Southampton and Ipswich are basically down. I really think we can be better than Everton, Wolves and Leicester. Hey, maybe Ruud is on a kamikaze mission for us?
Half way through the season. How are you feeling?
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It feels like karma has decided to hit us after years of getting through by the skin of our teeth with the Glazers and Woodward and their horrific decisions.
We have such a bad attack that it lets everything down massively.
We have such a bad attack that it lets everything down massively.
I thought we punched above our weight performance wise last season. Our final position flattered us somewhat.
Then I thought we had an ok transfer market.
Thought we would finish top half of the table.
ETH had to go.
Also think we needed a new style of football to give us some structure.
3-4-3 won’t win you the league but it might get us top half if he stops making stupid player selections. If he doesn’t I think we will finish 14th and that’s probably a fair reflection on what we look like.
Then I thought we had an ok transfer market.
Thought we would finish top half of the table.
ETH had to go.
Also think we needed a new style of football to give us some structure.
3-4-3 won’t win you the league but it might get us top half if he stops making stupid player selections. If he doesn’t I think we will finish 14th and that’s probably a fair reflection on what we look like.
It'd be the worst case of poetic irony ever if we get relegated instead of Everton.Southampton and Ipswich are basically down. I really think we can be better than Everton, Wolves and Leicester. Hey, maybe Ruud is on a kamikaze mission for us?
Feeling like cancelling my Now subscription and streaming for free instead. I mean, we're utter dross atm and I could be investing that money into stocks.
New manager with a actual plan. Granted we don't have the personnel to execute that plan and that will come in time. Just sit back and enjoy the newfound excitement of a relegation scrap. If we'd have a mini run after the appointment like we did with Ole that could fool the people at the top about the actual quality of the squad. So I think this horror run we're on at the moment could actually benefit us going forward.
Between the Liverpool game and the Arsenal game in March we have a run of 7 matches where we should be picking up a decent amount of points. Granted we look like we could lose to anybody, but you’d hope those games provide something resembling breathing space…maybe
That first half against Newcastle was shocking and it really shouldn’t be shocking at this point but it was.
The Arsenal FA cup game after Liverpool means nothing at this point sadly. Improving gradually in the league and hoping for the best in the Europa League is all I can hope for at the moment.
Sadly, I feel the lack of goals will still be an issue even if we fix the defence and midfield. Grim times!
The Arsenal FA cup game after Liverpool means nothing at this point sadly. Improving gradually in the league and hoping for the best in the Europa League is all I can hope for at the moment.
Sadly, I feel the lack of goals will still be an issue even if we fix the defence and midfield. Grim times!
Pretty sick
I didn’t think it could get worse. Amorim needs to change this shitty system. The players can’t play it. We cannot play out from the back. We are really vulnerable to a high press. The keeper plays it to the side, he’s under pressure, so hoofs it upfield. We lose it. What’s the point? Keeper may as well hoof it. But to answer the original question, pretty pissed off as there doesn’t seem to be an answer
It’s hard to be anything more than despondent.
When we appointed Amorim, it seemed the perfect fit. A charismatic people person manager who could galvanise us and keep us ‘United’ but also has the balls to drop those who don’t work for us. I still hold onto this view but it’s looking more of an overly-optimistic yarn by the day.
INEOS have given us nothing to be positive about. They removed the guy with positive cache who maybe seemed like someone who could get us ticking structurally. Wilcox is meant to be decent, and did well in City’s academy, but his DoF stint at Southampton was a bit meh. He got the wage bill down but he brought in a manager with lots of negatives to his name (Russell Martin) and the signings were not inspired.
As for Vivell, I have little faith that he’s the guy that can revolutionise our scouting department. Chelsea ditched him. I’m not massively convinced by his signings for the RB clubs, who have a stronger structure than us.
Our under 18s remain the bright spot of the club but only one has gotten anywhere near our first team so far. Maybe Amorim just wants to protect them through the ‘storm’ and introduce them when we have a stronger base. I really hope this is true and that it isn’t that he doesn’t rate our youngsters.
A wholesale clear out sounds good in some ways but I’m not sure it’s feasible. Some players we will need to pay to go. Some we will have to pay for beyond their departure as we haven’t paid their full transfer fees yet. Arsenal did this with the likes of Pepe and Aubameyang, sure, but they were in a much stronger position financially. They could replace these players.
