Wouldn't be great handing over greater power to states and their locally elected crazies. We might even get apartheid once again in the south.
Gun control
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All posts that show no understanding of the difference between limited and no gov't. I don't recall anyone saying anything about NO government. And of course RD your posts ignore the fact of the constitution. But don't let the real world get in the way of your blind ideology and very typical veiled 'right is racist' comment.
I'm in favour of gun control in America, but I'd be quite happy if someone accidentally shot Piers Morgan in the face just before handing one in.
TBH the accidentally bit could be optional IMHO.
right is racist???.....no no..of course not. The GOP just does not want minorities voting...
why take my word for it...
you have respected Republicans saying it.
you lot will all say little government...but will very happily support candidates who want to ban all abortions or want vaginal probes.
and who is violating any constitutions...??
and all this sudden concern about the debt from bellends like Ryan when they were happy to rubber stamp Bush for all the his unfunded wars and tax cuts by borrowing.
All those points you mentioned are actually the opposite of libetarian ideology
The republican party is not libetarian, they are conservatives.
Saying libetarians would love Somalia would be same as saying lefties would love North Korea
I liked #2 and #5. They are such impressively dishonest use of statistics I had to laugh.
'There are more gun deaths in states with higher gun ownership' - except for the fact that most gun deaths are caused by illegal firearms. I could easily trot out examples like Chicago, which has some of the strongest gun control laws in the US, but still has some of the highest firearms-related deaths.
And then #5... 'Guns have been linked to higher rates of homicide, suicide... etc' - well no shit. Guns are a more effective killing machine than anything else, if you were going to be thorough you would look at assaults by other weapons, like knifes; which aren't as lethal and would usually end up being classed as an attempted murder or suicide.
You've lost the plot mate. Shake yourself and stop painting people with the big braid brush you use when they don't match your ideology. I've often said Bush was perhaps the single biggest violator of privacy rights in US history. But why do folks on the left scream and yell when Bush does it but not a peep when Obama continues the program? Why aren't we seeing the daily reports of deaths in the middle east? Where's all the anger over Gitmo, Iraq, Afghanistan, drones, etc we heard from the left when Bush was president now nothing. Not a peep. Hypocrites much? I think so.
Get a hold of yourself RD and wake up. You seem a pretty good guy and I bet we could have some beers watch a United match and have some good discussions.
This.... (fiscal conservatives anyway)
....and this.
what is cutting entitlement programs?
It is silly without cutting spending on the biggest military on earth for a country without any danger of being invaded.
what are you on about??
I was thinking of Social Security and medicare which the GOP wants to gut. This is pure misguided Libetarian thinking.
In fact we should close our military bases in Europe for starters. That is a taboo subject for Republicans who are happy to take money from the industrial military cmplex.
So we agree there.
Yes the republican party has some libertarian ideals but so do the democrats. The democrates are by all standards a right wing party. The democrates acceptance of gay marriages and freedom of discrimination are libertarian ideals, not left wing.
If you want to go about cutting goverment spending, you start cutting where it is not needed. That is not social security during the worst financial crisis for almost a century.
If you want to go about cutting goverment spending, you start cutting where it is not needed. That is not social security during the worst financial crisis for almost a century.
both parties are to the right of most European parties of course. But that is not the discussion between Americans.
Here when we say liberterian policies its usually fiscal policies we refer to.
You would be a Democrat here.
Isn't this about what a lot of this debate is about, and then factor in assault rifles. Doh!
What about the other myths. Have a laugh at those?
Bought one after an attempted violent act yet I should never have to resort to such a drastic, paranoid measure. Most purchase firearms for some other pyschological need and later claim it's for defense. Guns make people feel powerful, able to show off to friends, feel accepted to certain groups, etc.
And I would gladly turn it over IAW law and/or a buyback arrangement.
Funny enough many seemed to not give a shit about our individual rights when Bush passed the Patriot Act but "goddammit if librals take away mer guns!"
I did. Those are just the ones I found most humorous.
one of the most honest posts by a gun owner.
Heck it is the Patriot Act...how can that take away my rights?...
As I have said many times before....both parties are corporations...but the Republican party is a heck of a lot worse. downright dangerous tbh. The problem is, the GOP is an alliance of some 'out there folks'. Neo-cons who relish wars, religious freaks who want to turn the US into 'their' brand of 'Christianity'...which really is nothing to do with Christianity.Teapartiers who think everyone is gaming the system...and are completely cluless about the actual dollars involved in their pet grieviences...
