Gun control

RedPed said:
I wonder how long the outrage lasts before it is forgotten and they move on to the next one...

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Just saw the video horrific stuff to think anyone could be that twisted to commit something like that and stream it live.

People need to be held responsible for these morons that commit these acts whether it's gun makers or the politicians who spread this racism

He clearly thought he was living a video game and good knows how long he was practicing before he did it for real

Then the gun laws in US are pathetic no one needs a gun to go slot their normal daily life.
 
lsd said:
Just saw the video horrific stuff to think anyone could be that twisted to commit something like that and stream it live.

People need to be held responsible for these morons that commit these acts whether it's gun makers or the politicians who spread this racism

He clearly thought he was living a video game and good knows how long he was practicing before he did it for real

Then the gun laws in US are pathetic no one needs a gun to go slot their normal daily life.
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It took Dunblane...just the one incident for the UK to lay the smack down and put guns in their rightful place. If the Americans ain't feeling it after Sandy Hook, they're doomed. Feck 'em.
 
RedPed said:
It took Dunblane...just the one incident for the UK to lay the smack down and put guns in their rightful place. If the Americans ain't feeling it after Sandy Hook, they're doomed. Feck 'em.
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And I cannot emphasize enough on how that silly reasoning about "a good guy with a gun" is among Second Amendment activists. Are they even aware on how many times that so-called good guy either cowered or was among the very first to get wasted in a mass shooting?

And feck Charlton Heston while we're on the topic. He changed everything for the worst since he was leading the NRA at the time when the topic of gun control was raised after Columbine. Excellent actor, but shit human being.
 
Let's hope they can agree on something constructive.

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They need 10 GOP votes but how can they go against 80-90% of the population who are said to be in favour of background checks at the very least?
 
RoyH1 said:
That's just mindboggling.
How many have to die for the Republican's to ever do something about this?
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Hate to say but until one of their high profile brethren loses a child in a mass shooting.
 
Did anyone see Candace Owens rant on guns? I am so, so confused. She has posted pics of trans men and a fat women and inferred it's why we have a gun violence problem.
 
shamans said:
Did anyone see Candace Owens rant on guns? I am so, so confused. She has posted pics of trans men and a fat women and inferred it's why we have a gun violence problem.
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The right immediately tried to paint the shooter as trans. So much show that there are already reports of trans students in Texas being assaulted as revenge for the shooting. They will do anything to demonize the groups they don't like and to protect their precious assault weapons.
 
MarylandMUFan said:
The right immediately tried to paint the shooter as trans. So much show that there are already reports of trans students in Texas being assaulted as revenge for the shooting. They will do anything to demonize the groups they don't like and to protect their precious assault weapons.
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It's one of the most alternative reality ridiculous things I've seen
 
calodo2003 said:
It would be an existential crisis for the Republican, but my money’s on them siding with the guns.
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100%

Look at the (republican supporting) cops that went in and got their 'own' kids out of school before the shooter could get to them. Or the covid parents whose kids died in their arms because of not getting the vaccine.

The republicans would all side with guns if their whole families were taken out. But that's not going to happen because everything happening there seems to be well coordinated. It's not as random as people are still believing.
 
This question may have already come up in this thread (apologies if so), but why can't there be federally mandated insurance for gun ownership set at a very high minimum premium on a per gun basis? Let's say $1,000 per annum per gun on average (less for pistols, more for assault rifles etc)?

This would very significantly raise the cost of gun ownership and so reduce demand, without infringing 2nd amendment rights. And the insurers would have to pay all relevant costs - legal costs, police costs, medical treatment costs, compensation to the victim or their families, etc) - if the gun concerned was used to inflict harm on another human except in proven cases of self-defence or where the gun was stolen.
 
GlastonSpur said:
This question may have already come up in this thread (apologies if so), but why can't there be federally mandated insurance for gun ownership set at a very high minimum premium on a per gun basis? Let's say $1,000 per annum per gun on average (less for pistols, more for assault rifles etc)?

This would very significantly raise the cost of gun ownership and so reduce demand, without infringing 2nd amendment rights. And the insurers would have to pay all relevant costs - legal costs, police costs, medical treatment costs, compensation to the victim or their families, etc) - if the gun concerned was used to inflict harm on another human except in proven cases of self-defence or where the gun was stolen.
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They could do that but this Supreme Court has shown that they will strike down any law that makes it harder to own guns. It puts us in a no win situation.
 
I am in England, so do not fully understand the motives behind gun situation in the US.
But I was listening to someone in Texas who was in favour of the gun lobby.
And he was advocating children going to school in Bullet Proof Vests.
 
GlastonSpur said:
This question may have already come up in this thread (apologies if so), but why can't there be federally mandated insurance for gun ownership set at a very high minimum premium on a per gun basis? Let's say $1,000 per annum per gun on average (less for pistols, more for assault rifles etc)?

This would very significantly raise the cost of gun ownership and so reduce demand, without infringing 2nd amendment rights. And the insurers would have to pay all relevant costs - legal costs, police costs, medical treatment costs, compensation to the victim or their families, etc) - if the gun concerned was used to inflict harm on another human except in proven cases of self-defence or where the gun was stolen.
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You're missing the problem. The problem is not what can be done to reduce gun violence. But what if the power that be blocked everything?

Everyone with common sense can fix this problem, they just cant go against the NRA.
 
Buster15 said:
I am in England, so do not fully understand the motives behind gun situation in the US.
But I was listening to someone in Texas who was in favour of the gun lobby.
And he was advocating children going to school in Bullet Proof Vests.
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The entire gun culture is nuts. It's why you see civilians getting kitted out in tactical gear like they are soldiers in Iraq. It's like they thrive off of the idea of living in a war zone.
 
