is the box type striker but he is only that and he might get us 20-30 goals but that would take away from Rashford goals too i think and i think we dont want to have the situationike Ronaldo when we have to focus on trying to get the ball to oshmen for him to score cause he dont offer much link up play. Hes probably is the most sure thing after Kane but still have questions. Also, he is not the profile we currently are playing.
Hoijlund is still too young and im sure if we get him we wont have any chance to win PL or CL the next 2-3 years.
Evan Ferguson is a non starter when we have Brighton to deal with. They want to keep him for atleast 2 years and this summer only maybe Caicedo and Mac Caslister are allowed to leave. Beside he is the same like Hoijlund.
Kolo Muani is probably after Oshimen and i like to get him if we cant get Kane becaue of how he play and the profile he offer is what we are looking for (paly like Martial, can hold the ball and turn, link up, pace, press, good size, have the gaols in him...ect. However, question remain that only this season he explode and he might not continue his form from Bundi to us like we have from Bundi purchase.
Really the reason that i want kane as first option and K Muani as second is how we are playing currently. We play with striker that can link up the play and make the play fluid and share the goals between the front 3/4. Its just that the fonts players are not on their peak yet except Rashford. Bruno use to have a lot of goals in him but not this season, Antony is trying to get the goals and hes getting in the position to be able to get those goals (let him develop, it took Robben a few years to get to where he was with his tradmark goals), Wout and Martial (we know...) so if we can get Kane innplace of Martial then we will add more goals to the team. Oshimen will more likely absorb the goals from the teams becaud thats what his style is. If we have the Midfield, wings and defense and play with the most possession like City then Oshimen is the answer.
Get Kane, we will at least have chance to compete or there about with the top teams, if going for the younger ones then fans cant complain if we wont win the PL in the next 2-3 years. Then come 3 years later, we will still have to replace Case, Varane, Eriksen, Shaw (maybe), Martinez (maybe), Bruno, Rashford (you never know), and maybe even the young striker that we bought this summer. We have to stop the squad building cycle if we have the chance too. You keep buiding then you will still keep building.
We should always be investing in scouting, but let's not kid ourselves that there are top drawer strikers out there that haven't been discovered yet. It's a problem position in world football at the moment.
They can keep him if they’re looking for 100 mill feck that
Mate, Kane was triple captain for me.
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I have way too much free time on my hands tonight.
Kane doesnt have any ambition so I would avoid.
My stand on Harry Kane has changed significantly after a rethink and I think we should get him by any means necessary in order to compete for every trophy.
My issue has always been his price tag, but I've seen that players get criticized for the hefty amounts on them only when they fail to perform and the price of a player becomes insignificant ones the player blends in seamlessly.
I think he would be a great addition to the team and we should also get an understudy to complement him. It's time we say good bye to Anthony Martial.
My issue has always been his price tag, but I've seen that players get criticized for the hefty amounts on them only when they fail to perform and the price of a player becomes insignificant ones the player blends in seamlessly.
I think he would be a great addition to the team and we should also get an understudy to complement him. It's time we say good bye to Anthony Martial.
How is Son in the big matches?
I seem to remember him pressing, but might be making that up. That whole team did.
I don't really understand your main reasoning.
You say Osimhen isn't the profile we are currently playing, and you want to maintain that profile with Kane, but what exactly is that profile? If anything that seems a backhanded compliment to Kane!
Our strikers are Wout Weghorst, a panicked, last minute loan signing from Burnley. And a fella that's been here about 8 years and has had 1-2 acceptable seasons, can't get into the pitch and when he does barely makes a run and is on the fringes of a game.
I would argue there is no "current profile" - there is just a manager utilising the players available because he hasn't had a chance to address the striking situation. To me I don't look at this disastrous personnel and think yes..that's something to maintain and build upon because it's working so well.
fair play. So given you do rate him and think he's one of the best about, how on earth do you think he's holding spurs back?! He's the most important factor behind the last few years of them being a decent side.By your point, then we have no idea how EtH would like in his striker then. Im using how we play currently and use the striker that we have as a profile that EtH might want from his striker. And that is we play with striker that can operate with link up play and can offer fluid football with interchanging passes around the box. These fit with what Kane can offer and K. Muani. I like Oshimen too but just think that he is less of what EtH wants from his striker (his point about Matial too) and less fit to how we play.
Yeah I remember them as a high-pressing side with a high line that counter pressed aggressively. But I don’t know if that’s my mind playing tricks on me
A bit shite. But he’s nowhere near as good as Kane, anyway
meh, FPL assists or official assists, no need to be that detailed. The point is he’s been nicely involved in 9 out of 11 club games this season. Had you actually watched the games, you’d agree he’s been good too.
End product in form of assists also relies on someone good on your team to finish chances too - and he’s hardly had any good players next to him this season.
The original point wasn't about Kane holding them back at all.
If we had limited budget due to takeover not going through yet and Kane still cost the Levy ransom, I think we should get a cheaper and less prolific alternative at CF and focused on midfield backups/competition instead. The balance in the squad would be more important for us than the team collapsing everytime Casemiro is sent off or Eriksen gets injured. We simply cannot go into next season with Fred/McT as starting option for ANY key game, even Kane upfront won't save us in those games.
