If I hit someone on the head with a 40oz piece of metal it will kill them, probably faster than a bullet.
No scope for pistol whipping sprees too, people could protect themselves by pistol whipping back. I think we could be onto something here...
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No scope for pistol whipping sprees too, people could protect themselves by pistol whipping back. I think we could be onto something here...
seriously though.....limiting mgazine clips to 7 or so will help.
It's a reasonable argument and certainly applicable until one considers that the training involved in licencing (CCW in the US and general licencing in Canada) teaches the user responsibility.
Crazy Joe down the block who's never had any training or instruction on firearm safety may go off like that butI think it is relatively unlikely that any person trained in the proper use and handling of firearms would do the same. For one, once we go through all the hoops required to get that licence we don't want to do anything stupid to ruin it for everyone else.
I think that's largely irrelevant, tbh. With only a little practice you can swap magazines in a second, literally.
Determined individuals will just buy and carry more magazines. Alternatively, they will remove the pin or rivet used to limit the magazine's capacity. Apparently this is relatively simple.
How intensive is the training though for concealed carry license? In Ohio for example it's just a 12 hour course, a test, and a background check. No actual physical training with guns at all. I love my mom to death but she has no business carrying around a gun, granted she only takes it with her if she's going on trips by herself.
I'm not against limiting magazine size but the deadliest mass shooting was at Virginia Tech in 2007. The guy that did it didn't use extended magazines, he carried 19 normal ones instead. They were 10 and 15 round mags which is still more than 7 but like Dwayne said, with practice it doesn't take long to change them. Under two seconds for professional shooters.
but training does not gurantee you don't lose your head.
Having said that in each of these mass shootings, the person doing the shooting was completely off his head.
so background checks...without exceptions is the top priority imo.
That's just crazy! The first time someone could potentially ever fire a gun could be in defense of their life. What is the point of carrying a gun that you wouldn't know how to use?
Absolutely. Up here we have the extensive background check as a licencing component, then we are background checked in real time every day.
That extra bit is what ensures I don't lose my head. Whether that's in traffic, at the pub or when "discussing" something with the missus. If I come up on the po-po's radar, chances are they'll take my guns, or request I relinquish them for a short time.
Well I guess I was mistaken, apparently you have to log in a certain amount of practice hours and you are required to unload and load the gun in the class.
My point still stands, I don't trust my mom whatsoever with a gun and I'm sure there are plenty of others like her out there.
There are 3-4 states that don't require any type of permit and 3-4 more are in the process of making their state like this as well as far as I know.
My state doesn't require a permit for open or concealed carry. I don't know anybody personally that carries though and the crazy ones that are carrying want everybody to know so they usually have a great big 'hogleg' that's twice the size of most of them hanging off their waist. This is the wild west out here you know.
Not that it matters but, how? Are you making the assumption about reloading time? I'm for banning/regulating clip sizes to some degree but I think it's Pollyanna to say a clip of 7 is fine but one of 10 is too much. By what standard? The reason the most recent assault weapon ban was not re-upped was because it was proven it was ineffective. I don't think people should have belt fed SAWs or anything but 10-15 rounds in a pistol? Pffft, so what.
EDIT: I happen to be in Phoenix right now. Better see if I can get me an Uzi.....
Not that it matters but, how? Are you making the assumption about reloading time? I'm for banning/regulating clip sizes to some degree but I think it's Pollyanna to say a clip of 7 is fine but one of 10 is too much. By what standard? The reason the most recent assault weapon ban was not re-upped was because it was proven it was ineffective. I don't think people should have belt fed SAWs or anything but 10-15 rounds in a pistol? Pffft, so what.
EDIT: I happen to be in Phoenix right now. Better see if I can get me an Uzi.....
Giffords??
but as Dwayne explained...there are ways to get round such bans....but throwing up your arms is not a solution.
err don't neuter yourself with that uzi
Clip size is the first and largely symbolic step. A virtual ban on all assault weapons and handguns is really needed.
I blame the Chinese for inventing gunpowder. 88 out of every 100 Yanks would then have to run around with a longbow!
A good example of such would be none other than the son of the president of the NRA.
Currently in prison for shooting someone in a road rage incident. Because, he , of course, always had a gun on him.
Please, for my own sanity. They are magazines, not clips. Clips, while similar are an entirely different entity from a magazine.
