Gun control

Carolina Red said:
Not to be "that guy", but the .223 that an AR15 fires is a "low caliber" round in the realm of rifles. They sell up to .308 and .30-06 rifles at Walmart. The .308 is the US military mid-range sniper round and the .30-06 won WWII and can kill anything in the lower 48 states.
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See here I am trying to be semi-diplomatic and provide an element of context to the hunting aspect and you come along and point out I'm being too kind!

langster said:
Yeah, I've seen that on TV, funnily enough it was right next to the sporting goods, that were right next to the toy department. :wenger: Personally I would find it extremely unnerving if I saw people walking around armed to the teeth like those in the store in the pic I posted above.
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Yea it'd scare the shit out of me seeing feckwits like that openly carrying just for the sake of it.

A plain clothes defective walked in front of me on the way into a diner last year with a gun on his hip and it made me double take. Seeing hillbillies like that is terrifying.
 
Rado_N said:
Yea it'd scare the shit out of me seeing feckwits like that openly carrying just for the sake of it.
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Glad it's not just me then :lol:

Rado_N said:
A plain clothes defective walked in front of me on the way into a diner last year with a gun on his hip and it made me double take. Seeing hillbillies like that is terrifying.
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Did you see my edit? Feck, @Carolina Red must think we are all menthol :lol:
 
langster said:
Edit. We saw some armed Police at the Torbay Air Show a couple of weeks ago and almost everyone that saw they were armed (only with Glocs) made a comment or stopped to stare as they walked by :lol:
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Mate there were armed coppers all over Manchester after the arena bombing, it was really surreal.
 
Rado_N said:
Mate there were armed coppers all over Manchester after the arena bombing, it was really surreal.
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:( I bet. Sadly, I think it's going to become more commonplace now, especially cities and any type of big event. It's just so strange and not something I like the thought of having to get used to.
 
I'd like torun for politics but those sent dick pics and the skanks I've shagged would be my donwfall.

I guess I could be outright honest from the get go and just blame it on "being a guy" and "chasing tail/drinking/partying" and "locker room talk."
 
MrMarcello said:
I'd like torun for politics but those sent dick pics and the skanks I've shagged would be my donwfall.

I guess I could be outright honest from the get go and just blame it on "being a guy" and "chasing tail/drinking/partying" and "locker room talk."
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After 2016 anything is possible
 
ivaldo said:
Yup. You can teach as much common sense as you like but ultimately there will always be a degree of human error, however small. The only way to remove gun violence is to remove guns.
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I'm not necessarily pro gun removal. However, the unrestricted gun culture in the US is problematic. Want a gun for home defense? Get a shotgun. You don't need to be packing a glock, or a desert eagle in your glove compartment. I also don't think people need high capacity semi-automatic "sports" rifles. Only a lunatic hunts with an AR-15, and only a lunatic drives around with an AR-15 under the seat of his pickup truck.

The problem as I see it, with US gun culture, is that people who tend to be very pro gun, tend to think that every solution where the law is being broken, can and should be resolved with a gun.

Here is something most people don't really consider. Most criminals, let's say 99% are not looking to kill you, your friends, or your families. They are predators, and like any predator, they want to acquire something illegally via the least risk possible. If you are being robbed at gun point, they want your wallet. If you pull a gun out, the situation has just escalated to a confrontation that is almost 100% going to end in shots fired and possible fatalities.

The question is, is your wallet worth risking your life over? Is your TV worth risking your life over? While you have the right to shoot these people legally in most situations, the moment you begin to escalate the situation to threat of lethal force, you've crossed a line that that criminal would not have crossed without you pushing him/her across it.

The easy access of firearms also escalates crimes of passion from battery, to murder. Man finds his wife cheating, no gun? He might batter her. Gun? He might shoot her. Two guys argue at an intersection? No gun? They might brawl. Gun? They might shoot each other.

How many armed robberies end in shooting deaths? Not many. I bet the majority that do, are because the victim of the robbery was armed. The simple fact is, criminals tend to kill other criminals in targeted attacks, and civilians tend to get shot in indiscriminate attacks. Having a glock on you, isn't going to save you if someone drives by at 45 km and unloads a magazine in your general direction.
 
Nucks said:
I'm not necessarily pro gun removal. However, the unrestricted gun culture in the US is problematic. Want a gun for home defense? Get a shotgun. You don't need to be packing a glock, or a desert eagle in your glove compartment. I also don't think people need high capacity semi-automatic "sports" rifles. Only a lunatic hunts with an AR-15, and only a lunatic drives around with an AR-15 under the seat of his pickup truck.

The problem as I see it, with US gun culture, is that people who tend to be very pro gun, tend to think that every solution where the law is being broken, can and should be resolved with a gun.

Here is something most people don't really consider. Most criminals, let's say 99% are not looking to kill you, your friends, or your families. They are predators, and like any predator, they want to acquire something illegally via the least risk possible. If you are being robbed at gun point, they want your wallet. If you pull a gun out, the situation has just escalated to a confrontation that is almost 100% going to end in shots fired and possible fatalities.

The question is, is your wallet worth risking your life over? Is your TV worth risking your life over? While you have the right to shoot these people legally in most situations, the moment you begin to escalate the situation to threat of lethal force, you've crossed a line that that criminal would not have crossed without you pushing him/her across it.

The easy access of firearms also escalates crimes of passion from battery, to murder. Man finds his wife cheating, no gun? He might batter her. Gun? He might shoot her. Two guys argue at an intersection? No gun? They might brawl. Gun? They might shoot each other.

