Says the git asking people if they were nicknamed Ostrich. You are so petty
Hargreaves vs. Carrick, Feadingseagulls vs. Noodle, Chief (Bayern Fan!) vs. Logic
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The thread will be reopened after a few hours. Hopefully you lot will have calmed down by then.
hurray!!!!! Its back open!!!!!!!!!!
Hargreaves is feckin mint, innit bruv? zoom zoom.
Hargreaves is feckin mint, innit bruv? zoom zoom.
Can't believe Mehro locked it.
I've made this my homepage. Classic thread.
I've made this my homepage. Classic thread.
Like a fine wine. It gets better with age.
So is Hairgrease the greatest midfielder ever to play for United or merely an expensive flop?
Hard to think he could beat Veron, sad because Veron is about 20x more talented than Hargreaves
If that was an exam question he'd have 0 for being off topic. .
Don't bring the unit price into the equation. Hargreaves didn't set the price, lets judge him for the player he is rather than the price we paid.
By your logic players like Nani,Carrick, Rooney, Saha and a few others can be regarded as expensive flops in some quarters.
While I generally agree that it's slightly unfair to judge a player by his price tag, I do think that the price is an indication of the club's expectations of him. It's debateable whether Rooney or Ferdinand is worth 30 mil, but what's undeniable is their squad status, a key role in the squad. Hargreaves is being compared to Fletcher, an unwanted fringe player a few seasons ago, and this year his value has been suggested at about 5-6 million, then that makes you wonder if Hargreaves is a good signing or not.
Assuming for a the sake of argument that he is fringe player (even though he is not), isnt it SAF's prerogative to decide the quality and experience of a fringe player he needs...or do the muppets on here decide that for him ? Micheal Ballack and Joe Cole could be considered as fringe players. Same could be said about Henry, Ronaldinho (this season) Deco, Robben...does anyone doubt their class? Someone as good as Cudicini is not even on the fringes, he is more a reserve player. At the end of the day, its SAF's decision.
Do you know what SAF or CQ have planned for the future - it could be a 4-3-3 with Carrick-Anderson-Hargreaves ? Give a player a full season and a run of games before you start calling for his head.
The bottom line
Y'all booed Giggs...and Rio
I don't recall rio being booed. I recall him getting a bit of stick pre-season but that was cos he was stalling on the contract.
As for Giggs, there was one incident where the crowd reaction to him being subbed suggested people weren't happy. But despite what the media claimed, there was not widspread booing.
Just shows that trusting the media when it comes to guaging the feelings of a crowd is not a sensible thing to do.
What are you talking about? Hargreaves was not purchased as a fringe player, that was the point of my post. His price suggests that he was bought with expectaction. I said that the fact that he is compared to Fletcher is what worries some of us "anti-Hargreaves" bandwagon, which we are not really anti at all, just wondering if he's a good buy or no.
Only to someone who either doesn't know what the word means, or just applies it with no evidence - like yourself.
Surely the 'lying' and 'slanderous' descriptions were made about completely different remarks?
Hypocrisy and dishonesty are defamatory accusations about my person and behaviour - they have been established as being untrue.
'An individual suffers defamation when a person publishes to a third party words or other matter containing an untrue allegation that is damaging to the individual's reputation.'
http://www.yourrights.org.uk/your-r...-slander/the_distinction_between_libel_.shtml
Your idea about my location only shows you fail to understand the quote btw.
I like mice - gives the cats something to play with.
He's done ok generally - blocks space and passing avenues well, can tackle without getting carded - has pace to get to and deal with situations - has a wider range of passing than many can accept.
Do you think your reputation has been damaged? If it's any consolation, I reckon your reputation on here is pretty much what it was before you entered the thread.
Not really. Unlike yourself, I don't claim to be any great shakes at philosophy, but that's not the point - it was a little play on words, once again though a sense of humour is required to get it.
When are you going to go through the thread and analyze every single post like you promised?
There you go. Common ground. Time to kiss and make up...
Good to see there's life in this old dog yet.
Old mouse...
The passion seems to be fading boys.
I'll see if I can't reignite things.
Who would win in an MMA fight between Carrick and Hargreaves?!
Carrick would be the better JJ guy. He is probably also a better technical striker.
Hargreaves would be all about energy. He'd be taking Carrick down at will and after spinning in circles while he tried to get side control he'd be raining elbows down on Carrick.
Carrick would be undone by Hargreaves energy and quickness. He might punch better but it will be hard to create distance against a guy who is constantly harrying and pressuring him. Hargreaves is probably a sloppy finisher so I doubt he puts the fight away early. He wins a decision!
I'll see if I can't reignite things.
