Gun control

JustAFan said:
Indeed there is and don't think anyone here has suggested it. Just somebody is making huge jumps even trying to equate people to the Nazi's.
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You could have answered my post above where I explained why I don't think to have done so. You say I made that connection to play the Nazi card and bully a user, I say I made it because there simply is a connection (again: not an identity), and it's important in this context.

One doesn't have to look very far to see why it's an issue here. Here's your post from further above:
JustAFan said:
I know this will sound heartless, but I do with they had pulled this stunt BEFORE deciding to procreate. Not just for the two kids who have lost a father and will have a mother behind bars, but those are some genes that did not need to be passed on to the next generation.
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I still perceive that as some kind of tongue-in-cheek joke that uses the same schtick as the Darwin Awards. I'm sure they are actually the reason this kind of humour is pretty popular by now. In their own words:
The prime tenet of the Darwin Awards is that we are celebrating the self-removal of incompetent genetic material from the human race. Therefore, the potential winner must be deceased, or at least incapable of reproducing. The traditional method is death. However, an occasional rebel opts for sterilization, which allows her more time to enjoy the dubious notoriety of winning a Darwin Award.
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The purpose of Darwin Awards is to applaud victims for removing their genes from the gene pool. This act can have varying degrees of merit, depending upon whether the victim has procreated, and if so, how frequently. Removing ones genes from the pool clearly has less merit if the genes have already been passed on to several offspring, unless you can rely on the offspring to also find creative ways of eliminating their genes before they reproduce.
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http://www.darwinawards.com/rules/rules1.html

So I don't have to invent some kind of connection of this with biologism and euthanasia - that very connection is what's considered to make it so funny. Which doesn't make anyone an actual Nazi, I'm well aware of the difference @Ødegaard mentioned (plus many others), as well as the difference between the real thing and degrading, but inconsequential humour. But it's certainly an example for 'a little thrill people get out of barbarism without really meaning it', as I put it earlier.
 
Synco said:
Sorry, but there's a reason social darwinism was a fundamental principle of Nazi ideology. That's why up until now I thought the Darwinism references were only tasteless jokes, a little thrill people get out of barbarism without really meaning it. But do you actually think mankind will be improved by getting rid of humans 'unfit' to live?
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No I don't, but there is enough pain and suffering in the world that people go through at no fault of their own, It seems like every week lately there's another tragedy and I genuinely am struggling to have compassion for people who bring shit on themselves when there are millions who don't yet suffer horribly.
 
Oh you are assuming we all got a thrill out of this now? It seems you have an axe to grind and want to fill in a lot of things people have not even expressed. :rolleyes:


Also which posters besides you mentioned social Darwinism?
 
Jesus, it takes something special to take a thread about gun control into a downward spiral.
 
http://wspa.com/2017/07/02/man-sits-on-gun-in-car-shoots-himself-in-penis-police-say/

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. (AP) – A Florida man accidentally shot himself in the penis when he sat down on a gun in the driver’s seat in his car.

http://wspa.com/2017/07/02/man-facing-murder-charges-in-road-rage-slaying-of-teen/

WEST CHESTER, Pa. (AP) — A Pennsylvania man was in custody Sunday for what a prosecutor called the “savage” and “senseless” death of a recent high school graduate shot in the head during a road rage confrontation as the two tried to merge in a single lane.
 
Just so much needless and avoidable tragedy, all the fecking time. To make matters much worse, you now have a President that is encouraging and celebrating violence, things are only going to get far worse. Unfortunately. Damn.
 
Carolina Red said:
"Be certain of your target and what is beyond it"

Simple gun safety I was taught as a child would have prevented that tragedy.
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I was always told to never point a gun at another person, whether loaded or unloaded, unless you intend to pull the trigger. Hell, my grandpa would scold me if I so much as pointed a BB gun or toy gun at another person. And this man had killed people in 'Nam (he was a LRRP so you know he saw plenty of bloodshed and violence),
 
MrMarcello said:
I was always told to never point a gun at another person, whether loaded or unloaded, unless you intend to pull the trigger. Hell, my grandpa would scold me if I so much as pointed a BB gun or toy gun at another person. And this man had killed people in 'Nam (he was a LRRP so you know he saw plenty of bloodshed and violence),
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Same here from my dad. I always knew that they weren't for playing with.
 
Carolina Red said:
"Be certain of your target and what is beyond it"

Simple gun safety I was taught as a child would have prevented that tragedy.
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The problem with this sentiment, is that you are assuming people are always clear minded, cool headed, and using cold hard logic.

