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Hargreaves vs. Carrick, Feadingseagulls vs. Noodle, Chief (Bayern Fan!) vs. Logic
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Get a life.
Fine - I shall henceforward think of you as an intellectually dishonest hypocrite incapable of evaluating evidence.
You really are something of a dishonest prat aren't you?
1st you serially misrepresent the chief's remarks - presumably to weaken the pro-Hargreaves arguments.
When challenged you get all defensive and post complete drivel.
Not even your mate Plech-Gerrard can manage to argue that you haven't misrepresented your opponent.
So since you can't actually call on any evidence to support your case you decide to label me a hypocrite and intellectually dishonest whilst wittering on about my posting habits in supposed support of your case. Unfortunately, none of the 'evidence' you produce supports any of your case.
So let's see - by the labels you employ, you are misrepresenting my case, so:
you're the one being intellectually dishonest.
Since you complain about me being 'intellectually dishonest' (wrongly) when you are guilty:
that makes YOU the hypocrite.
End of debate really.
I'm pretty sure most of that is true in one way or another. Luckily, no one except for you cares
You're still a hypocrite though
Shut the hell up. You're incredibly annoying.
Feedingseagulls you need to ratchet the level of your argumentation back about 15 years.
Try reasoning and arguing like an 8 year old. That is the level our opposition is at and what they respond to.
So feck you Noodledick my dad could own yours.
Try reasoning and arguing like an 8 year old. That is the level our opposition is at and what they respond to.
So feck you Noodledick my dad could own yours.
Why not? What special things has Scholes done for us this season? His hardly played and when he has his been poor mostly. That can't be said of any of our other midfielders. Unless you are just blinkered
The only thing we can conclude from this is that a Hargreaves / Scholes midfield combo is not going to work.
For the record a sizeable number of Manchetser United fans would agree with me. Especially where I live. But that's another matter, which even matters little.....
I understand very well what it means to be liar and you and they are just liars. Just like the liars who used to tell us that Veron was our worst player in his first season, when it was in fact Scholes by some distance. Due to there bias towards Scholes. It's not just a matter of opinion.
Fact is, If I gave you a chance to list the games Scholes, has been good for us this season I doubt you would come up with 4. Yet I can list you more than 4 occasions when Hagreaves has been good. Same as Fletcher, Anderson and Carrick. But you are already biased against Hargreaves. So even if Scholes played like he did vs Pompey for the rest of the season you'd still swear to the highest heavens Hargreaves has been worse. On top of claiming a few thosuand agree with you. As if it would make you right
No. We can just conclude Scholes is having one of his off years, in which he isn't consistent or in top form. If he was his proper self he would have played like he did vs Fulham, on Saturday
Chief, do you live in Uganda?
I don't think so. Scholes' most effective role is as a specialist attacking midfielder. He does not tackle or cover that well. This season has been one of disruption due to injury so he has hardly had much of a chance to get his form going. It is not a question of an "off season" at all. He's been very consistent for us over the years.
OH needs to play with someone who can also share the midfield defensive duties - Carrick or indeed Anderson. Scholes is unsuited to that role but you cannot blame him for that as he brings so much more to our play when he's attacking the opposition penalty area.
You really are something of a dishonest prat aren't you?
1st you serially misrepresent the chief's remarks - presumably to weaken the pro-Hargreaves arguments.
When challenged you get all defensive and post complete drivel.
Not even your mate Plech-Gerrard can manage to argue that you haven't misrepresented your opponent.
So since you can't actually call on any evidence to support your case you decide to label me a hypocrite and intellectually dishonest whilst wittering on about my posting habits in supposed support of your case. Unfortunately, none of the 'evidence' you produce supports any of your case.
So let's see - by the labels you employ, you are misrepresenting my case, so:
you're the one being intellectually dishonest.
Since you complain about me being 'intellectually dishonest' (wrongly) when you are guilty:
that makes YOU the hypocrite.
Hargreaves has been better than Scholes so far based on both Skyports expert and supporter ratings. In spite of the hatred of several muppets on here who slate Hargreaves after every match and refuse to vote for him, he has 789 votes as a top 3 player (based on player on the month thread) while Scholes has a mere 365.
Neither the experts, nor the United fans or even the caftards agree with you. So stop embarrassing yourself further by making up stories about thousands of United fans agreeing with your pathetic hatred of Hargreaves.
How do you go about comparing OH with Scholes? Very different players I would have thought.
Its not a comparison of their abilities or role in the team but just the performance so far this season.
Hargreaves hasnt been spectacular, isnt a match winner or the next Roy Keane. He isnt going to prevent every goal or shot on goal. But he has done his job more often than enough and consistently been in the top 5 players in our matches whereas Scholes has been a big letdown.
