All of the top list plus Brown, Fletcher and Nani have all been better, but it's very early days and he's been injured quite a bit. He's done ok. I just tend to wonder if that's just what he does - ok.
Hargreaves vs. Carrick, Feadingseagulls vs. Noodle, Chief (Bayern Fan!) vs. Logic
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Hargreaves is a good player, but we have too many CM's and I think the signing of him was uncessecary as Anderson was a way better purchase.
But then again, who knew Anderson would be a CM regular.
But then again, who knew Anderson would be a CM regular.
Rlph, Simpson is ridiculous. (not a judgement on the player, he's played feck all)
No, he was defending Hargreaves when it really was too early to make a judgment on him. Now as Hargreaves has become more and more peripheral to United this season he still continues to blindly defend him, I contend because he doesn't want to lose face.
I do however, agree with the Chief on one key point - it's too early to write Hargreaves off, he may prove to be fantastic for us. I just think at the moment, he's not on the same level as Anderson and Carrick.
Players that I think almost matchgoers and caftards would argue have been better than Hargeaves this season:
VDS
Rio
Vidic
Evra
Anderson
Carrick
Ronaldo
Rooney
Tevez
Players who I think most matchgoers and caftards would say have been at least as good as Hargreaves this season:
Brown
Nani
Scholes
Fletcher
Simpson
There's no way Danny Simpson has been as good as Hargreaves and it has only been the last few weeks that Nani has played with any kind of consistency. That apart I would tend to agree. In fairness to Hargreaves though he's suffered from not being able to string a number of games together.
I think Hargreaves can have a very big part to play if and when he can find full fitness and his best form. He will have to raise his game considerably from the level we have seen most of this season though. I was very impressed by the joy he took in our equaliser away to Lyon. He seemed to enjoy it more than most on the bench and it shows his real desire to succeed. Hopefully he will and this debate can be put to bed.
I'm not surprised with that, he'd got us into that situation in the first place so he could breathe a sigh of relief when those replacing his ineptitude got him out of jail. But it's a lot of money to spend on someone to dance about on the bench when United score. We could have got Bez for less.
As for Simpson, he cost £18m less than Hargreaves.
Disagree the signing was unnecessary, we clearly needed more midfield cover after last season's staggering over the finish line.
Hargreaves was a good signing, albeit an expensive one. As was Veron, Birtles and Neil Webb. Like the other three he's been very disappointing in his first season. Hopefully he'll come good though.
Pathetic.Cantona (Leeds 1991-1992)
Pld: 16 Goals: 6
O'Shea (United 2007/2008)
Pld: 27 Goals: 5
Cantona was never all about goalsNo. It simply suggests you can't accept he hasn't played any where near as badly as you claim.
Yeah! Why would you?
Good.
Which is very innaccurate. But hey it's your opinion.....
I haven't backed my self into any corner at all. My view on Hargreaves haven't changed from day one. He is playing well. In his first season. I would have been shocked if he had flown like an Anderson. Because his position is one in which serious adjusting is need when shifting cultures and leagues. There many matches this season in which he has performed very well or just ok. More consistenty than Carrick, who has gone from true shit in the first part of the seaso to sublime now.They are falling over themselves to praise Carrick for the form he has now. Yet every excuse under the sun was used to defend him when he was real shit before January first 2008. Even when he was indefensible. Which shows all the more the hypocrisy of the brigade criticising Hargreaves. Who has been far mroe consistent, in a season that is his first in England and in a season when he has been injured far more than Carrick
No need. You Forgive mine instead. I've always been shit at Geography
He hasn't dropped below any one in any pecking order. Fergie has been rotating his midfield, clearly.
No. I've actually been defending Hargreaves from baseless lies and slander. Little else
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Hargreaves hasn't become more and more pepripheral. In any shape or form.
Agreed. At the momment is the key word.
Others however insist it has always been the case. Without any valid basis for that.
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Scholes has been mostly poor, since returning from injury Fletcher, Nani and Simspon have hadrly got games..Players who I think most matchgoers and caftards would say have been at least as good as Hargreaves this season:
Brown
Nani
Scholes
Fletcher
Simpson
You can't spell Molde?
