The point is to give us opportunity to play differently if the starter striker isn't performing. I don't know enough about either M Dembele or Thuram to decide if they could fit the bill
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The point is to give us opportunity to play differently if the starter striker isn't performing. I don't know enough about either M Dembele or Thuram to decide if they could fit the bill
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He may also be a reason they couldn’t press us in the first half. In fact I think the others do the pressing for him. Which is why I’m not excited at the idea of him. He’s there to be a physical presence and goal scorer but off the ball he wants to play like Messi I.e in between the lines and that’s where Bruno operates and obviously he’s no Messi. If he had pace and running power like a younger cf it would be a no brainer. But this pretend 10, I don’t think it suits us. He’s not exactly got quick feet either.
So if we can't get Osimhen who is in that elite tier who can provide the pressing,pace and of course physical presence that Kane lacks
I’m afraid I’m not scout nor am I a global football aficionado like many here. So I can only comment on the one’s I have seen. It’s true that the market is bare and it’s possible that no option is ideal. But it’s important to know the drawbacks / strengths of each option to decide on the best. Much depends on ETHs idea of what he needs from a Cf. For me, aside from finishing which we all can agree we need, I think we need someone who can help us conform games, relief pressure by holding it up (having the quality to withstand that pressure), making a run in the channel etc
Feel Kane could hold it up and definitely make movements into the channels,obviously not to the same extent as an Osimhen but you get my point.
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I think our priority should be building a team for future, as we won’t be challenging City any time soon anyway. But I also acknowledge that some short term fix is also necessary (ie Casemiro) if we want to stay up in top 4, which is absolutely a must if we want to attract more top players in future.
Which means if we are unable to get any top striker in the market at right age this summer, Kane would be a good choice for sure, as top 4 would be getting more and more challenging with the likes of Liverpool finding back their form, Arsenal keep improving under Arteta, Chelsea with the biggest ever squad playing under a decent manager, and Newcastle with all the money maybe getting better and better too.
But if we could, priority should always be given to someone younger, if we were to build our squad to challenge City in future.
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Should steer clear of him he is not what this team needs , We need more energy and somebody who is nuisance for opposition defense throughout 90 minutes .
Who’s that player then? To me yesterday showed once again how we lack leadership and control.
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Let Bruno swap positions with Kane during a press. Kane drops to 10 where he becomes a creator for 2 inverted forwards, Bruno becomes our main presser when we dont have the ball.Kane
When we do have the ball Bruno & Kane swap, with Kane becoming the fox in the box poacher he is. Bruno becomes a creator for 2 deadly inverted forwards & a brilliant poacher. Kane also gets deliveries from Shaw & a new attacking RB.
One of the main reasons i think this could work is arguably that whilst our manager is possesion based, we still play counter attacking football & Kane can help both aspects by being a creator during the counter but a poacher during possesion. Finally, i think wider creators like Amad or even Sancho can improve with Kane in the box whilst inverted players like Antony, Garanacho & Rashford can have chances created by Kane.
This is the only way i see kane fitting at united whilst title challenging directly next year
I don't watch much football outside of United but if I have to choose then maybe Ivan Toney could be decent bet .
And Kane doesn't exactly scream leader to me to be honest anyway Iam hoping United's scouting department could come up with names who may not so obvious choices but fits the need of this team better .
He lead a 2-0 comeback to be honest and he’s a better player than Toney.
I’m sure our scouting have done their job which is why reports have Kane as number 1 on our list followed by an Osihmen.
This isn’t a position to take risks and as much as I also like Toney.. Harry Kane is two levels above him. It’s like picking Tony Martial over Kane.
I can't believe how people still doubt this guy's quality. He was playing at one of the best playmakers on the pitch yesterday and should have had more than two assists.
That being said, his emergence in this new role as a playmaking striker I think will bring him at odds with Bruno. Bruno is someone who also always wants to be involved and I think that can lead to some clashes with Kane. Kane currently players on a team with no traditional CAM playmaker and therefore has the freedom to roam and receive the ball. At United being paired with Bruno will make that more difficult and either one would have to sacrifice that role to an extent.
