mascherano's clearly much better, he may be boring but he's one of the most effective midfielders around
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mascherano's clearly much better, he may be boring but he's one of the most effective midfielders around
Too early to make any fair comparison. Mascherano was spectacularly shit in his first season in the Premier League. If we're gonna compare like with like, then Hargreaves is the better player.
This may or may not turn out to be true but let's not be so hasty to make unfair comparisons between one of our players and one of our rivals'. Otherwise you risk another Captain Sensible/Dirk Kuyt scenario
True, he'd still probably get slated though if we have him instead of Hargreaves. We'd have to have a player like Cambiasso, who is equally adequate at defending and going forward to satisfy caftards.
Correct, the Roy Keane syndrome sadly
Not true at all.
I don't expect Hargreaves to be like Keane at all, I just expect him to be better than what he is at the moment.
Personally I would have loved to have seen Mascherano at United, but hey-ho, that's football.
He's not
This may or may not turn out to be true but let's not be so hasty to make unfair comparisons between one of our players and one of our rivals'. Otherwise you risk another Captain Sensible/Dirk Kuyt scenario
I thought he was a better player than he is, I never said he was better than our players
I call it how I see it, irrespective of who they play for. What's the point doing otherwise? I know I support United, I don't feel the need to prove it to a bunch of blokes I don't know by pretending all rival players are crap and all ours are amazing.
I'd agree with them though. Much rather a player with more strings to his bow, who can attack and defend. It's not just Keano, United have had loads of midfielders of that ilk, Edwards, Crerrand, Moses, Robbo, Ince, Keane. Dull specialist defensive midfielders have not usually been our way.
I don't think there's that much to choose between Mascherano and Hargreaves. Mascherano's probably a bit better, but he's a player Liverpool don't need, and it actually fecks them up a bit not playing Alonso and Gerrard as a regular midfield pairing in the league.
I'm glad Mascherano isn't at United, anyway, even though a couple of years ago I probably wouldn't have said that.
I'm glad Mascherano isn't at United, anyway, even though a couple of years ago I probably wouldn't have said that.
True. That sums up my opinion.
Who wouldnt though?
The problem is they are so rare in todays game, there are only a handful of Cambiassos and Essiens out there.
I suppose Nobby Stiles is an exception
Same here. In fact I didn't even want him then. I watched him at the WC and thought he was nothing like the sort of player you'd want at United. Mostly he just lays it off five yards.
Yeah, that's true.
Is Cambiasso that good?
Same here. In fact I didn't even want him then. I watched him at the WC and thought he was nothing like the sort of player you'd want at United. Mostly he just lays it off five yards.
Yeah, that's true.
Is Cambiasso that good?
Yeah, he's been the best DM this season bar none.
Mascherano is a bit different to Hargreaves though, imo he is better defensively, both positioning and tackling, his slide tackles are usually spot on whereas Hargreaves stays on his feet and tends to foul alot. Hargreaves might have a better passing range although he hasn't shown it yet, and he is very quick and should be able to bomb forward. Again he hasn't shown much of this yet, might be still trying to settle or restricted by tactics. But since both are DM, solid no nonsense defending should be the top priority.
Right on, Brother!
Mascherano is better in every department (yes that includes passing) apart from not being able to run around as fast for as long.
Seconded
He doesn't look like an Argentine footballer though, he looks like an Irish call centre manager
He doesn't look like an Argentine footballer though, he looks like an Irish call centre manager
Can't bear ours in looking Argie
Mascherano was playing out of position in his time at West Ham which was the reason why he never made any impact with them, and when he joined Liverpool he showed his class and gave a better balance to the midfield, and he played consistently well for Liverpool and still is imo.
Mascherano may not run around alot but his positional sense is what makes him the better defensive midfielder and he can pass the ball well, not saying Hargreaves is shit or anything but he needs to get his head sorted and not run like a headless chicken and use his positional sense for once so he doesn't have to give hundreds of foul near the box
He's an animal
Beg to differ, Liverpool's midfield has looked more un-balanced with Mascherano in the side. They looked much, much better with Alonso in the mix. Now there's a player who really can pass a ball, in stark contrast to Mascherano.
can't understand why Alonso doesn't get a game atm for them cnuts.
Lucas, i ask you, what does he contribute to a team over Alonso?
Lucas, i ask you, what does he contribute to a team over Alonso?
I get what you mean but I would loved to have had Cech over VDS when we got him but fact is VDS became an United player and I will back him to the hilt.
But anyway I was having a go at certain people who see no reason to have players like Hargreaves or Mascherano
brace yourselves for impact, Hargreaves is about to play football again.
lol this will be funny now.
Good freekick
sultan... a comment please
One free kick doesn't change the fact that he has been distinctly average this season.
Anyone who now jumps on the 'he's been great this season' bandwagon, just because of one goal is quite frankly stupid and very ignorant.
Good free kick mind.
Anyone who now jumps on the 'he's been great this season' bandwagon, just because of one goal is quite frankly stupid and very ignorant.
Good free kick mind.
He he
Chief 'll be doing his dance
Chief 'll be doing his dance
In truth the chief don't give a shit. Let the match finish. There is still time to lose it miserably, with awfull perfomances all around.
Summed up perfectly.
Great freekick.That's all.
playing well today. no dwelling.
There was a stage there were it was very tight, and he played himself out of it with good passing with park and Teveth. Doing well.
Still, he's let a fair few runners go unchallenged.
There was a stage there were it was very tight, and he played himself out of it with good passing with park and Teveth. Doing well.
Still, he's let a fair few runners go unchallenged.
Might have thought you would find fault. Is there no GAA on today?
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Manc superiority card, is it?
Manc superiority card, is it?
Mascherano can feck off an' all
Another player who everyone hails as being great, despite him being average at best, as well as completely pointless, and often counter productive
Another player who everyone hails as being great, despite him being average at best, as well as completely pointless, and often counter productive
Owen probably follows this thread
Sure is.
Owen probably follows this thread
I bet he does, I bet he just can;t wait to get to a computer to see what we think of his goal. Nice goal Owen
I bet he does, I bet he just can;t wait to get to a computer to see what we think of his goal. Nice goal Owen
very nice free kick. the perfect range for him. did some headless chicken stuff today but moved the ball a bit better. maybe it's coming around for him , but he'd still not be in my first 11. what he does give the club is another choice in midf when it's in 3-4 different comps.
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