We might get fed up with Bruno and want him gone but we’d only get like £20m max for him and, despite his faults, will struggle to replace his output for such a paltry sum.
We are in an absolute mess. Diabolical. Any notion of a 3 year project to win the league seems silly now.
Maybe Amorim is right. The club needs a shock. We need to expect less, endure a storm and rebuild the foundations before we can add the rest. Maybe we become a Brighton for a while - cheap unknown signings, low expectations, set a small cap on transfer fees and wages. Then build up gradually with us in a much healthier position.
I just hope we’ve bet on the right horses at the top. Amorim is an amazing person; I’d dearly love it to be him. But I still wonder if it’s right guy, wrong time and the scale of the journey will eat him up.
When we appointed Amorim, it seemed the perfect fit. A charismatic people person manager who could galvanise us and keep us ‘United’ but also has the balls to drop those who don’t work for us. I still hold onto this view but it’s looking more of an overly-optimistic yarn by the day.
INEOS have given us nothing to be positive about. They removed the guy with positive cache who maybe seemed like someone who could get us ticking structurally. Wilcox is meant to be decent, and did well in City’s academy, but his DoF stint at Southampton was a bit meh. He got the wage bill down but he brought in a manager with lots of negatives to his name (Russell Martin) and the signings were not inspired.
As for Vivell, I have little faith that he’s the guy that can revolutionise our scouting department. Chelsea ditched him. I’m not massively convinced by his signings for the RB clubs, who have a stronger structure than us.
Our under 18s remain the bright spot of the club but only one has gotten anywhere near our first team so far. Maybe Amorim just wants to protect them through the ‘storm’ and introduce them when we have a stronger base. I really hope this is true and that it isn’t that he doesn’t rate our youngsters.
A wholesale clear out sounds good in some ways but I’m not sure it’s feasible. Some players we will need to pay to go. Some we will have to pay for beyond their departure as we haven’t paid their full transfer fees yet. Arsenal did this with the likes of Pepe and Aubameyang, sure, but they were in a much stronger position financially. They could replace these players.
We might get fed up with Bruno and want him gone but we’d only get like £20m max for him and, despite his faults, will struggle to replace his output for such a paltry sum.
We are in an absolute mess. Diabolical. Any notion of a 3 year project to win the league seems silly now.
Maybe Amorim is right. The club needs a shock. We need to expect less, endure a storm and rebuild the foundations before we can add the rest. Maybe we become a Brighton for a while - cheap unknown signings, low expectations, set a small cap on transfer fees and wages. Then build up gradually with us in a much healthier position.
I just hope we’ve bet on the right horses at the top. Amorim is an amazing person; I’d dearly love it to be him. But I still wonder if it’s right guy, wrong time and the scale of the journey will eat him up.
This is what I'm clinging on to as well
Better teams than us have gone down. Leicester a few seasons ago comes to mind.
Currently showing relegation form. Only two teams have picked up fewer points in the last 5 games and they are in 19th and 20th on the table. We rank 16th out of 20 for goals scored. Only 21 goals in 19 games and 26 conceded.
Woeful season so far. Of the four teams directly below us Crystal Palace have gained 5 points on us over the past five games, Everton have gained 3, Wolves have gained 4 and Ipswich have gained 3. If we can't get out of the current slump we'll be even closer to the relegation zone. Can't see where the next win is coming from given our current form. I wouldn't put money on us even against Southampton!
Woeful season so far. Of the four teams directly below us Crystal Palace have gained 5 points on us over the past five games, Everton have gained 3, Wolves have gained 4 and Ipswich have gained 3. If we can't get out of the current slump we'll be even closer to the relegation zone. Can't see where the next win is coming from given our current form. I wouldn't put money on us even against Southampton!
Maybe a relegation is the only way to do a cultural reset.
Wondering if the light at the end of tunnel is a train?
I thought that about the run we’ve just been through. We’d expect to get at least a point from Notts Forest, Bournemouth, Newcastle at home and Wolves away.
We’ve looked so far off the pace in the last 3 games. Looks like the players have absolutely zero ideas and no want to put any sort of effort in.