Bruno has shown before, though frustratingly not recently, that he can be a goalscoring CAM as well, so he can try to get into more goalscoring positions with Kane, so it might work with each interchanging during the match.
That being said, his emergence in this new role as a playmaking striker I think will bring him at odds with Bruno. Bruno is someone who also always wants to be involved and I think that can lead to some clashes with Kane. Kane currently players on a team with no traditional CAM playmaker and therefore has the freedom to roam and receive the ball. At United being paired with Bruno will make that more difficult and either one would have to sacrifice that role to an extent.
Bruno has shown before, though frustratingly not recently, that he can be a goalscoring CAM as well, so he can try to get into more goalscoring positions with Kane, so it might work with each interchanging during the match.
Well that's fair enough but for me there are Enough red flags to actually not be confident about Kane immediately turning United into title challengers to make major allowances to accomodate him in the team .
We look set to be a 75 point team in a season where ETH had to make a lot of compromises, we had a lot of injuries and most importantly basically no reliable striker throughout the campaign (Ronaldo decline, Martial injuries, Weghorst basically a makeshift short-term solution).
Don't you think Kane could add 10-15 points to this team over a full PL season? 85-90 points would more than likely be a title charge until the very end of a PL campaign even if it might not be enough to win it.
This is why I could see ETH "sacrifice" one more season and stick with De Gea in goal, unless we can find a cheap solution.
We are not getting close to 85 points even with Kane if De Gea is in the Goal we might become more comfortable at Home may be get few extra points , but away from home with De Gea in goal we would always be susceptible to drop points as he is agent of chaos and panic .
Don't get me wrong, I want De Gea replaced ASAP, but since we're likely finishing around 75 pts this season, do you think we wouldn't have at least 10 more had we had Kane in our team? Sounds a bit silly to say "we are not getting close to 85 points".
DDG might make mistakes but he has more clean sheets than any other GK in the league this season, I'm not saying he is great but he won't ruin your season next year.
@Rojofiam is right keep DDG and add Kane and that's probably an extra 10-15 points
Goals are the main reason why we aren't higher up in the table. We conceded just 1 more goal than Arsenal!
De Gea is a huge problem for sure, but we have the 3rd worst goal scoring record in the top 10 (48 goals). Outside of Rashford, who can be patchy, we simply don't have any goalscorers.
To be honest, I think De Gea is hindering the team to a certain extent, and I'd bet his deficiencies with the ball were the main reason ten Hag switched to a way more pragmatic approach after our first 2 PL fixtures (Brighton H & Brentford A), meaning that how we play right now is not the manager's true philosophy, and long-term I'd say we're likely gonna play more similarly to how City and Arsenal are playing right now, in terms of playstyle.
At the same time, though, had we got Kane last summer too, on top of every other signing we made, we'd definitely have at least 10 more points at this stage of the season.
Chelsea won’t be in the CL next year and possibly the year after. He’s hardly that dumb
All fair points but the thing is if we get to 75 points this season it would be based on great form at home so unless we suddenly become super team like City we might not be able to improve on that number wise but we can certainly ensure games become more comfortable due to a reliable goalscorer .
Our points improvement would certainly have to come from our away games and that's where we would continue to suffer due to De Gea , I just can't see United becoming 2 PPG away team which we would most probably require to touch 85 points if we continue to trust De Gea .
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Bit optimistic there aren’t we
Even with 2/3 new additions I think at best fighting for second. Noisy fcuking neighbours different gravy.
I have a DDG agenda which is probably why I agree with you. The only caveat to that though is that we allow pressure away because we fail to in game manage. That’s more of a collective than solely on having a goalkeeper who is a p***y.
I think a better conductor in midfielde and an attacking fullback would help.
Well played.
I mean... He has stayed at Spurs his entire career.
He might feel if Pochettino can get Spurs to the CL final without any funds, he might win it under him with an unlimited budget.
think they’ll do amazingly well to qualify for it next season
might he about 2026/2027 before he even has a chance
Chelsea have blown a lot of those funds already their core is in place and it’s not great
I agree DDG can be improved upon, but a striker is far more important to you right now and if you are limited on funds over the summer a CF and MF would be my priority.
