Gun control

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Yes, because you're so incredibly accepting. In-between calling anyone who disagrees with you insane, immoral, profit-obsessed etc etc.
Pretty sure I've called the ideas insane, immoral and profit-obsessed. Although, you are profit-obsessed.

And yes, if you were to actually post more than vague sentences I might be willing to listen, I've changed a few of my stances because of posts on the caf which proved my previous opion wrong. But as it stands, your arguments rely on generalizations and unsubstantiated nonsense so aren't really worth listening to. Especially after admitting that you ignore statistics which don't fit your world view.
 
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That's usually how it works when you disagree with something.

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There are many reasons why, it's definitely not down to welfare because the US spends more than Canada and some Western European states on welfare.

Gross? Of course. Per capita? Not according to most sources. More important is the way in which it is spent though, obviously.
 
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I don't think it was just a lack of regulation, I think it was a mixture of bad regulation, self regulation, rules being completely floundered and bankers chasing profits like a crackhead chasing elderly women he thinks are an easy target. And it's that kind of culture I don't want to exist because it's fecked up. If you make it impossible for people to suffer, they won't, if you make it impossible for your economy to crash, it won't. The way to do that is to build a system which isn't too dependent on any one thing or too few things. Letting people to their own devices doesn't work because people suck. Case in point: The Koch brothers.

http://www.exposethebastards.com/who_are_the_koch_brothers

http://www.alternet.org/story/15052...turns_out_they're_even_worse_than_you_thought

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/10/koch-brothers-politics-billionaire-dark-money

http://kochcash.org/the-kochtopus/
 
Mental. This is why guns and intoxicants shouldn't mix.

My favourite part was when the police office told him he couldn't swear.

I really detest the open carry movement. Or at least what I have seen of it in recent weeks. The guys at chipotle or the military veteran (and gun owner!) getting stalked through the streets of Austin for daring to criticize them or now this guy. For these people it's not about safety or hunting or a weekend visit to the shooting range. For them it's, "I have a gun, feck you". What kind of person needs an assault rifle to wait in line at a burrito place? For the first time, I'm actually scared of something happening close to home. I mean, Jesus, they make the NRA look moderate. And the worst part is that they are right. The laws are on their side.
 
And literally as I post this...


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I really detest the open carry movement. Or at least what I have seen of it in recent weeks. The guys at chipotle or the military veteran (and gun owner!) getting stalked through the streets of Austin for daring to criticize them or now this guy. For these people it's not about safety or hunting or a weekend visit to the shooting range. For them it's, "I have a gun, feck you". What kind of person needs an assault rifle to wait in line at a burrito place? For the first time, I'm actually scared of something happening close to home. I mean, Jesus, they make the NRA look moderate. And the worst part is that they are right. The laws are on their side.

I sort of prefer open carry, although it seems a bit odd to do it with rifles, yeah.
 
Sell it to me. Maybe I've been coming at it the wrong way.

Which one do you want? I've got a sexy Marlin lever action .30-.30 or a scary Bushmaster LR .308? I can't sell you my AR-15 'cause it was made in China, you can thank Bill Clinton for that one.
 
I once played was in an American PS2 Clan where the first sticky thread that greeted me was "Join the NRA." Their whole off-topic forum was on top of that full with topics about how black people are lesser human beings. First I thought that was a really bad joke until I realized that I probably joined a white supremacy clan.

All the warning I got before hand was that they aren't enforcing political correctness and that one had to be able to take a joke if you wanted to play with them. I sometimes wonder in which version of reality those people live?

It also frightens me to think that those people are among the most adamant gun rights defending people.
 
But they can open carry on streets. Or at the summer reading party of a public library.

http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2014/06/man_with_gun_at_kalamazoo_libr.html


There's a quote in there that describes the attitude I'm talking about.

"Unfortunately for them, nothing in the law says they have the right to be comfortable."

In all honesty I see absolutely no need for anyone to own a gun (other than the maybe 5% of people whose job requires it or who live somewhere frequented by huge animals with loads of teeth) but if I lived somewhere where so many people did, I reckon I'd much rather them be clearly visible so I knew who had what. Much rather that than never be sure who was carrying a gun and who wasn't, assuming the only alternative is concealed carry.
 
There was a guy in Georgia a couple weeks ago who went on a field full of kids playing a little league game carrying his gun, he knew exactly what he was doing just scaring the shit out of people and being a dick, the police got called but when they came they couldn't do anything as he hadn't broken any laws.
 
I once played was in an American PS2 Clan where the first sticky thread that greeted me was "Join the NRA." Their whole off-topic forum was on top of that full with topics about how black people are lesser human beings. First I thought that was a really bad joke until I realized that I probably joined a white supremacy clan.

All the warning I got before hand was that they aren't enforcing political correctness and that one had to be able to take a joke if you wanted to play with them. I sometimes wonder in which version of reality those people live?

It also frightens me to think that those people are among the most adamant gun rights defending people.


Sounds like The Turner Diaries.
 
The open carry of long guns is stupid. It's mostly fringe groups that are in states that don't allow open carry of pistols so these idiots think they're exercising their second amendment right by carrying long guns. They are hurting their cause a lot more than helping it and somehow they don't see it. Most of the big gun groups like the NRA are against them. It has to be pretty bad if it has to do with guns and even the NRA can see how stupid it is. The NRA at first said it was bad and they wanted nothing to do with these idiots, then changed their stance and are standing up for them now.