That isn't the case. People are drunk or otherwise impaired. People can get so furious, or so scared, or so stoned, or so drunk, that logic and clear thinking goes out the window. In Canada for example, while the possibility for a road rage escalating to gun play exists, normally its just fisty-cuffs. Two guys rage, throw some punches and then they cool down. In the US, with the prevalence handguns, that same rage can and does escalate to gun play far more frequently, that moment of madness if you will. There is a finality and immediacy to guns that just doesn't exist with fists, or bats, or knives.
 
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Nucks said:
The problem with this sentiment, is that you are assuming people are always clear minded, cool headed, and using cold hard logic.

That isn't the case. People are drunk or otherwise impaired. People can get so furious, or so scared, or so stoned, or so drunk, that logic and clear thinking goes out the window. In Canada for example, while the possibility for a road rage escalating to gun play exists, normally its just fisty-cuffs. Two guys rage, throw some punches and then they cool down. In the US, with the prevalence handguns, that same rage can and does escalate to gun play far more frequently, that moment of madness if you will. There is a finality and immediacy to guns that just doesn't exist with fists, or bats, or knives.
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Yup. You can teach as much common sense as you like but ultimately there will always be a degree of human error, however small. The only way to remove gun violence is to remove guns.
 
Nucks said:
The problem with this sentiment, is that you are assuming people are always clear minded, cool headed, and using cold hard logic.
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I'm not assuming people do the right thing 100% of the time. I'm simply stating that a person not following a simple rule led to that unfortunate event.

I don't live in an NRA fairy tale.
ivaldo said:
The only way to remove gun violence is to remove guns.
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I agree, but that won't happen.
 
Carolina Red said:
Edit: Also, can I point out that they're shopping at Target?
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Do you know how much I LOLLED when I heard how some people pronounce that stores name like tar-jait, trying to make it sound all posh and that :lol: You are a funny bunch, you really are :lol:

Saying that, I just watched Part 1 of Robert Redford's The West. Wowzers, i'm truly hooked. It's outstanding so far, brutal, insane and so unnecessary, but outstanding all the same. Although the first part didn't really tell me much I didn't already know, it's still a very unsettling story, it also explains the fascination with guns and feeling of needing one.
 
langster said:
Do you know how much I LOLLED when I heard how some people pronounce that stores name like tar-jait, trying to make it sound all posh and that :lol: You are a funny bunch, you really are :lol:
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:lol: it's a piss take! We have a family friend in Pasadena who calls it that, jokingly because she's a bit of a snob and jokes about shopping there.

It's the same as people calling Primark "Primarni" or the whole "Arguus" thing for Argos.
 
Rado_N said:
:lol: it's a piss take! We have a family friend in Pasadena who calls it that, jokingly because she's a bit of a snob and jokes about shopping there.

It's the same as people calling Primark "Primarni" or the whole "Arguus" thing for Argos.
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:lol: Thanks mate.

I can't remember where I heard it pronounced like that, but I was sure they were being serious. Feck, wish I could remember now.
 
langster said:
:lol: Thanks mate.

I can't remember where I heard it pronounced like that, but I was sure they were being serious. Feck, wish I could remember now.
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:lol:

I've shopped in Target a few times, mostly because they tend to have a CVS in there as well so it's handy!
 
langster said:
I had to google CVS to find it was a pharmacy. Does it have a gun department too?
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I don't think so. Wal-Mart have certain amounts of guns in their sporting department though, they're usually found near the cross-bows a few aisles down from the football equipment. I think they're usually low calibre hunting rifles only though.
 
Rado_N said:
I don't think so. Wal-Mart have certain amounts of guns in their sporting department though, they're usually found near the cross-bows a few aisles down from the football equipment. I think they're usually low calibre hunting rifles only though.
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Not to be "that guy", but the .223 that an AR15 fires is a "low caliber" round in the realm of rifles. They sell up to .308 and .30-06 rifles at Walmart. The .308 is the US military mid-range sniper round and the .30-06 won WWII and can kill anything in the lower 48 states.
 
Rado_N said:
I don't think so. Wal-Mart have certain amounts of guns in their sporting department though, they're usually found near the cross-bows a few aisles down from the football equipment. I think they're usually low calibre hunting rifles only though.
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Yeah, I've seen that on TV, funnily enough it was right next to the sporting goods, that were right next to the toy department. :wenger: Personally I would find it extremely unnerving if I saw people walking around armed to the teeth like those in the store in the pic I posted above.

Edit. We saw some armed Police at the Torbay Air Show a couple of weeks ago and almost everyone that saw they were armed (only with Glocs) made a comment or stopped to stare as they walked by :lol:
 
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