Gun control

Time to ban rappers and nice cars. First it was Biggie now this. Where will it all end????
 
I've come to the conclusion that having gun control debates is a fairly useless activity. Quite soon, all the laws in the world won't be able to stop people getting guns; and here's why:



A fully functioning 3D printed magazine. And as the technology improves, people will be able to print some of the more complex parts of guns.

Governments will be as effective at banning guns as they are at banning 'piracy'.
 
Eyepopper said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21722377

Well that's it then, the world has officially gone fecking mental.
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Meh, it's South Dakota...very much a rural place with lots of agriculture and hunting. Everyone there already has guns and knows how to use them. They also know how dangerous they are. I don't think they will have any problems with school shootings, just another example of "feel good legislation".
 
Anyone see the Panorama programme the other night ''America's Gun Addiction''.

Very moving and informative documentary, with arguments put for and against tighter gun legislation.

It was pointed out that many of the worst gun atrocities carried out the USA were by people with mental issues.

The the most disturbing part of this documentary was when they went to a gun show in Texas. All you needed, to buy there and then any weapon you wanted, including guns like the Bushmaster was to show a valid Texas driving licence and to state that you were a US citizen.

No background checks required, to see if you had any mental issues. You could have walked out of there with a small arsenal of arms.

Sadly, I don't think Sandy Creeek will be the last of these horrific tragedies.
 
DFreshKing said:
I understand your idea that even a 1% difference is worthwhile, but without stacking it up against either the amount of effort that would be needed to gain 1% or an alternative option that might achieve a 3% improvement, I don't agree that it has to be a tick in the box.

Better education would have a bigger impact, is more viable and give a quicker result relatively in my opinion.

I am for gun control, but not the banning of guns in general which I feel is impossible.

Education needs to be done now because in the not to distant future 3D printing will allow people to make pretty much anything they choose.

That is a sobering thought.
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Redlambs said:
That is a good post. I suppose being on the outside it's easy to think it's only positive, but I'm not blind to how tough it would be in a country where it's in the blood to carry one.

And your last thought, though beyond our lifetime, is indeed sobering. Issues of humanity need to be tackled well before we get the technology to truly eradicate ourselves. Unfortunately we are all run by self serving idiots, but that's another thread.
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http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechcon...-now-has-federal-firearms-license?ft=1&f=1001

I told you it would be much sooner than you think.
 
That's about an hour and a half from me. Disgusting. There's a relatively posh island off the coast of Brunswick where my family has a house so I've spent loads of time down there. Brunswick is kind of a shit hole of a town but still nowhere you'd expect something like that.
 
So Governor Malloy of Connecticut signed a new gun measure into law. I'll tl:dr the measure for those too lazy to read further, but in summary the new laws include

A "dangerous weapon offender" registry ~ Anybody convicted of any of more than 40 enumerated weapons offenses (mostly gun offenses) or another felony involving the use or threatened use of a deadly weapon will have to register with the Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection. The list will be available only to law enforcement, should be available to all and registrants will remain on it for five years, not life, but they must update their addresses with state authorities, just like sex offenders.

Universal background checks ~ "Immediately upon passage, no pistol, revolver, rifle or shotgun can be sold to any Connecticut resident until the buyer undergoes and passes a national criminal background check -- whether such sale is private, at a gun show, or through a dealer"

Expanded "assault weapons" ban ~ Bans more than 100 more specific weapons in addition to those already illegal in the state, as well as any weapon that has just one of an expanded list of "military-style features." Currently owned weapons are grandfathered, though under tight restrictions.

Ban on "large capacity magazines" ~ New state limit of ten rounds. Grandfathers existing magazines subject to registration, though such magazines can never be loaded with more than ten rounds outside the owner's home or a shooting range. Acquiring a new large capacity magazine after the ban, or failing to register an existing one, becomes a class D felony. Can be considered useless, but also doesn't have a downside in my opinion

Eligibility certificates to purchase rifles, shotguns or ammunition ~ Certificate applicants must "undergo a firearms safety training course, be fingerprinted, and undergo a national criminal background and involuntary commitment /voluntary admission check."

Expanded firearms storage requirements ~ Owners must securely store firearms if "any resident of the premises where the firearm is stored is ineligible to possess a firearm" or "poses a risk of imminent personal injury to himself or herself or to other individuals."

Restrictions on firearms possession by those with mental illness ~ Expands restrictions on those who have been involuntarily committed from 12 to 60 months and imposes a six-month ban on firearms possession on those who voluntarily admit themselves to a psychiatric facility.

Ban on possession and sale of "armor piercing ammunition
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All common sense proposals right? I'd say some are too lenient. However this took a lot of will to get passed, and Connecticut is a Democratic state. It's a step or two in the right direction though.
 