Anyway, I agree with you. Carrick had me convinced at this point last year, whereas Hargreaves has only had a few incidents where he's won the ball and looked the part that he's supposed to. A lot of the time he looks like he's started too late and quite a few times he wins the ball, looks decent, then plays himself into trouble, or someone else.
Hargreaves has something to prove. Let's hope the argument about the Champions League rings true, and that Hargreaves shows his class next week and throughout the latter stages.
to be fair OH has not played as much as carrick this season compared to last
How is that even a fair complaint against him.
How many players are REALLY worth 18M? I mean Hargreaves didn't set his price. Fergie set it because he was adamant about signing him. This obviously inflated his price.
I just don't see how you can hold Hargreaves accountable for his transfer fee.
Pathetic.
He only made 16 appearances though, which hardly makes him influential.
Hargreaves has been pretty consistent; consistently average.
It's interesting most regular match goers in this thread think Hargreaves has been average.
So it would be fair to say Hargreaves has done okay, though not brilliantly so far - however we paid far too much for him. Correct?
That sounds about right and that should end this tedious debate. He hasn't done as well as we all expected YET. Let's see how he kicks on next season......NEXT
16 games is about half a season. He was very crucial. In the same sense a Saha was crucial to us winning the title last season.
He only made 16 appearances though, which hardly makes him influential.
What the hell, we need some activity on the forum...
How has Hargreaves contribution been crucial?
We should end this discussion with this post which summarizes everything about OH perfectly.
Hargreaves contribution has been neccesary. Because it has enabled us to have strength in depth in mdfeild, and the ability to not miss men like Carrick and Scholes too badly when they've been injured. But to use the word crucial on it is an offence worthy of a firing squad
We could have got Bez for less.
We should too. They're allowing 7 subs next season. You can't tell me it wouldn't be worth giving Bez one of those every game. I mean John O'Shea gets one.
Sults opens mouth, inserts foot... & then retires gracefully.
Time to appreciate Hargreaves he was the correct signing
After the wake of Mascherano signing for Liverpool and then reading a few threads over the last few months such as Hargreaves one signing to many and Hargreaves is not the next Roy Keane I thought i'd put a few points up and see if i could bring some clarity to this matter!
Lets jog our memories back to the season before last. Our centre midfield pairing was Giggs and O'shea as Scholes was out (eye injury) and Fletcher was getting abuse from all quarters. We badly needed a centre midfielder that much was evident! Compared to the league champions Chelsea our midfield pool of players were a very poor comparision.
The following season we bought Carrick who was slightly over priced and we tried to also buy Hargreaves. Carrick came in and the Hargreaves signing was delayed, Carrick's impact was not individually spectacular but he forged a good understanding with Scholes and his passing and positioning sense raised the levels of the team by increasing the tempo of our attacks and also by shielding the back four, he offered us some defensive protection we'd been missing since Keane departed to Celtic.
That season we were fortunate enough to keep the partnership of Scholes and Carrick going for the majority of the season, that was a massive factor in the success we enjoyed.
Fast forward this season we now have cover for those 2 positions and i suspect we will need it as Scholes is not getting any younger, Hargreaves is a top drawer all be it different type of replacement; I know who i'd rather have playing away from home against Roma last seaon or Milan.
Granted like Carrick, Hargreaves price was inflated but three factors came into that price:
1. We are Manchester United (prices always get raised when we come in)
2. The world cup factor
3. Bayern didn't want to sell him!
So £17m wasn't overly ridiculous for a player who probably has the best years ahead of him.
With the emergence of Anderson and the remergence of Fletcher some fans are saying our midfield doesn't need Hargreaves and we could have saved £17m and spent it on a forward instead but thats Championship manager stuff not real life football!