How many armed robberies end in shooting deaths? Not many. I bet the majority that do, are because the victim of the robbery was armed. The simple fact is, criminals tend to kill other criminals in targeted attacks, and civilians tend to get shot in indiscriminate attacks. Having a glock on you, isn't going to save you if someone drives by at 45 km and unloads a magazine in your general direction.
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I agree with the majority of this, but with the caveat that having a Glock on me did prevent me from being carjacked once.
 
Carolina Red said:
I agree with the majority of this, but with the caveat that having a Glock on me did prevent me from being carjacked once.
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I know two people who have discharged their fire arms in what they thought was the defense of their homes. One completely justified. One lucky he did not kill his dog and/or his teenage son, there were no burglars.
 
JustAFan said:
I know two people who have discharged their fire arms in what they thought was the defense of their homes. One completely justified. One lucky he did not kill his dog and/or his teenage son, there were no burglars.
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Oy vey :annoyed:

This goes along with what I'd said earlier about gun safety rules, but also along with the work of people like Jeff Cooper. In his book Principles of Self Defense he laid out the idea of the "combat mindset" that one must be in when in a self defense situation (whether they are armed or not) and created a color-coding system to describe the different mindsets one can be in at any given time.

White: unaware and unprepared (if attacked in this state, your chances are slim)
Yellow: Relaxed but alert (you should basically always be in this, especially if armed)
Orange: Alert to a possible threat (something is suspicious/wrong/endangering you)
Red: Fight
Black: (additional level added by the USMC) Engaged in combat

He created this and published it to help people understand, and to give a structure to, how they must think during a self defense situation. When people just jump directly from White to Red, they make the mistakes like the one the person you know did.
 
Well... ain't that something. Texas is going all medieval

(CNN)Starting this fall, adults in Texas can openly carry knives with blades longer than 5.5 inches.

In fact, swords, spears, daggers, sabers, bowie knives and machetes are all perfectly fine to tote around. Pretty much anything you can whip out in a Dungeons and Dragons battle is fair game.
Texas Gov. Greg Abbott signed the bill into law last month, but it doesn't go into effect until September 1.
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/13/us/te...N071417texas-sword-knives-law-trnd1124AMStory
 
Loco in Detroit area (Novi) @Eboue

Women (Both caucasian) fighting over the 'last' binder in a Walmart hunting for school supplies, obviously gun is drawn
 
Some will say too early to discuss this but when should it be discussed?
How can it be legal for someone to carry "numerous firearms" into a hotel?
Just witnessed the deadliest mass shooting in US history.
Can someone explain this 2nd amendment to me?
 
Adisa said:
Some will say too early to discuss this but when should it be discussed?
How can it be legal for someone to carry "numerous firearms" into a hotel?
Just witnessed the deadliest mass shooting in US history.
Can someone explain this 2nd amendment to me?
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50% of American's like guns, a lot, much more than they care about people being hurt by guns. Oh, and the NRA holds a tonne of political power.

Much of their problems with police violence would also be solved imho if the police felt that they were they weaponised party with the upper hand.
 
From the BBC:

'Nevada has some of the least stringent gun laws in the United States.
People are allowed to carry weapons and do not have to register themselves as a gun-owner.
Background checks are done when people buy guns, but they are also allowed to sell them privately.
The state does not ban assault weapons, which are automatic or semi-automatic firearms, and there are no limits on buying ammunition there.'

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Insert logic and reason here.

Replace with insanity there.
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JASR said:
which are automatic
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Those are regulated by the FBI and are insanely small in number.

If this guy did this with a legally acquired fully automatic weapon, and he was definitely firing full auto, then it is the first time it has ever happened, to my knowledge.
 
JASR said:
From the BBC:

'Nevada has some of the least stringent gun laws in the United States.
People are allowed to carry weapons and do not have to register themselves as a gun-owner.
Background checks are done when people buy guns, but they are also allowed to sell them privately.
The state does not ban assault weapons, which are automatic or semi-automatic firearms, and there are no limits on buying ammunition there.'

<rant>
Insert logic and reason here.

Replace with insanity there.
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Doesn't really matter too much. State lines aren't controlled borders so the country is basically as weak as it's weakest link.
 
Why nothing will happen. I think the country is broken. Hope we never reach this point in the UK.
 
Adisa said:
Why nothing will happen. I think the country is broken. Hope we never reach this point in the UK.
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Imagine hearing about a horrific event like this happening in your country and immediately wanting to log onto twitter in order slag off people with a liberal mindset?

Do this people not realise how fecking insane they appear? :wenger:
 
Trump lifted Obama's very mild gun restrictions that made it more difficult for those with mental health issues to buy guns.

I'm positive this one is going to bite trump hard. And it should.
 
Nogbadthebad said:
Trump lifted Obama's very mild gun restrictions that made it more difficult for those with mental health issues to buy guns.

I'm positive this one is going to bite trump hard. And it should.
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I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
50% of American's like guns, a lot, much more than they care about people being hurt by guns. Oh, and the NRA holds a tonne of political power.

Much of their problems with police violence would also be solved imho if the police felt that they were they weaponised party with the upper hand.
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No, more like 10%.

Problem is, they own enough weapons to arm every man, woman and child in the US, and a lot more people who don't own firearms themselves are sympathetic to that pathetic cause because 'Big Brother'.
 
Actual exchange with a Trump supporting colleague...

"Extreme vetting to empty the melting pot will rid this"

---What? The shooter was a white American

"The woman who helped him is foreign"
 
Carolina Red said:
Actual exchange with a Trump supporting colleague...

"Extreme vetting to empty the melting pot will rid this"

---What? The shooter was a white American

"The woman who helped him is foreign"
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Please tell me you made that up.:lol:
 
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