This will be the most unpopular opinion imaginable here, but I would give Henderson a chance next season. Would be better than De Gea even if he's not the long-term solution, and would cost nothing. The other alternative is getting finding someone like Raya for relatively cheap.
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This will be the most unpopular opinion imaginable here, but I would give Henderson a chance next season. Would be better than De Gea even if he's not the long-term solution, and would cost nothing. The other alternative is getting finding someone like Raya for relatively cheap.
Nothing wrong with adding more creativity though, if you have Rashford on the left, Anthony some how becomes Rashford on the right and Bruno actually starts running beyond more ala KDB vs Arsenal in midweek, then we'd look great I think. Plus on top of that you have the guarenteed 20/30 goals that Kane himself will score.
You want to replace De Gea with someone whos even worse with their feet?
The only thing Henderson will give you over De Gea is claiming crosses, thats it - he is worse in every other aspect.
He’d improve us but we’re not competing with this City team until we build a team which means lots of new players and time. Hoping a certain player will come in and turn us into title contenders is the flawed logic we have used repeatedly in the past.
Personally I don’t believe buying a player who has given his best years (or most of them at least) to another club for a huge sum is the way forward. We should be looking at players who will be at their peak for us not someone else.
Do you know which team he plays for?
When he stood in for De Gea in early 2021 he showed way better distribution too. Our defence also looked way calmer with Henderson behind them. People however tend to just remember his mistake vs Salah in the Liverpool game at home and write those few months off because of it.
Well, we would literally be competing for the title this season with Kane up top.
I'd bung an incentivized 80m take-it-or-leave-it offer on the table and move on if they don't bite.
No we wouldn't. Its not as simple as he would add 10 to 15 points just because he would score more goals. Kane is a player who would score more goals in the games we already win, a 1-0 becomes a 2-0. He would not win us the games we struggle in and thats where the title challenge will come from.
That's not true at all. Henderson is much more comfortable and eager with his sweeping, even if his distribution with his feet is at a similar level as De Gea (I wouldn't say it's worse). He's also got very good distribution with his throws, constantly looking to start quick counter attacks as soon as he gets the ball in his hands. His ability to act as a sweeper allows our defence to push further up the field and compress the field in the opposition half. He was also more vocal at controlling the defence in front of him. Admittedly that's a harder one to judge as being more vocal doesn't mean you're actually saying the right things, but the fact our entire defence looked more stable with Henderson in the one period he had in goal than it had at any of the surrounding periods with De Gea certainly indicates he was an improvement. As you said he's also better with crosses, albeit that's more an indication of how bad De Gea is as Henderson isn't actually 'good' at it himself. Just better.
80 Million (add ons up to 100)
10 mil for a PL
5 mil for a CL semi
5 mil for PL top goalscorer
Everton recently too. Should have had a few assists that game.
My point is Rashford is already receiving quality service here. It’s not that high on the list of in terms of our striker’s job spec.
I’m not proposing to ignore Harry Kane to instead go for a striker who will not score any goals either. Any striker we sign I would expect to be scoring a minimum of 18 league goals. Any option I suggest I would expect to score a minimum of 18 league goals. After the 18 goals, we start looking at other ways he will impact the team.
This is my problem though, you're spending 100m on player where you need the rest of your team to play different to how they're currently playing. Doesn't make sense.
Maybe? But in reality, probably not. We had finished second in 2021, added Cristiano Ronaldo who went on to score 18 league goals - and you know how last season ended up.
One player alone is almost never enough to make such a massive difference in points. Such improvement usually requires a lot more than that, and there's a lot of context to consider.
Again, my point is that you argued that Kane plays like a #10 and not like a striker. Yet he plays in the striker position and he averages ~26 goals in a season (based on last 5 seasons), so he meets your latter requirement for goal contribution. The fact he can play make as well, is an added bonus. He might not be the penalty box type of striker, which is a different playstyle, but he certainly more than justify being a striker by his goal output.
Rashford receiving quality service doesn't mean he can't get even better service. He was receiving quality service from Bruno. But his link up with Ronaldo before and Weghorst now is non-existent. His output could only improve with a forward like Kane.