To blame Hargreaves for our loses when others in the team such has Scholes and Giggs have regularly underperformed is pathetic.
How many matches can Ronaldo and Rooney win us ? Will our attacking midfielder actually score any goals or even setup some chances rather than just sit in front of defence in most matches and pass to Ronaldo/Rooney/Tevez to both create and score?
Fabregas was criticized for having a bad day against Wigan. But he put Adebeyor clear through on goal twice, had a header pushed over with a brilliant stop from the keeper and a strike in the last minute saved. Thats more chances on a bad day than Scholes normally creates on a good day.
My view is that Scholes has had a disrupted season and we generally haven't seen him at his best when he has played - at least not consistently. So has Hargreaves for that matter - in one week out the next. Same applies to Carrick - certainly earlier on and Anderson seems to have gone off the boil a little. I am not blaming any of them for anything. I just think that Fergie needs to get the right midfield combinations going. Scholes and Hargeaves wasn't right for Saturday and probably won't be right in the future. Hargreaves needs to play with Carrick to bring out the best in both plus Scholes or Anderson in the tough games to come.
Agree with the first part. SAF needs to decide on one midfield combination and give them a run. He shouldnt chop and change every game.
I am not sure if Carrick-Hargreaves would work that well. But with Carrick in good form over the last month and showing an inclination to make more forward runs, it's worth a try. Hargreaves-Anderson or Scholes-Carrick have worked best based on results this season and last.
Right, so 'lying' was too strong, but 'slanderous' is applicable and a case could me made for 'libelous'
You know what FS, I reckon you can edit your location now - you might have finally succeeded in finding the seriousness of a child at play.
Beyond good and evil where pedantry mutates into stupidity.
Scholes has an appalling game on Saturday. Obviously losing was not his fault alone but I was astonished that Scholes stayed on.
There is an inherent problem in that Scholes likes to pick up from the back four and do his stuff, but Hargreaves AND Carrick start from deep (OH cos he's defensive and Carrick cos he's creative). The only one that would give Scholes space is Anderson but then that really weakens the central midfield defensively.
For the good of the team, it's got to be two from OH, MC, and A. We're at a critical stage of the season now and I think for the time being, Scholes weakens central midfield.
Of course he is a legend, but the combination of injury and natural deterioration means he ain't the best option at the moment. Hope SAF realises that.
There is an inherent problem in that Scholes likes to pick up from the back four and do his stuff, but Hargreaves AND Carrick start from deep (OH cos he's defensive and Carrick cos he's creative). The only one that would give Scholes space is Anderson but then that really weakens the central midfield defensively.
For the good of the team, it's got to be two from OH, MC, and A. We're at a critical stage of the season now and I think for the time being, Scholes weakens central midfield.
Of course he is a legend, but the combination of injury and natural deterioration means he ain't the best option at the moment. Hope SAF realises that.
this thread is just getting worse and worse
He he.
Noodles v FS at fisticuffs in Hull
Get it sorted Plech
Noodles v FS at fisticuffs in Hull
Get it sorted Plech
Yes. Why?
If someone from outer space opened this thread and it was the first thing he read since coming down to planet earth, he would wonder why we go around in circles.
He would take his spacehip to a roundabout and just go round and round and round and round, thinking that is what people on this planet do.
He would take his spacehip to a roundabout and just go round and round and round and round, thinking that is what people on this planet do.
That is why it is an "off season" all the more. This is the third his had, after many years of consistency, in his United stay (2002 was the first, the one when the eye got done in was the second) . Scholes doesn't need to tackle or defend well to survive alongside Hargreaves. He just needs to play well. When he did vs Fulham we saw how well the two can work together. On taking care of defending and the other attacking. Currently he isn't doing that consistently. Despite resting
I don't agree at all. Hargreaves' strength lies in defending in midfield. He needs no help with it. As long as he plays with some one who can take care of attacking he will flourish. He is the one partner an inform Scholes would flourish with the most. Some who can defend in midfield virtually on his own.
I agree he is unsuited to a helping role. But alongside Hargreaves such a role isn't needed in England vs most sides. Besides, no one is blaming Scholes. I'm just stating the obvious. He is not in form. Unfortunately for us
Agreed. He should use his best partnerships strictly: that is Scholes-Carrick, Hargreaves-Anderson, Fletcher-Carrick, rather than mixing and matching, this late in a season
Hello, Owen Hargreaves enthusiasts
Did I make the Michael Owen joke in this thread? or was that in one of the other ones?
I was quite proud of that
I was quite proud of that
Was it a barry good one?
Strangely, this is the post where I think this thread has become genuinely and really funny.
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