I think personally Hargreaves was the correct signing at the time (i think he's better than Mascherano who cost roughly the same) and Scholes like Keane won't last forever so yes Hargreaves isn't the next Roy Keane but then Roy Keane wasn't the Next Bryan Robson but we came to love him. So I say it's time we start to appreciate what we have and that is a top drawer probably top 3 in his position in the world and into the bargain he's English. So i for 1 are delighted we signed him and i think he'll be a major player for us over the next 5-6 seasons!
After the wake of Mascherano signing for Liverpool and then reading a few threads over the last few months such as Hargreaves one signing to many and Hargreaves is not the next Roy Keane I thought i'd put a few points up and see if i could bring some clarity to this matter!
Lets jog our memories back to the season before last. Our centre midfield pairing was Giggs and O'shea as Scholes was out (eye injury) and Fletcher was getting abuse from all quarters. We badly needed a centre midfielder that much was evident! Compared to the league champions Chelsea our midfield pool of players were a very poor comparision.
The following season we bought Carrick who was slightly over priced and we tried to also buy Hargreaves. Carrick came in and the Hargreaves signing was delayed, Carrick's impact was not individually spectacular but he forged a good understanding with Scholes and his passing and positioning sense raised the levels of the team by increasing the tempo of our attacks and also by shielding the back four, he offered us some defensive protection we'd been missing since Keane departed to Celtic.
That season we were fortunate enough to keep the partnership of Scholes and Carrick going for the majority of the season, that was a massive factor in the success we enjoyed.
Fast forward this season we now have cover for those 2 positions and i suspect we will need it as Scholes is not getting any younger, Hargreaves is a top drawer all be it different type of replacement; I know who i'd rather have playing away from home against Roma last seaon or Milan.
Granted like Carrick, Hargreaves price was inflated but three factors came into that price:
1. We are Manchester United (prices always get raised when we come in)
2. The world cup factor
3. Bayern didn't want to sell him!
So £17m wasn't overly ridiculous for a player who probably has the best years ahead of him.
With the emergence of Anderson and the remergence of Fletcher some fans are saying our midfield doesn't need Hargreaves and we could have saved £17m and spent it on a forward instead but thats Championship manager stuff not real life football!
I think personally Hargreaves was the correct signing at the time (i think he's better than Mascherano who cost roughly the same) and Scholes like Keane won't last forever so yes Hargreaves isn't the next Roy Keane but then Roy Keane wasn't the Next Bryan Robson but we came to love him. So I say it's time we start to appreciate what we have and that is a top drawer probably top 3 in his position in the world and into the bargain he's English. So i for 1 are delighted we signed him and i think he'll be a major player for us over the next 5-6 seasons!
Seconded!
we were desperately looking for a CM 2 seasons ago, and people moan because the lack of midfielder, now they moan because we have one to many.
How time has changed.
we were desperately looking for a CM 2 seasons ago, and people moan because the lack of midfielder, now they moan because we have one to many.
How time has changed.
Make him Captain.
Couldn't you just have put this in one of the other countless Hargreaves threads ? There really doesn't need to be a new one as it will just descend into a 10 page, 400 post thread about whether or not he is any good and if he or Carrick is better.
Couldn't you have zipped your yap?
Good post.
Maybe it could have gone in one of the other 25-page Carrick vs Hargreaves bickerfest threads but then I wouldn't have read it. And I'm glad I did, that's a perfect summary of events.
We don't moan because we have too many as you can never have too much cover,we moan because we have spent 17million on a distinctly average midfielder who offers nothing that we didn't already have.
Good post, Thank you.
yeah, I just don't rate Hargreraves as a footballer. what now?
(we'll get another 25 pages out of this yet)
Hargreaves is not better than Mascherano. He can run around a bit more, but that's about it.
And no, this isn't me saying that Hargreaves is shit or what not, I'm just saying that Mascherano is better.
And no, this isn't me saying that Hargreaves is shit or what not, I'm just saying that Mascherano is better.
Good post and I agree with most of it, shame majority of the Caftards will ignore what you say.
In any case Mascherano is probably a better defensive midfielder. However if I was trying to second guess Ferguson I would probably say Mascherano was too static for SAF's liking.
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