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We play exactly as we do now and he fits in perfectly. It really is that simple. He’s just a massive upgrade on Martial. I don’t understand why people are trying to complicate this.
Bringing in a different striker who wants to turn and run away from the ball will require more adjustment for us, albeit I’m sure we’d cope. What I don’t want is us bringing in a player with questionable technique from a lesser league, who may struggle to hold the ball up in the premier league (which is probably what will happen if we go for another option). There’s no other option which comes close to being as easy and low risk for us.
It’s not that we need Kane dropping deep - it’s the fact that we don’t really need him doing that for us would make him deadly in our system.
He can focus on playing further high up the pitch - a play style he doesn’t get to play at Spurs but then also having the ability to drop deep only when required to.
His set piece goals, headers and poaching goals show he can score from inside the box - something we clearly lack, but then almost as a plan B drop deep when required.
I think that’s why people are interested in Kane - not because he drops deep as our plan A attack but drops deep as his plan B attack to get others in on goal if he isn’t scoring in the box himself - which he clearly does.
He can focus on playing further high up the pitch - a play style he doesn’t get to play at Spurs but then also having the ability to drop deep only when required to.
His set piece goals, headers and poaching goals show he can score from inside the box - something we clearly lack, but then almost as a plan B drop deep when required.
I think that’s why people are interested in Kane - not because he drops deep as our plan A attack but drops deep as his plan B attack to get others in on goal if he isn’t scoring in the box himself - which he clearly does.
I don't think he would it would be similar to the way he is playing it's United who would have to make allowances for him , his lack of pressing from the from the front , his reluctance to engage with CB's is due to his declining physical prowess and dynamism .
He is being utilised like this because thats what gets the best out of this Version of Kane .
He is no longer the Classic Center forward of past and it's quite a gamble to think he would suddenly turn into his old self because we want him to be . For better or worse he has evolved and if we are hoping to bring him then we should plan accordingly .
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But he doesn't play like Martial, because Martial is way more mobile, presses more (shockingly) and receives the ball higher up the pitch than Kane has done all season. So it's not a like for like swap, we're rjigging how we set up.
I don't see how that would be an adjustment as we play constantly like that with Rashford. You're arguing against a straw man here, I've never said I'd compromise on anything you fear and I don't see how this transfer is "easy" either.
Don't forget GaitanHe's ours
Just need Frenkie and Sneijder to follow and we're feckin golden, boyos.
Ronaldo was finished by the time he joined. Dragged the team down drastically, something which Kane wouldn't do. He might take a few goals away from Rashford and Bruno, sure, but he wouldn't disrupt everything like Ronaldo did. Not to mention everything that happened off the pitch.
After one of them has already scored it, no less.
Not the best pitch from us yesterday, some good 1st half moves and the Bruno 2nd half chance excepted.
Still a better bet than Tottenham, but if Kane, I'd want to see guarantees, or even prior evidence of, strengthening in core areas (most notably MF) before signing on - though since this is a guy who uses his brother to negotiate deals rather than a high-level agent, and who signed a 6 year deal with no non-CL release clause at the very least, perhaps one shouldn't count too much on his judgement off the field...
Still a better bet than Tottenham, but if Kane, I'd want to see guarantees, or even prior evidence of, strengthening in core areas (most notably MF) before signing on - though since this is a guy who uses his brother to negotiate deals rather than a high-level agent, and who signed a 6 year deal with no non-CL release clause at the very least, perhaps one shouldn't count too much on his judgement off the field...
He's ours
Just need Frenkie and Sneijder to follow and we're feckin golden, boyos.
Don't forget Gaitan.
He plays like Martial but is much better and always available.
The only serious question arguing against Kane is how much longer he can continue at this extremely high level. I speculate three years, but no one knows for sure. What is sure, however, is that Kane light years superior to Weghorst and Martial, the latter putting in an epically abysmal performance yesterday while Harry supplied a sublime match-winning assist.
I'd say 4 to 5 years is much more realistic than 2 to 3, since he doesn't rely on pace, and just look how good Benzema and Lewandowski are at 35 and 34.
Id go for someone else than Kane if someone else was available to his regular goalscoring standard but the fact is we are the 3rd/4th best team in England with arguably only Rashford as our only attacker.