It’s a shit feeling walking to the ground with zero optimism, knowing what I’m about to watch. Worse trying to convince my 6 year old that we didn’t used to be so horrific.
Echoing this post so long as we avoid relegation. Relegation would condemn us to the deepest pit of fire in hell instead of it purifying us.
Jan is usually beaming about Man United. Was a little surprised to see this.
He's an Ole stan
Very deflated. 22 points from 19 games means we are in a relegation fight. The whole club is a mess, and right now it’s difficult to see any light at the end of the tunnel. We need a few wins to settle everyone down, then the club needs to help Amorim re-build. Sadly, the biggest problem, the owners, will still be there.
You look at the players we let go last summer - Varane, Amrabat, McTominay, AWB - all of them would improve us now.
McTominay scored important goals and occupied defenders, made runs off the ball, had an aerial threat. Varane was a calming presence at the back. Amrabat never really got a chance in centre mid but when he did, he helped win us a cup final. He was easily better than what we saw today from Casemiro and Eriksen, just an abysmal excuse for a double pivot. Saudi league levels of running.
We've sold players over the years who were not good enough to win the league or even challenge top four, but who are ultimately better than most of the garbage we're left with.
McTominay scored important goals and occupied defenders, made runs off the ball, had an aerial threat. Varane was a calming presence at the back. Amrabat never really got a chance in centre mid but when he did, he helped win us a cup final. He was easily better than what we saw today from Casemiro and Eriksen, just an abysmal excuse for a double pivot. Saudi league levels of running.
We've sold players over the years who were not good enough to win the league or even challenge top four, but who are ultimately better than most of the garbage we're left with.
I've stopped caring for the sake of my mental and emotional health.
If there is one thing being a United fan has taught me over the last 12 years - it's that things can always get worse, and most of the time they do.
My hope now is that the so-called "best in class" senior executive team will start earning their corn and that they will somehow right this sinking ship. But I'm not holding my breath.
That prick Salah will be licking his lips in anticipation of dishing out yet another thrashing.
If there is one thing being a United fan has taught me over the last 12 years - it's that things can always get worse, and most of the time they do.
My hope now is that the so-called "best in class" senior executive team will start earning their corn and that they will somehow right this sinking ship. But I'm not holding my breath.
That prick Salah will be licking his lips in anticipation of dishing out yet another thrashing.
Excited for the run-in, in all the wrong ways.
Worse than initially thought.
Southampton at home
I didn't sleep at all last night. The worries about United have been running around in my head.
- Our position in the league.
- Is United in danger of relegation?
- The money, which is clearly gone.
- Amorim and his tactical decisions against Newcastle were so worrying. Everyone, except Amorim, could see that things would go wrong with Eriksen and Casermiro together in those positions. He himself could only see it too late and switch Mainoo in to support them.
- That we will lose the next 2 games again.
I think I will have to take a break from United games. Otherwise, I have watched all their matches for so many years and have only missed them because weddings or other important events. But their current form is too much and I don't want to see them lose big to Liverpool and Arsenal. I hope I can refrain from watching the 2 games.
- Our position in the league.
- Is United in danger of relegation?
- The money, which is clearly gone.
- Amorim and his tactical decisions against Newcastle were so worrying. Everyone, except Amorim, could see that things would go wrong with Eriksen and Casermiro together in those positions. He himself could only see it too late and switch Mainoo in to support them.
- That we will lose the next 2 games again.
I think I will have to take a break from United games. Otherwise, I have watched all their matches for so many years and have only missed them because weddings or other important events. But their current form is too much and I don't want to see them lose big to Liverpool and Arsenal. I hope I can refrain from watching the 2 games.
We will struggle in the league, but find a way to win the Europa league to secure Champions League qualification.
The season was a total car-crash the moment we decided to keep EtH.
Amorim has a completely impossible task on his hands, the only solace is that these games from now until the end of the season are essentially practice matches.
And no...we will not get relegated. On current trajectory, we'll need about 30-34 points to survive. We have 5 of the bottom 8 (one of which is us) to play at Old Trafford.
So far under Amorim we have actually had a very tough set of fixtures to implement a new system...Forest (2nd), Bournemouth (6th), Newcastle (5th), Arsenal (3rd) and City at the Etihad
Amorim has a completely impossible task on his hands, the only solace is that these games from now until the end of the season are essentially practice matches.
