You are right about how hypocritical and damaging the policy has been but I think the US would take major action if one of those countries did what you said above.
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You are right about how hypocritical and damaging the policy has been but I think the US would take major action if one of those countries did what you said above.
Uh, what? I know I don't agree with the two of you on most things (especially you RD
) but the undertones in these posts are way of base if I'm understanding what you're saying. Are you saying the gun culture is only prevalent in white America? The gun culture is in all segments of society regardless of color. I'm for addressing some gun control issues for sure but to paint this as a 'north v south' issue is just plain ignorant.
I'd say the "My cherished right to own an assault rifle is an American institution" attitude is more prevalent in whites than other gun toting ethnicities, whose reasons are probably far more immediate and socio-economic.
That's racist.
That's racist.
You're right, and they already have. After the creation of their CIA Noriega monster, they felt they had to invade Panama. Otherwise all their efforts have been covert, or economically threatening. The worst part is, is that Latin American democracies and their political systems, police, military etc will always be corrupted by the massive criminal profits.
In the interest of statistical accuracy.
States with Extremely High Populations of Gun Owners(more than 50%)
1. Wyoming - 59.7%
2. Alaska - 57.8%
3. Montana - 57.7%
4. South Dakota - 56.6%
5. West Virginia - 55.4%
6. Mississippi - 55.3%
6. Idaho - 55.3%
6. Arkansas - 55.3%
9. Alabama - 51.7%
10. North Dakota - 50.7%
11. Kentucky - 47.7%
12. Wisconsin - 44.4%
13. Louisiana - 44.1%
14. Utah - 43.9%
14. Tennessee - 43.9%
16. Oklahoma - 42.9%
16. Iowa - 42.9%
18. South Carolina - 42.3%
19. Kansas - 42.1%
20. Vermont - 42.0%
21. Missouri - 41.7%
21. Minnesota - 41.7%
23. North Carolina - 41.3%
24. Maine - 40.5%
25. Georgia - 40.3%
Now I dunno about North/South & white/other, but that's definitely overwhelmingly Republican.
States with Extremely High Populations of Gun Owners(more than 50%)
1. Wyoming - 59.7%
2. Alaska - 57.8%
3. Montana - 57.7%
4. South Dakota - 56.6%
5. West Virginia - 55.4%
6. Mississippi - 55.3%
6. Idaho - 55.3%
6. Arkansas - 55.3%
9. Alabama - 51.7%
10. North Dakota - 50.7%
11. Kentucky - 47.7%
12. Wisconsin - 44.4%
13. Louisiana - 44.1%
14. Utah - 43.9%
14. Tennessee - 43.9%
16. Oklahoma - 42.9%
16. Iowa - 42.9%
18. South Carolina - 42.3%
19. Kansas - 42.1%
20. Vermont - 42.0%
21. Missouri - 41.7%
21. Minnesota - 41.7%
23. North Carolina - 41.3%
24. Maine - 40.5%
25. Georgia - 40.3%
Now I dunno about North/South & white/other, but that's definitely overwhelmingly Republican.
Surprised Texas and Arizona aren't on that list.
Well they have very large populations. Those kind of stats tend to favour lower ones with more gun crazies. Wyoming being top for example, is a fair bit do to with it being the least populated state in the US.
Uh, what? I know I don't agree with the two of you on most things (especially you RD
I'm for addressing some gun control issues for sure but to paint this as a 'north v south' issue is just plain ignorant.
The whole gun culture has always been a predominately white one as has the NRA. That's pretty fecking obvious. And the overwhelming politicization of it has been the work of the post civil rights Republican "Southern Strategy" of racist fearmongering to scare whitey to protect themselves from the evil colored folks. And since Reagan, it's been exploited again by Republicans with this delusional idea that "big government" is going to take your guns and freedom and money away.
In the bigger picture, yet another way (like abortion) to get idiots to vote against their economic interests.
And in the case of Wyoming, full of very large ranches where guns are a necessity.
Very little to do with gun crazies in that sense. They're not just fshing up there.
Well now, it seems like you are not familiar with rap music?
That said, the target audience of said musical genre is young white males so it is certainly debateable.
In case the cows take over?
Someone should tell them Animal Farm wasn't literal.