You have to start somewhere...

Seriously though, those offenses are mostly minor violations/misdemeanors. Felonies will most likely get you on the list, if your priviledge isn't revoked.

Trust me, these common sense proposals were met with cries of "the government is taking our rights away!", "10 rounds aren't enough, what if a pack of gang members show up?".. and so on.
 
Yeah, 40 seems a lot though but I get the difficulties you guys have pushing through even the most obvious piece of gun legislation. Why any normal citizen would think stopping someone with 5-6 gun convictions from owning more guns would be a bad idea is just hard for any non-American to grasp.
 
adexkola said:
You have to start somewhere...

Seriously though, those offenses are mostly minor violations/misdemeanors. Felonies will most likely get you on the list, if your priviledge isn't revoked.

Trust me, these common sense proposals were met with cries of "the government is taking our rights away!", "10 rounds aren't enough, what if a pack of gang members show up?".. and so on.
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Anybody could cross the border and buy larger magazines, they need to make sure anybody with any mental problem to not be allowed to own a gun and if lives on someones house the owner of the gun would be responsible for any crime caused with his guns.
 
The stupid part of the proposed assault weapon bans is it does nothing to curb the vast majority of gun crime in America. There will still be murders every single day in, just fewer Newtown and Aurora-type massacres (which I'm certainly not saying is a bad thing - it needs to happen as well).
 
A "dangerous weapon offender" registry ~ Anybody convicted of any of more than 40 enumerated weapons offenses (mostly gun offenses) or another felony involving the use or threatened use of a deadly weapon will have to register with the Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection. The list will be available only to law enforcement, should be available to all and registrants will remain on it for five years, not life, but they must update their addresses with state authorities, just like sex offenders.

Universal background checks ~ "Immediately upon passage, no pistol, revolver, rifle or shotgun can be sold to any Connecticut resident until the buyer undergoes and passes a national criminal background check -- whether such sale is private, at a gun show, or through a dealer"

Expanded "assault weapons" ban ~ Bans more than 100 more specific weapons in addition to those already illegal in the state, as well as any weapon that has just one of an expanded list of "military-style features." Currently owned weapons are grandfathered, though under tight restrictions.

Ban on "large capacity magazines" ~ New state limit of ten rounds. Grandfathers existing magazines subject to registration, though such magazines can never be loaded with more than ten rounds outside the owner's home or a shooting range. Acquiring a new large capacity magazine after the ban, or failing to register an existing one, becomes a class D felony. Can be considered useless, but also doesn't have a downside in my opinion

Eligibility certificates to purchase rifles, shotguns or ammunition ~ Certificate applicants must "undergo a firearms safety training course, be fingerprinted, and undergo a national criminal background and involuntary commitment /voluntary admission check."

Expanded firearms storage requirements ~ Owners must securely store firearms if "any resident of the premises where the firearm is stored is ineligible to possess a firearm" or "poses a risk of imminent personal injury to himself or herself or to other individuals."

Restrictions on firearms possession by those with mental illness ~ Expands restrictions on those who have been involuntarily committed from 12 to 60 months and imposes a six-month ban on firearms possession on those who voluntarily admit themselves to a psychiatric facility.

Ban on possession and sale of "armor piercing ammunition
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Some good stuff and some useless fluff. Good job on making a storage requirement and restricting who can buy ammunition and acquire firearms going forward.
 
A man has barricaded himself in a Georgia house and is holding five firefighters hostage.

Gwinnett County Police Corporal Edwin Ritter said firefighters responded to a medical call in Suwanee, about 35 miles outside of Atlanta, and were taken hostage by an unidentified suspect when they arrived.

Cpl Ritter said a Swat team is on the scene but declined to offer more details or a possible motive.

Television helicopter footage showed the neighbourhood of large, two-story houses situated on well-landscaped lots.

However police asked those helicopters to leave the area soon after they arrived.
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http://news.sky.com/story/1076547/georgia-firefighters-held-hostage-by-man
 
Virginia mall shooting leaves two injured, one suspect in custody; Shooter reportedly posted 'details' of his plan to a message board beforehand

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adexkola said:
So Governor Malloy of Connecticut signed a new gun measure into law. I'll tl:dr the measure for those too lazy to read further, but in summary the new laws include



All common sense proposals right? I'd say some are too lenient. However this took a lot of will to get passed, and Connecticut is a Democratic state. It's a step or two in the right direction though.
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Would any of these have any effect on the mass shootings that have happened?

Not saying the are not a good idea but not sure they would have actually helped prevent Sandy hook or the cinema shooting.
 
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