Both need banning mind.
To be fair, on their own they are both pretty harmless. A full 30 rounder might hurt your head if someone threw it at you.
It is astounding that your mum lives her life at a level of fear where she feels the need to carry a gun every time that she goes out alone.
Giffords??
but as Dwayne explained...there are ways to get round such bans....but throwing up your arms is not a solution.
err don't neuter yourself with that uzi
Not throwing up arms, just saying focus on the real problem. Not symptoms. If you want to stop shooting deaths you have to address hand guns. If you say ban a 12 round magazine you're not doing anything.
Sounds like the dems don't even have the votes in the senate to make this happen. And then the House will be an impossibility.
Only now I noticed that I've been reading Red Dreams posts as if they've been written by Red Devil. I'm getting old.
That's one of the things that baffles me more in some gun enthusiasts. You can tell Dwayne just likes them, as surely do many others. But an enormous amount of people seem to have genuine fear of losing them, as if it will put their lives in tremendous peril.
That's one of the things that baffles me more in some gun enthusiasts. You can tell Dwayne just likes them, as surely do many others. But an enormous amount of people seem to have genuine fear of losing them, as if it will put their lives in tremendous peril.
And the slaughter continues.
Thing is the Dems love their guns as much as the Republicans. Nothing is going to change.
Yes, but when you combine them with the other 2 needed parts, a quick firing gun and a mentally unstable white lad, they are fantastic at blowing large bloody holes in school children, students, teachers and every living thing quickly.
I hadn't seen this. Amazed the story isn't "mistakenly" brought up in debates.
Please, for my own sanity. They are magazines, not clips. Clips, while similar are an entirely different entity from a magazine.
I'm clueless with this stuff. If I had to guesss I would have said the clips are stored in the mags.
Not out alone, on longer overnight trips. We're talking 2-3 times a year, the rest of the time it sits secured at home. It's not a whole lot better but somewhat more understandable I think. It's purely a security thing as well, she has no intention of ever using it. As a very skinny 50ish year old woman she doesn't have too many ways of protecting herself if something were to happen, granted she just carried around pepper spray before.
My point is if she ever was in a situation where she had to use it she hasn't had near enough training to make me trust her abilities with it.
That's genuinely hilarious. I had no idea that happened but it's a perfect example of what I was trying to say. If he didn't have a gun at the time he'd likely still be a free man.
hand guns did not cause the recent mass murders. As I was saying to Dwayne, complete background checks without exception is a solid start. This is now an executive order. If we had that, most of the loons who should not even have been allowed near a butter knife much less a semi-automatic would have done what they did.
Banning assault weapons is not unreasonable. The responsible people who want to own this like a couple of our posters are few....how are these stored ? what access is allowed?
not having the votes now is irrelevant. The majority want them banned. We are moving towards some sort of gun control and to say we really cannot do much about it is irresponsible.
Or maybe not, maybe he would use his car to hit the other car, that happens all the time but is always hard to prove, I saw in Pennsylvania a guy hitting a car with a pick up truck because the car was on the right side and the roads merged, the car should reduce the speed since he had to merge to the left but he didn't
But that wouldn't had stop the Sandy school shooting, I'm a believer of background check and mandatory safety courses plus giving the firearm owners the completely responsibility of any crime committed with his/her guns if they aren't in a safe. In another words if a kid takes his father handgun and shoots someone then his father would have the same penalty as his son.
The Sandy Hook incident was the exception to the recent shootings. It was imo the mother's fault for having all those weapons available when she clearly had a son free who should have been 'inside'.
She was also some survivalist nut apparently. Part of the background check should include responsibility for storing these firearms. Who they live with and such.
I am not necessarily disagreeing with what you are saying tbh.
After that shooting some ex-con shot firefighters with a rifle he paid someone to buy for him.
They said that wasn't true she used to love to shoot targets reason why she had so many guns but again she didn't had any of the firearms in a safe.
She died, didn't she?
Pretty good example of how much safer you are when you own a gun.
Pretty good example of how much safer you are when you own a gun.
Her son killed her when she was sleeping which he could do the same using a knife.
Yes, we all know that. And then he'd pick up that knife and kill a few dozen kids at a school.
and if she had the firearms inside a safe he would not kill them as well.
He'd probably only need to ask her for the guns, to be fair. Wouldn't you let your son hold one of yours if he asked?