I'm not giving Obama a pass on everything. He is the most conservative of the last 3 democratic presidents we have had. Gitmo. the bigger picture is who will take these people when it is closed. Many states don't want the responsibility. But I did hear there was finally an agreement...have not read more though.
Drones...without sounding callous...it has been effective. yes. there have been civilian deaths. I'm open to suggestions of how we weed out those who want to attack and kill Americans...no one wants an invasion...other than your normal crazy neo-cons.
On Foreign policy, I'm not lock step with most lefties. so don't brand me a pure lib
I think the area we really cannot agree on is fiscal policy. I just don't buy into trickle down economics...its just not true. I'm a Keynsian.
Otherwise as you say..yeah we could have a beer or two and rant on about United.
God..what I would not give for another Treble
btw...these dicussion seem to be merging into American politics...sorry about that lads.
"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
-- Thomas Jefferson
I just wonder what he would think of the situation today and would he have worded the declaration of independence differently?
-- Thomas Jefferson
I just wonder what he would think of the situation today and would he have worded the declaration of independence differently?
I think they would have written the Bill of Rights the same. Jefferson supported the idea of a weak federal government and strong individual/state rights.
In other news, 48 people were killed by gun violence in Chicago, in January.
In other news, 48 people were killed by gun violence in Chicago, in January.
If you take Jefferson literally you need to let people, at the very least, keep tanks, heavy artillery and fighter jets. You'll probably need some submarines as well.
Handguns and automatic rifles aren't going to do shit against the US army these days.
Handguns and automatic rifles aren't going to do shit against the US army these days.
Nukes. Even if they are battlefield tactical ones.
And how about drones? One per house at least.
And how about drones? One per house at least.
Well he brought Jefferson into the equation.
If we're talking hypotheticals here, what is the government going to do, nuke it's cities and civilians? There's only so much a conventional army can do across a vast landscape with unprotected borders. I'd imagine most gun nutters would form impromptu militias, raining havoc on the army from a safe distance. Not to mention a sizable amount of the military would find it abhorrent to fire on their fellow 'muricans. Then you have the individual state guards that would refuse to be federalized. They would probably take control of Federal bases and installments in their states.
I'm just saying, it wouldn't be quicker than Iraq.
Does anybody understand why this is a barrier to get someone in?....
• The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives has not had a permanent director for 6 years, due to an NRA-backed requirement that the Senate approve nominees.
The US Senate has to approve the nominee and Republicans have blocked that from happening.
How so? Isnt approval the same as a bill. I should know this stuff.
Each nominee needs to have Senate approval. Normally that means just 50% + 1 but Republicans have fillibustered nominees to an unprecedented level in recent years. 60 votes are needed to be fillibuster proof, the Democrats haven't had that. Obama only had that for seven weeks (http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast...super-majority-in-congress-for-two-years.html) and even then, he was not able to convince the conservative Democrats like Nelson, Landrieu and Bayh.
Ah, the old fillibuster. Thanks. They sure gave Hagel a tough ride!
We're not talking hypotheticals. They tried it 150 years ago. In the days where warfare was guns and cannons the militias found themselves seriously outgunned, though they lasted 4 years. These days... well 'impromptu militias' against the US marines is something Id like to see.
And he was absolutely terrible. What happened in there? Surely he's not an idiot?
Some sort of reality show perhaps?
American militia?
Suggestions on a postcard to .....
"Myth #2: Guns don't kill people—people kill people.
Fact-check: People with more guns tend to kill more people—with guns. The states with the highest gun ownership rates have a gun murder rate 114% higher than those with the lowest gun ownership rates. Also, gun death rates tend to be higher in states with higher rates of gun ownership. Gun death rates are generally lower in states with restrictions such as assault-weapons bans or safe-storage requirements."
Myth of a myth or I should say... not really.
http://www.datamasher.org/mash-ups/crime-vs-gun-ownership
Are you been an idiot or too many beers?
Just watching screen wipe and there's a clip of like a 9 year old girl with her own range of pink guns with glitter, the US is fecking nuts.
Funny they always bring Japan when talking about guns, people don't realize they aren't humans?
Too many idiots that shouldn't be able to own guns.