Yeah I know, I know
A certain genre of rap music glorifies gun play and hardguy gangster macho posing bullocks, but that has basically nothing to do with the 2nd ammendment or the NRA. In fact, the conservative 2nd ammendment folks loathe these people and exploit the fear of these rapper gangster types to further their cause. Minority communties are overwhelming in favor of gun control as they know what gun violence actually means as opposed to the rural and suburban cracker communities.
Maybe has nothing to do with the 2nd amendment but has a lot to do with gun culture in this country. How many very wealthy athletes who have no need for a hand gun in certain situations get busted for one?
All I am saying is to frame this as a southern white issue is ludicrous.
Thats right.....Ludacris.
Shit...the Buffalo Bill museum in Cody has thousands of weapons. I couldn't believe how many there were lining the walls. It's an excellent museum though. the militia and survivalist movement is very strong in Idaho and Montana and I'd expect there's a lot in Wyoming and the Dakotas too.
Not a definitive article by any means, but it gives you a general idea of who gun rights fanaticism appeals to.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/18/gun-appreciation-day-_n_2502568.html
Gun Appreciation Day Sponsored By American Third Position, White Supremacist Group
Firearms enthusiasts around the country are being encouraged to head down to their local gun shops on Saturday, constitutions and American flags in hand, to send a message to President Barack Obama about Second Amendment rights -- and, of course, to buy more guns.
The event is being billed as Gun Appreciation Day and has backing from white supremacist group American Third Position (A3P), Media Matters reported on Friday.
A3P, which is listed on the Gun Appreciation Day website as a sponsor, does little through its own content to veil the fact that the political movement is dedicated to white supremacy . . .
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/18/gun-appreciation-day-_n_2502568.html
Gun Appreciation Day Sponsored By American Third Position, White Supremacist Group
Firearms enthusiasts around the country are being encouraged to head down to their local gun shops on Saturday, constitutions and American flags in hand, to send a message to President Barack Obama about Second Amendment rights -- and, of course, to buy more guns.
The event is being billed as Gun Appreciation Day and has backing from white supremacist group American Third Position (A3P), Media Matters reported on Friday.
A3P, which is listed on the Gun Appreciation Day website as a sponsor, does little through its own content to veil the fact that the political movement is dedicated to white supremacy . . .
Ask a Black Panther what they think about gun control.
Just more leftist media smoke and mirrors. In the UK they'd be sued for libel by tens of thousands.
During the 1960’s, as 70 million children from the post-war baby boom became teenagers and young adults, student radicalism and anti-war protests, turned college campuses into centers of debate and scenes of protest. Confrontations between police (pigs) and students sometimes met with disastrous ends as policemen became notorious for harassment and the brutal treatment of citizens.
Nowhere was student discontent more evident than in California which spawned groups like the Weather Underground, the Symbionese Liberation Army and the Black Panther Party.
In 1966, gun laws in the state of California stated:
“ you could carry a loaded gun out on the street so long as it was registered, not concealed and not pointed in a threatening manner.”
In response to police brutality and deaths at the hands of the police, the Black Panther Party formed Black Panther Police Patrols. Members listened to police calls on a short wave radio, rushed to the scene of the arrest with law books in hand and informed the person being arrested of their constitutional rights. They also carried loaded weapons, which were publicly displayed, but were careful to stand at least ten feet from the arrest to avoid allegations of interference with an arrest.
In an attempt to end the Panther Police Patrols, legislator Don Mulford introduced a bill the media called “the Panther Bill”. The Mulford Act repealed the law that permitted citizens to carry loaded weapons in public places.
Upon learning of the Act, the Black Panther Party sent a group of members to the State Capitol to protest. They carried loaded rifles and shotguns, publicly displayed and read the gun law out on the lawn. Despite the fact their act was perfectly legal, they were all arrested. The legislature responded by passing the bill, effectively outlawing Black Panther Safety Patrols. It was signed into law 2 months later by Governor Ronald Reagan.
http://www.thepragmaticpundit.com/2012/12/lets-strap-on-uzi-and-go-stand-on-steps.html
You could probably do it in a day too.
Maybe has nothing to do with the 2nd amendment but has a lot to do with gun culture in this country. How many very wealthy athletes who have no need for a hand gun in certain situations get busted for one?