But it was reported that EtH is looking at a striker as well as a young MF and young GK, so maybe you get everything!
Shaw had a really good game against him last night and Kane was still easily the best player on the pitch. Absolutely tore our defence apart in the second half, despite his teammates being rubbish. Set up one easy chance for Son which he missed from 10 yards, so set him up for one 4 yards out that it was impossible to miss.
He’s exactly what we need to bring the best out of Bruno and Rashford. He won’t need to drop off as much playing for us but he’ll interchange perfectly with Bruno when he does and still score 20+ goals a season. Simply the best CF it’s possible for us to buy.
I agree we collectively shit paints when pressure is on and Better midfield and full backs would certainly help to manage games better but the thing is in away games teams would certainly have their moments where they squeeze and squeeze .
And that's where De Gea becomes a greater liability because he won't come off the line to deal with Ariel threats or to sweep so defense has to come deeper and deeper which further creates disconnect between midfield and factor in his poor distribution and Kicking it almost becomes impossible to get any to control and respite eventually it's panic station before you know it .
There are concerns about age etc but I think he'd be brilliant
He doesn’t improve us as much is being made out IMO. I have little interest in the fact he created two chances yesterday. He was effective from very far back when we went to crap, but in the first half he was a large part as to why Spurs were dominated. He can’t press from the front, and when his team is penned back, he can’t stretch in transition.
You look at Kane and look at a striker like Alexander Isak and I cannot believe how people think it’s a player like Harry we’re best off with. In a hypothetical ‘pick who you want’ scenario, I’d take Isak over Kane any day, even if Isak was late 20s. He looks like a United forward. If anyone watches us play, we play like Isak. That is our football. We have just had inconsistent or injured versions of these players, but players like Rashford, Martial, Antony, Greenwood when he was about, Garnacho - this is how we attack. Kane does not fit our team, except as a creator in chief, however we already have one of those who creates loads and loads of chances from the withdrawn position. We are a high energy, high intensity attack. Kane is a throwback number 9 and I struggle to see how he keeps up with a lot of our play. Again, if we played a double 8 - I’d have a very different view. I’d appreciate Kane as a false 9. But with what we have at present, I’d prefer a striker who can match the intensity of those around him.
Exactly my thoughts.
Unless he comes in under different instructions, this version of Kane is completely the wrong profile of striker.
So we both know that. My issue is why is the DoF and ETH not address this as a main issue.
Instead what we hear is £200k contract renewals and GK not being a priority… when those who are intelligent know all it does is shift us back another year in being able to play the football we need to play.
I don't understand this argument. Your striker being able to drop deep and connect with the other players is an advantage not a disadvantage. Like you said, we have a Rashford. His pass to Son for the second goal could be what he could be doing for Rashford. And it's not like he's not a goal threat himself. He's only second in the league behind Haaland in goals.
There's off field reasons which I think make him not the best option. Age, cost etc. But his playstyle would suit us.
I believe Sami Mokbel is quite reliable.
It actually does my head in as well it would be a self inflicted wound which could actually prove fatal to ETH's job I am quite certain of it.
Honestly De Gea would struggle get even £100k
a week contract anywhere else if he is released from United that how much of a liability he is for any team with serious aspirations and deep pockets .
Assuming we get a striker, Midfielder and RB then ETH would be under immense pressure to challenge for the title there are no two ways about it and rightly so , but I simply can't see it happening with De Gea in goal honestly I can't and God forbid we get few of the hammerings we got this season suddenly ETh job could be on the line and we are back to square one .
I don't remember a single time he was up in Shaw's or Lindelof's space. It's actually remarkable he scores so many goals when he never wants to do the dirty no.9 work in harassing defenders from the front.
He'd set up so many Rashford goals from that deeper position. He'll also get close to 30 Premier League goals this season despite dropping deep.
We don't really need him to do that, though. Spurs need it because they play terrorism football and their midfield hasn't got a creative bone in their body. We've got Fernandes and even Eriksen currently.