That’s actually a positive than a negative in my opinion.
Next season I personally believe we will see the right hand sided version of Rashford return to our first team. What does this have to do with Kane? Because what he is going to add to our first team is the goals our inverted forwards don’t score like headers, goals from set plays like corners and free kicks and poachers goals.
Do we really need another striker who is running in behind the defence to score a well placed finish? I’m not sure. Kane can offer us the goals Rashford’s & RW Rashford is not scoring whilst Those 2 scores the goals Kane is not scoring. All the whilst Kane being able to interlink both of them as well.
My biggest issue with Kane is his pressing ability I agree
but; I must admit that I think we are a mix of counterattacking team players playing under a possesion based manager. So we need to find the balance between both.
When we don’t have possesion we don’t need Kane to press - we can have him drop deep to number 10 as we saw Ten Hag did with Weghorst (who is arguably a pressing player anyway) & swap positions with Bruno to become a creative player for 2 inverted forwards on the counter whilst Bruno presses which he is a menace at anyway.
The Sit deep Counterattacking 4231
RW - Kane - Rashford
Bruno
The possesion based 433
Bruno
RW - Kane - Rashford
I think this can be the perfect balance between a counterattacking team that can play possesion based football.
This is all relative to if we want to go for the title next season or the season after. If we want to next season then we have to get a balance of the best of our current players (counterattacking players) & the best of Ten Hag’s tactics (possesion). If we want to wait until our 3rd year then Ten Hag has time and transfer windows to build his perfect possesion football team like we saw Arteta do this year.
Yes, and my point again is that Kane is not the only striker who can score goals. On the assumption that whatever striker we sign will score at least 18 league goals, how do you differentiate between most ideal? Simply by who scores one or two more or is it by who fits your approach and relationship with the other players best? His team were dominated for much of the game due to the fact that Lindelof and Shaw were allowed to pass it around the halfway line unopposed. So given that, Osimhen’s 20 goals are of greater value to us than Kane’s 20 goals because they also come with pressing. Kane’s also come with creativity, but in our own team building, we have already addressed THAT particular issue - so while it is of greater value to Spurs, it is not of the same to us. Pressing from a striker is more important than assists for Manchester United.
If a striker scores 25 goals mainly with headers and a player scores 20 through pass and move, it is not unreasonable for Barcelona to say that the latter suits them better. Respect to the aerial qualities, but they are not as needed in our team.
I expect Kane to score goals here. But given how we play, I think a different player would be optimised here because we attack with speed and intensity. Look at Rashford’s goal yesterday. We don’t score that if Kane is upfront instead of Rashford. You could say that Kane would have been the one playing the pass, but the pass is clearly already being played without Kane.
That is before we even start to consider that he’s at least 5 years older than all the alternative options and will be paid the best, which are also factors to consider.
Sorry chaps but Henderson is useless as a sweeper keeper. It was embarrassing how many of his kicks went straight out of play. Brice Samba was fantastic at this for us last season. His quick thinking and bullet passes used to start off a lot of breaks for us last season. Henderson just stands there looking for options, lets the other side get back then kicks it into touch.
We wouldn’t be competing for the title, there is a huge gulf between us and City, it’s a completely flawed logic that one player closes that gap.
Just can't get excited about this. I hope it works out if it happens though
No club will give him £300k, why are we being reported to offer him such when not up against any competition. £100m I can understand because we might be daft enough and trying to get Tottenham to sell but the wages is a no go.
Generally I have my reservation but won’t mind him added to the squad. When he starts performing like Rooney we have to bench him and not get involved in the “ but he can still give you goals” conversation. I don’t mind him coming here and starts declining in a year but bench or get rid when it happens. There will be nothing to be patient about then because it’ll be past his prime and not a 24yr old expected to come good.
Generally I have my reservation but won’t mind him added to the squad. When he starts performing like Rooney we have to bench him and not get involved in the “ but he can still give you goals” conversation. I don’t mind him coming here and starts declining in a year but bench or get rid when it happens. There will be nothing to be patient about then because it’ll be past his prime and not a 24yr old expected to come good.