Gun control

there is no need for them either.

obviously you know more about such things.

I have no problems with people owning hunting rifles or hand guns.

But even with these there needs to be background checks and wait times.
I always mention Canada. What are they doing right?

Dwayne is the poster I always say is a good example.

Even for these automatic weapons, there are gun clubs where they can be used and kept there. Keeping guns under lock and key. Licenses. We need a license to drive a car.

It boils down to money and corruption. Just look at the health care vote they tried to ram down.
Follow the money.

Canada don't have the culture that underpins gun rights in America.
 
Canada don't have the culture that underpins gun rights in America.

perhaps. but common sense says, these shooting are not acceptable. There is no will because of open corruption.
I know hunters who are all for common sense gun laws. Of course you have the ones who believe their guns will be taken away. Where is the misinformation coming from?
 
there is no need for them either.

obviously you know more about such things.

I have no problems with people owning hunting rifles or hand guns.

But even with these there needs to be background checks and wait times.
I always mention Canada. What are they doing right?

Dwayne is the poster I always say is a good example.

Even for these automatic weapons, there are gun clubs where they can be used and kept there. Keeping guns under lock and key. Licenses. We need a license to drive a car.

It boils down to money and corruption. Just look at the health care vote they tried to ram down.
Follow the money.
Semi-auto just means that when the trigger is pulled, the gun discharges a single round, then places the next round in the chamber itself. Many "hunting rifles and handguns" that you speak of are semi-auto.

I agree with the rest of your post. More should be done and there are options that are readily available to be examined that would still comply with the country's Constitution.
 
I agree with you completely here. Guns are only one of a myriad of issues we are facing. To me, what we are seeing is something like the internal disintegration of Rome in the years preceding the Barbarian conquest.
Yes. I do hope there are millions of Americans that see that too and do everything they can to change things before it's too late. There's so much about America that is wonderful, and it's very much in the planet's interests for things to turn out well for you.
 
The NRA, talk radio, Fox News, and the Republican Party

exactly. They need to be called out on them.
I dont agree with a blanket ban on guns either.Start there and say what we are for

It will take someone from that background and speak to the truth with courage. A war vetren or someone with a blue color rural background.
We have people like that.

Just moving to candidates. The DNC should not slice and dice its electorate to try and win.

It should be an American party.

Start there. The party will then find its voice.

All our culture needs to be embraced.
 
That's what worries me. I want to grab people by the collar sometimes and remind them that we thrust ourselves into this position in the world so we'd better figure our shit out

Dude I know. I just stay in my office sometimes lime today. Laughing about trash pickup while people running for their lives. Laughing. I can't deal so I close my door and put on my headphones before I go crazy.
 
Dude I know. I just stay in my office sometimes lime today. Laughing about trash pickup while people running for their lives. Laughing. I can't deal so I close my door and put on my headphones before I go crazy.
I try to show kids the news and tell them about wtf happened in LV, but I have to call them down and call them out on being too stuck into their fecking phones to see wtf happened. Infuriating.
 
Oh look, Piers Morgan being a cnut.

In other news, the sun rose this morning, and will set later today, water is wet and according to some reports grass is green.
 
Oh look, Piers Morgan being a cnut.

In other news, the sun rose this morning, and will set later today, water is wet and according to some reports grass is green.
That's an optimistic way of looking at things. You really cannot be sure.

Piers Morgan, however, will continue being a cnut even if the world ends.
 
Obama was blocked from introducing gun control by republicans, now republicans are attacking Obama for not introducing gun control?
 
What do we make of Michael Moore's conclusion in Bowling for Columbine that it's the media over and above gun laws (or lack of) that account for the mass shootings in America?

I remember watching it the first time and buying into it. Now I still see his point but think it's a very naive documentary.
 
Oh look, Piers Morgan being a cnut.

In other news, the sun rose this morning, and will set later today, water is wet and according to some reports grass is green.

What’s quite impressive here is he’s managed to somehow still come across as a thunderous cock womble on the one and only issue he’s ever taken a reasonable stance one. Hats off to him for his boundless capacity to make people hate him.
 