And no...we will not get relegated. On current trajectory, we'll need about 30-34 points to survive. We have 5 of the bottom 8 (one of which is us) to play at Old Trafford.
So far under Amorim we have actually had a very tough set of fixtures to implement a new system...Forest (2nd), Bournemouth (6th), Newcastle (5th), Arsenal (3rd) and City at the Etihad
Nothing! There’s no emotion left for this bunch of losers walking around the pitch when opposition is sprinting
Like everyone else very very deflated. Every year we think this is rock bottom and it cant get any worse yet it’s somehow worse every year. Surely this is rock bottom and it cant get any worse?
We are lucky that Southampton are having possibly the worst ever premier league season so relegation is unlikely. There are several teams who have been relegated after 22points in 19 games so it wouldnt be that surprising to go down.
We are lucky that Southampton are having possibly the worst ever premier league season so relegation is unlikely. There are several teams who have been relegated after 22points in 19 games so it wouldnt be that surprising to go down.
I’m quite surprised at how bad we’ve been.
I knew we would be bad under ETH, so that came as no surprise to me, but things did actually look like they were picking up in the first couple games under Amorim, but now we appear to have reverted to type, by that I mean the same slow, low energy, low attacking threat football we’ve been accustomed to for a while now.
I believe in Amorim, because in the few matches that I have managed to watch where I thought we were good, I can see what he is trying to achieve, which is more than I can say for ETH.
That being said, there does come a point where you need to dig in and try to get some results. Not only for the sake of his own job, but also to build some confidence in the players. The players aren’t going to feel confident with this next system if they’re losing every week, and the fanbase is going to be edgy and things like the boos yesterday are going to become more common. How he does that, I’m not sure, but that’s on him to figure out.
I knew we would be bad under ETH, so that came as no surprise to me, but things did actually look like they were picking up in the first couple games under Amorim, but now we appear to have reverted to type, by that I mean the same slow, low energy, low attacking threat football we’ve been accustomed to for a while now.
I believe in Amorim, because in the few matches that I have managed to watch where I thought we were good, I can see what he is trying to achieve, which is more than I can say for ETH.
That being said, there does come a point where you need to dig in and try to get some results. Not only for the sake of his own job, but also to build some confidence in the players. The players aren’t going to feel confident with this next system if they’re losing every week, and the fanbase is going to be edgy and things like the boos yesterday are going to become more common. How he does that, I’m not sure, but that’s on him to figure out.
I think everything affects everything. It may well be that if we start fixing our defending, that our attack will have a solid base to build on and may not really need fixing. So it looks hopeless, but I hope that with a good manager which Amorim seems to be, we will improve enough soon enough.
They wouldn’t though, we were right to let all of them go. There’s no place for AWB in this system, Varane retired because of injury, Amrabat and Mctominay weren’t good enough. Mctominay got bullied by Newcastle last year, Joelinton made him look like a schoolboy.
The problem is we’re stuck with absolute dross we can’t sell, having more players who aren’t good enough wouldn’t make much difference. The mistakes are buying people like Mount, Antony and Casemiro and it being such a financial burden we can’t do anything about it.
This has been coming for years, I don’t know what rock bottom will be but maybe it happens this season. We need to purge our squad and start again but I don’t think many of these players leave until their contracts expire.
Maybe we’ll scrape into the top half or stay roughly where we are give or take but I think we have a few seasons of finishing 8th or lower ahead of us unless we recruit some really good players for decent fees.
Conte win the league with chelsea in his 1st season
The league table does not lie. We are where we should be. By February/March, we'll know whether we are going to be involved in a relegation battle or not. We have only ourselves to blame. The last 11 years have been a textbook manual for how to dismantle a big club and the chickens are coming home to roost now.
Worse feeling I ever had since the mid 90's when I starting supporting the club. Thought the Rangnick period was the lowest point and it can't get lower than that, guess I was wrong.
Marginal Pains. I'm finding it difficult to justify supporting this shower.
Felt a lot more hopeless last season personally. I like this manager and believe in him. That disappeared under Ten Hag towards the end of his first season.