All I am saying is to frame this as a southern white issue is ludicrous.
Thats right.....Ludacris.
I think you have to separate on one hand the gun culture prevalent in the US due to it's extremely violent past of war, genocide, slavery, racism, inequality, inner city poverty, etc . . . and how the second amendment and NRA and gun rights are being exploited and used by the Republican party and right wingers (typically very very white) for votes and power.
They are two totally different issues.
Definitely, I think mostly it's the wolves eating rancher's livestock, though. From what I know the militia movement was dealt a heavy blow by the backlash from the Oklahoma bombings, that or it went deep underground.
Yes yes, easily comparable to white Republican conservative America in the 21st century. Excellent example.
the NRA is a mouthpiece of gun manufacturers. They hide behind hunters...your average next door weekend deer hunter.
...and the assault weapon owners also use them as cover.
The GOP uses the fear of these hunters...to pay back the gun manufacturers for their bankrolling them.
One thing I'm sure, I'm safer at my home than you at yours, we can't have the best of the 2 worlds, Europe has more crime and we have more murders. We have more diversity but things are changing in Europe and in about 20 years lets talk about crime and murder rates again.
Just change the above with any of UK, France, Portugal, Spain, Germany.... they fit like a glove.
Bingo! White people need their guns!
Was gonna post a pic of a Black Panther, but this.
Maher made an interesting point that handguns tend to affect minority populations more and 'assault weapons' used in mass-shootings tend to hit white, middle-class people.
This probably explains why everybody is saying 'we don't want to ban handguns, just the scary assault weapons.'
This probably explains why everybody is saying 'we don't want to ban handguns, just the scary assault weapons.'
Literally none of that makes sense.
a) I can assure you I feel pretty fecking safe, and I live in London, one of the most "diverse" cities in the world. But as long as you're sure, feel free to enjoy your armed bunker. You're welcome to it.
b) Your assumption about diversity is misleading. Weirdly enough Manchester was recently named the most diverse city in the world per populace. With Paris & London also in the top 5. Toronto also has a huge amount of diversity, nearly equatable with NY, and isn't even in the top 10 murder rates in Canada.
You have some cities with a huge amount of diversity, but ironically the cities with the highest proportion of guns are among the LEAST diverse in the entire American continent.
c) You're equating diversity with murder. London is more diverse than Alabama or Louisiana, both of which have far higher murder rates. Also see Toronto - which according to the UN has the second-highest percentage of constant foreign-born population among world cities - above.
d) You're happy to have more people die because you get less stuff stolen. Which is frankly insane.
Yeah, but you live in some posh part of London. Or are you slumming it with the masses to appear cooler?
I'm just a double 'ard bastard Grin. People don't mess with me. They know not to, just by the hair.
To be fair to Toronto, we're pretty big compared to other Canadian cities which unfairly distorts our murder rate numbers. That said they are pretty low, I don't think I've seen a year in my dozen or so here with over 100 murders. Tellingly, most of them are related to gangs and drugs...this can be said for a lot of murders in Canada. Interestingly enough, the weapon of choice is now the knife. Guns and ammunition are hard to come by unless you are legally allowed to posess them. Plus one for a little gun control, although gun murder rates have been declining for over 40 years.
The UN's Development Programme ranked Toronto as having the second-highest percentage of constant foreign-born population among world cities. So even if we're just dealing in percentages, it still shits on his "we have more diversity, thus they're more likely to kill us" bullshit.
I live by myself, in Belfast. It's never really crossed my mind that I might be burgled or that I'm not safe in my own home. It must actually be a bit shit being that worried about crime that you have to own several guns.
The last time I checked, NI had pretty reasonable gun control laws. Has it become more restirctive recently?
What I do find a bit interesting is that countries with more of a social safety net seem to have lower rates of violent crime.
Yeah but that's just because you don't have as much diversity Phil. If you knew there was a darky or a mexican no more than a mile from your door at any moment, you'd arm up pretty quick.
Yeah but they're mostly Fillipinos. Lovely people, especially when you've got the Beckham effect going for you, like I do.
I thought Ireland had lots of guns.
This is the guy who was more worried about his TV getting wet than getting the hell out and saving his arse when the Delaware was about to burst its banks.