I'm not a fan for any kind of open carry either - if I were a bad guy planning on shooting people, the first ones I would shoot at is the people that I can see have guns and take out any kind of opposition from the beginning. Concealed carry I'm not for or against. I don't ever plan on carrying myself but I live in a place where I don't feel threatened either. I don't really know what it would be like to live in a big city with gangs or bad people that made me feel threatened.

I do have a concealed carry permit though, but in my state it just makes it faster and easier for me to buy guns. To get the permit in my state a certain level of training is required and a three month long background check. I can carry concealed in most states with mine because of the requirements to get it. Each state decides what other states it honors according to their own requirements. One side effect of having it that surprised me is the way police treat me. If the police run my car license plate, it shows up that I have the concealed carry license so they know immediately. I have gotten out of tickets because they want to talk guns instead of what I did wrong. They show a lot more respect, maybe because of the training needed or the fact I didn't object to a strenuous background check, either way, getting it was worth it just to get treated better by the popo.
 
That's an interesting side of things. People having strict training and being registered as CC permit holders isn't a bad thing.
 
Learn 'em young. The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Or a minor who will be fecked up psychologically for the next 20 years.

America, feck yeah!
 
Its like how more drownings happen in homes with a pool. Weird that Gun crazy bastards can't figure out the big problem here.
 
Just watched a police standoff with this guy http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-28240831 - surrendered in the end. Surreal the news coverage that the US has.
That's wrong he wasn't the father but an ex-uncle, anyway the gun issue here is not important because he would use something else to kill the people, he tied the kids first and then the kids father and mother, the problem for him since he didn't want to die or he would shot himself before been captured by the police, is the word Texas - dead penalty and children killers get to the front of the line really fast.
 
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Interesting, or should I say, insightful, article on, Robert Dowlut, one of the NRA's top lawyers and architects of their modern second amendment glorification and guns-for-all approach.

The NRA's Murder Mystery - One court sent him to prison for shooting a woman. Another set him free over bad police work. Was the NRA's top lawyer railroaded - or a "Bad guy with a gun?"

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/07/robert-dowlut-nra-murder-mystery

Shortly before dark on the evening of April 17, 1963, Robert J. Dowlut went looking for a gun inside the city cemetery in South Bend, Indiana. Making his way through the headstones, he stopped in front of the abandoned Studebaker family mausoleum. He knelt by the front right corner of the blocky gray monument and lifted a stone from the damp ground. Then, as one of the two police detectives accompanying him later testified, the 17-year-old "used his hands and did some digging." He unearthed a revolver and ammunition. As Dowlut would later tell a judge, the detectives then took the gun, "jammed it in my hand," and photographed him. "They were real happy." . . .
 
Not that this necessarily has much to do directly with gun control, but indirectly it gives one an insight into the minds of some of the "gun people" out there.



Christopher Loncarich, Colorado Hunting Outfitter, Admits Injuring Wild Cats For Easy Hunts

Reuters


By Laura Zuckerman

Aug 15 (Reuters) - A Colorado hunting outfitter accused of injuring mountain lions and bobcats to help clients kill them more easily pleaded guilty on Friday in a U.S. court in Denver to one felony count of conspiring to break a federal wildlife law, prosecutors said.

In a plea agreement struck with federal attorneys, Christopher Loncarich, 55, of Mack, Colorado, admitted to conspiring to violate the Lacey Act, which bans the transportation or sale across state lines of illegally gained wildlife, according to the U.S. Justice Department.

As part of the plea deal, Loncarich admitted he led a ring of professional hunters who shot, trapped and caged the wild cats to provide clients with phony fair chase hunts in Colorado and Utah from 2007 to 2010, prosecutors said in a statement.

Loncarich's hunting packages targeting mountain lions ranged in price from $3,500 to $7,500 and bobcat hunts cost between $700 and $1,500, U.S. attorneys said.

Nicholaus Rodgers of Shady Cove, Oregon, Loncarich's lead hunting guide, last month pleaded guilty to one count of conspiring to violate the Lacey Act for his part in the illegal big-game hunts, according to the Justice Department.

A conviction on the felony can bring up to five years in prison and a maximum fine of $250,000.

The Justice Department said in a statement that under the terms of the plea agreement, the prosecution agreed to a sentencing calculation but did not agree on a term of imprisonment, an amount of fines or an amount of restitution.

A sentencing hearing for Loncarich is set for Nov. 20, 2014, it said.

Loncarich could not be reached for comment after business hours on Friday. The case was investigated by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, Colorado Parks and Wildlife and the Utah Division of Wildlife Resources. (Reporting by Laura Zuckerman in Salmon, Idaho; Editing by Sharon Bernstein and Sandra Maler)
 
300 million people and hardly any seem to be able to grasp how wrong this is. It's almost like as soon as their kids can physically hold a firearm, they MUST be trained to use one, and if possible, hey, why not own one as well. The whole thing is absolute madness.
The fact that I agree with Piers Morgan on something annoys me, but his campaign on gun control is spot on.
 
A 9 year old training to use guns? Bunch of wackos.