What do we make of Michael Moore's conclusion in Bowling for Columbine that it's the media over and above gun laws (or lack of) that account for the mass shootings in America?

I remember watching it the first time and buying into it. Now I still see his point but think it's a very naive documentary.

The media certainly do not help.

 
What’s quite impressive here is he’s managed to somehow still come across as a thunderous cock womble on the one and only issue he’s ever taken a reasonable stance one. Hats off to him for his boundless capacity to make people hate him.

It's impressive for sure. Shame he can't take off his partisan blinders and aim his frustration where it belongs, with his pals in the GOP.
 
I found an interesting explanation for the American rights viewpoint of the matter:

The key is to stop thinking of yourself as society, but rather as a total individual. We know that more guns in a society leads to more gun deaths (but not necessarily murders tbh, huge amounts of 'gun death' statistics are from suicide), but think of the individual's view:

I'M not going to kill any innocent people or commit a crime with the gun.
I'M not a risk for mass shootings.
What if somebody attacks ME or MY family?
I like guns, why can't I use them, I didn't do anything wrong.

Check's out with their argumentation in regards to health care.
 
"What are you going to do about it?"

"we're not going to do much of anything hopefully"

:lol: Jesus wept
 
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...onservatives-reinvented-the-second-amendment/

btw the 2nd amendment has been misinterpreted. I do remember this discussion that it was meant for state millitias not for individuals.

But very few in congress will have the guts to restate this.

Also I under the midfications that allow semi autimatic weapons to make them automatic weapons are legal. Make them illegal to be sold.
 
"What are you going to do about it?"

"we're not going to do much of anything hopefully"

:lol: Jesus wept
He was banging on about it in the USA as well without getting anywhere. It's just that now he can shout down people because he's the Kingpin on GMTV
 
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...onservatives-reinvented-the-second-amendment/

btw the 2nd amendment has been misinterpreted. I do remember this discussion that it was meant for state millitias not for individuals.

But very few in congress will have the guts to restate this.

Also I under the midfications that allow semi autimatic weapons to make them automatic weapons are legal. Make them illegal to be sold.

The way the the American constitution works, it isn't necessarily a missinterpretation. It's an interpretation currently hold up by laws and by courts. Thus, it's the current interpretation and the right interpretation. Very few things are explicitely stated in the American constitution.
 
The way the the American constitution works, it isn't necessarily a missinterpretation. It's an interpretation currently hold up by laws and by courts. Thus, it's the current interpretation and the right interpretation. Very few things are explicitely stated in the American constitution.
Free speech and freedom of the press didn't mean much when the US felt the need to criminalize communists and their publications in the early 20th century.

The Bill of Rights is just a convenient prop used to justify political and economic interests of the American ruling class.
 
Free speech and freedom of the press didn't mean much when the US felt the need to criminalize communists and their publications in the early 20th century.

The Bill of Rights is just a convenient prop used to justify political and economic interests of the American ruling class.

It's both a flawed and fascinating piece of legislation. On the one hand, the constitution is flexible enough to have stayed in place for 250 years, something constitutions rarely, if ever archieve. On the other hand it's way too flexible in case the federal and state legislations agree on something. Your's is on example, others are the Japanese Americans in WW2.
 
Free speech and freedom of the press didn't mean much when the US felt the need to criminalize communists and their publications in the early 20th century.

The Bill of Rights is just a convenient prop used to justify political and economic interests of the American ruling class.
Is that a thing? Isn't it just the rich? Or are there poor people that are considered part of the ruling class there, as in the UK?
 
Is that a thing? Isn't it just the rich? Or are there poor people that are considered part of the ruling class there, as in the UK?
The rich and powerful.

Noble sentiments like 'the pursuit of happiness' are all fine and dandy when you keep your head down and make profits for the masters. The moment things went south they have no qualms infringing those 'sacred rights' as freely as they wish.

There are many instances throughout the history of the US when constitutional rights of one group of people or another have been infringed upon and often done with public acquiescence. The interpretation of this or that clause has never been the issue.