MarylandMUFan said:
The entire gun culture is nuts. It's why you see civilians getting kitted out in tactical gear like they are soldiers in Iraq. It's like they thrive off of the idea of living in a war zone.
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Oh definitely. You get the feeling that they dream about having a war commencing on their doorstep.
 
FrankDrebin said:
Oh definitely. You get the feeling that they dream about having a war commencing on their doorstep.
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I had thought that they much preferred to fight wars as far from the US as possible.
But anyway. The concept of being allowed to purchase Assault Rifles at 18, or any age for that matter is strange in the extreme.
 
Buster15 said:
I am in England, so do not fully understand the motives behind gun situation in the US.
But I was listening to someone in Texas who was in favour of the gun lobby.
And he was advocating children going to school in Bullet Proof Vests.
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In the US, there is an fundamentalist movement regarding the US Constitution that is perverting minds, especially in more rural, conservative and predominantly white areas. That movement is as bad as some radicalist religious groups around the world. Gun culture is a tenet of that movement. The main problem is that the Second Amendment was written in old English and yet disregards changes in the language and social context. I don't think anyone who lived in 1776 would have ever imagined how fast technological advances in weaponry would get for the following 256 years.

Some of the most advanced nations out there used to have lots of guns in circulation before tragedy (like Dunblane, Port Arthur and the Christchurch mosque massacre) forced their respective societies to do whatever is necessary to protect people with a society-first mindset. That necessary measure is a ban/buyback on firearms. One other problem in the US is how highly individualistic their society is, and it is a major obstacle against gun reform as well. Nevertheless, that young generation that has been living in fear of school shootings (post-Columbine) is now coming of age to become decision makers of their own and is a lot more open to what is done elsewhere; that is where hope remains.
 
RedDevilQuebecois said:
In the US, there is an fundamentalist movement regarding the US Constitution that is perverting minds, especially in more rural, conservative and predominantly white areas. That movement is as bad as some radicalist religious groups around the world. Gun culture is a tenet of that movement. The main problem is that the Second Amendment was written in old English and yet disregards changes in the language and social context. I don't think anyone who lived in 1776 would have ever imagined how fast technological advances in weaponry would get for the following 256 years.

Some of the most advanced nations out there used to have lots of guns in circulation before tragedy (like Dunblane, Port Arthur and the Christchurch mosque massacre) forced their respective societies to do whatever is necessary to protect people with a society-first mindset. That necessary measure is a ban/buyback on firearms. One other problem in the US is how highly individualistic their society is, and it is a major obstacle against gun reform as well. Nevertheless, that young generation that has been living in fear of school shootings (post-Columbine) is now coming of age to become decision makers of their own and is a lot more open to what is done elsewhere; that is where hope remains.
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Thank you for this informative post, which I can understand.
And your last point is hopefully the way forward.
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61615236


A US woman has fatally shot a man who opened fire on a crowd of people with a semi-automatic rifle in Charleston, West Virginia.
Dennis Butler, a 37-year-old with an extensive criminal history, was killed after he targeted a group of around 40 people attending a birthday party.
Police spokesman Tony Hazelett said the woman's quick reaction saved lives and may have prevented a mass shooting.
It comes amid a national debate over guns after a school shooting in Texas.
Butler had driven by the area earlier on Wednesday evening when he was warned to slow down because children were playing.
He returned armed with an AR-15-type rifle and opened fire from his vehicle on the birthday-graduation party outside the apartment complex in the city.
 
Frosty said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61615236


A US woman has fatally shot a man who opened fire on a crowd of people with a semi-automatic rifle in Charleston, West Virginia.
Dennis Butler, a 37-year-old with an extensive criminal history, was killed after he targeted a group of around 40 people attending a birthday party.
Police spokesman Tony Hazelett said the woman's quick reaction saved lives and may have prevented a mass shooting.
It comes amid a national debate over guns after a school shooting in Texas.
Butler had driven by the area earlier on Wednesday evening when he was warned to slow down because children were playing.
He returned armed with an AR-15-type rifle and opened fire from his vehicle on the birthday-graduation party outside the apartment complex in the city.
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Vigilanteism, great.
 
Frosty said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61615236


A US woman has fatally shot a man who opened fire on a crowd of people with a semi-automatic rifle in Charleston, West Virginia.
Dennis Butler, a 37-year-old with an extensive criminal history, was killed after he targeted a group of around 40 people attending a birthday party.
Police spokesman Tony Hazelett said the woman's quick reaction saved lives and may have prevented a mass shooting.
It comes amid a national debate over guns after a school shooting in Texas.
Butler had driven by the area earlier on Wednesday evening when he was warned to slow down because children were playing.
He returned armed with an AR-15-type rifle and opened fire from his vehicle on the birthday-graduation party outside the apartment complex in the city.
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Oh feck off. This, along with the teacher leaving the door ajar, will be the right’s talking points now.
 
To own a gun you should have to pass an exam like a driver's license. Make it a little strict with an age limit and family references.

Then create a gun bust police arm sorta like ones that do drug raids. If you're caught with a gun without a license make it a jail sentences.

You must also renew your license every now and then.

I think this solution is one that can easily be passed.
 
shamans said:
To own a gun you should have to pass an exam like a driver's license. Make it a little strict with an age limit and family references.
Then create a gun bust police arm sorta like ones that do drug raids. If you're caught with a gun without a license make it a jail sentences.
You must also renew your license every now and then.
I think this solution is one that can easily be passed.
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You don't know American politics then. Yes, your idea makes perfect sense. It has no way of going forward let alone passing.
 
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