Who would win in an MMA fight between Carrick and Hargreaves?!
Carrick would be the better JJ guy. He is probably also a better technical striker.
Hargreaves would be all about energy. He'd be taking Carrick down at will and after spinning in circles while he tried to get side control he'd be raining elbows down on Carrick.
Carrick would be undone by Hargreaves energy and quickness. He might punch better but it will be hard to create distance against a guy who is constantly harrying and pressuring him. Hargreaves is probably a sloppy finisher so I doubt he puts the fight away early. He wins a decision!
Nucks' wit.
He's not even the next Nicky Butt.
Find another excuse. feck the media. I rarely listen to the, anyway. On TV during live games I've heard our fans boo Rio, Giggs and evens SAF once, in 2002/3, when he made a baffling substitution, in our first game of the season at OT. Plus Neville once, when against REAL, I forget the year, he made back pass to our keeper, when we were chasing the game. While watching our pres season games last season. I could hear Rio being booed loud and clearly on TV. Up to the time he eventually signed the contract. I also remember a league game at OT, some years back in which Giggs was beeing booed by most of the homes support. Every time he touched the ball. We could hear it loudly on tv. To the extent at half time, it became a topic for discussion for former players Terry Paine and Gary Bailey, who were co match summarizers on the station I was watching the game on. Maybe you didn't participate. But have no doubts OT has ever booed it's own. It happens.
That's life
Given how scared Brown is of the round thing, perhaps we might want to play Hargreaves at right back
The problem with Brown at RB is that although he's pretty good defensively in that position, he's not consistently good enough going forward. Above all his crossing ability is not great. I dare say, OH can play effectively in that position but how good will his crossing / passing be in forward positions ? Above all, he was bought to play in midfield - so play him there.
I hate to break it to you, but TV is media. And Paine and Bailey are media pundits hopelessly out of touch with the fans (as are all pundits in my experience).
There was no booing of Rio pre-season last year (the Dam Tournament). I know, I was there.
The season before he got stick at Peterborough because he'd not signed his contract. Again, I know because I was there.
Right. So the booing we were hearing clearly on tv, directed towards Giggs, for example, was put there by the tv stations broadcasting the matches eh? I never knew Sky was so sinister!
Right. So the booing we were hearing clearly on tv, directed towards Giggs, for example, was put there by the tv stations broadcasting the matches eh? I never knew Sky was so sinister!
1. There's a fair chance this might be a figment of your imagination. There are a few on this thread, such as Zidane's UEFA Cup medal with Bordeaux
2. You get a mic turned up next to a small group of fans of fans booing and it gets picked up on TV. Doesn't mean that it's widespread. I've not heard widespread booing of Giggs at OT, grumbling yes, booing no. Mics get turned up and turned down (eg the disruption of the Munich minute's silence at Wembley) and often don't give an accurate reflection of the atmosphere - you just have to see the debates about atmosphere on here when those in the ground say it was good/bad and those watching on telly disagree.
Don't really understand why anyone would think those of us who go to the games would make stuff up about what the crowd thinks or doesn't think or why they think that the selective sound that the TV companies use to put a soundtrack to the match is more representative of what actually happens.
I can remember games at Old Trafford back in the 70's when United had battered the opposition and they'd hardly had a kick (and to be fair vice versa). When they showed the highlights on MOTD, they'd balance it up to make it look like a more even game for the TV viewer. It was quite deliberate - they'd show all of the weaker team's attacks to make it look less one sided.
I can remember games at Old Trafford back in the 70's when United had battered the opposition and they'd hardly had a kick (and to be fair vice versa). When they showed the highlights on MOTD, they'd balance it up to make it look like a more even game for the TV viewer. It was quite deliberate - they'd show all of the weaker team's attacks to make it look less one sided.
Yeah, we've had this too this season. They seem to hear a couple of muppets moaning and stick a big mic up them.
I never did promise to do that - you're misrepresenting people again.
There is no requirement on anyone to 'analyze every single post' - I would only be a hypocrite if I failed to do that whilst demanding someone else did.
Failure to comment on every post on the cafe isn't 'intellectual dishonesty' either:
Someone is intellectually dishonest when they portray something they know to be false as if it were true - like you knowing that the chief didn't say the things you claim but arguing as if he did - and like your post above.
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Probably true - I doubt anyone is going to believe Noods obviously false accusations since I've never shown any evidence of either hypocrisy or intellectual dishonesty - unlike you and Noods.
Oh, and since Ralphie suggests the internet would probably be libel rather than slander:
http://www.yourrights.org.uk/your-r...-slander/the_distinction_between_libel_.shtml
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