It was a hypothetical if that blew up into a discussion about Kane's abilities, somehow. I rate him very highly, and do think he can elevate us to the next level if we can afford him + midfield options under new ownership. As for the big games, I don't expect him to do well in them, but we have the likes of Rashford, Licha and Casemiro for the big occasions anyways. We'll find goals.
If we are going to make assumptions about what EtH wants it would be more logical to look at his previous teams. Because in those situations he went for a profile of his own choosing. He has built his own attack. From that it could possibly be said that there are implications for what ETH likes. You could even say that maybe he likes a focal point, a hold up player like Haller.
Albeit there would still be an asterisk that this is a very different level of club, so what he did there doesn't automatically translate and this is quite aptly demonstrated by the fact Haller was bad and unsuitable in England. He liked van de Beek in Holland for example but his thinking changed on that at United, so any manager worth his salt is going to adapt. But still, at least he picked those players.
But I think at United he has a dealt hand and what you're saying doesn't really get away from that. If you come into a squad and it has Martial who spends more time on the treatment bench then the pitch and then you lose another to Saudi Arabia and only have funds for a last second January loan, I don't think we can say anything about that is ideal or what the manager wants. I don't draw too much from what he does with Martial and Weghorst or what he says about them, he has to say good things and he has to play them.
100m is a massive sum, but don’t let the third digit by itself put us off.
IF we believe Harry is one of the top strikers on the planet and IF we believe he will maintain this form for 4-5 more seasons, the extra 30m or so that we would spend over the less scary number of 70m that most of us believe is the right number is hardly worth worrying about.
But if we believe Harry’s form will soon drop off the cliff, then we shouldn’t even bother thinking about him.
Spot on, if we want to play the way Ten Hag wants, we can't be bringing on Fred to try and control a game. He's purely energy and counter press. Mctominay is just not of the required standard.
Sounds like you’re clutching at straws because you don’t fancy Kane and his profile of striker. The evidence we have is that Ten Hag preferred Haller at Ajax as a player that could build from the front, hold up the ball and bring wide forwards into the game. We also know that Ten Hag has praised Martial extensively as his kind of player and played him whenever given the opportunity. Finally we know that Ten Hag went for Wout (and looked at players like Arnautovic) because of their ability to hold the ball up primarily. I assume he would also love goals from his strikers which is why someone like Kane makes perfect sense. Osimhan would be a complete deviation from everything Ten Hag has wanted from his strikers. Harry Kane would be a natural evolution.
Haller and Weghorst both also put up excellent pressing numbers, with it being the main positive trait ETH has spoken about in the latter's case. And while Osimhen fits that mold, Kane doesn't. And Osimhen certainly ticks the box in terms of the sheer physicality ETH has very obviously looked for in his #9s, so the idea that he's a complete deviation is just wrong.
The reality is that neither Kane nor Osimhen are perfect fits. It's just about deciding which qualities are needed versus wanted for this team. Or finding an alternative to both who ticks more boxes that either, of course.
Harry Kane is absolute sex il see him in June.
Just putting that here.
Just putting that here.
Yeah I remember them as a high-pressing side with a high line that counter pressed aggressively. But I don’t know if that’s my mind playing tricks on me
They were. But Kane is 5-ish years older now? He's not the same player any more, both for ill (that pressing intensity has vanished) and good (Poch-era Kane didn't play like current Kane can from deeper positions).
Same-ish topic from a Spurs forum:
I'd say Dave Mackay.
Has to be Bale? In the last of his seasons, he tore apart every team they faced.
At the end of the day, we really cant know 100% sure what his dream formation is for various circumstances and guessing from us. We could only draw on his previuos and current team and go with it.
For me i just think that the profile of striker that can link up play is much more better for us this current squad. Not only for Kane but also Kolo Muani, it just Kane is more sure thing all thing considered. We have Rashford and Antony (hes going to be here for a while and will start most of the time) for the wings and they are all looking for inter play and wants to score goals and if we add Kane or K. Muani profile players than it fit atleast with our squad for the next 2/3 years. If we add Oshimen then hes more of a final chance finishers, and high chamce he will score 20/30 goals but then our play and team will only focus on supplying him most of the time. Is it going to add more goals to our team with Oshimen or Kane type player?
Moreover, like i said Kane represent high chance as a sure thing to help us fight for the tittle and i think we have to have that mindset to fight for it and if we juat try to buy for future than im afraid we will keep building the squad and win nothing at all. I so afraid for us to be Arsene Wenger Arsenal when he building and building for the future but then his squad is keep missing the sweat spot and best players will depart after a few years.
He’s been below his best but he’ll be back.
So before Kane along, Tottenham were getting into CL finals and England were getting to into Euro finals and WC finals all the time and winning them, but now their main man doesn't show up those games? Or, is it that since both Tottenham and England have produced their greatest ever goals scorer, they have been through periods where they have got much closer to the bigger honours they can win and weren't even close to doing so before?
That season, Spurs finished 5th, did nothing in either domestic cup and lost to Basel in the QF of the Europa League.