Lmao. More like "Let's have Banana Republic-like safety regulations to enable cheapass solutions and shift the blame on the contractors if things go south".
Grenfell Tower Fire | 14th June 2017
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Lmao. More like "Let's have Banana Republic-like safety regulations to enable cheapass solutions and shift the blame on the contractors if things go south".
Ah, Erica. Not seen her around in a while.
This is the political version of when Liverpool supported Suarez through the Evra racism row. Just when you thought they'd done the most stupid thing possible, they did another stupid thing. Then another. Then another.
Can't wait for Theresea May to wear a t-shirt with Kensington Borough Council on it
John McDonnell said:
Well said.
Was this 'well said':
Or a falsehood spoken for political gain?
There are valid arguments for reversing some of the cuts we've seen since the financial crash, the above is not one of them. Indeed it only serves to devalue what of sense he might speak.
Do you believe that more firefighters and higher pay would have saved the lives of residents at Grenfell? Yes or no?
Has such even been suggested? As it was we had nearly half of capital's resources committed by my reckoning.
McDonnell is saying that cuts to the LFB killed residents, not that London's resources might be spread thinly in the event of such a fire.
@Nick 0208 Ldn
Mcdonnell isn't just talking about pay
as my previous post showed the cuts to the fire service have had a range of effects, such as respond times and the ability to enforce fire safety.
What I am certain about is for us to have a safer society we need a fire force that is not only well staffed and well paid but one that has power to enforce the correct regulations.
Mcdonnell isn't just talking about pay
as my previous post showed the cuts to the fire service have had a range of effects, such as respond times and the ability to enforce fire safety.
Maybe.
What I am certain about is for us to have a safer society we need a fire force that is not only well staffed and well paid but one that has power to enforce the correct regulations.
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Isn't that the building regulators job and maybe even the HSE? If the fire brigade are turned into regulators then their workload will increase massively and would require more training and/or recruitment for performing a regulatory role. Whilst I agree something needs to be done to improve/enforce fire regs, i think the fire brigade should provide advice or raise concerns (where they feel its needed) and then allow a regulator to enforce the regs. Im sure the fire brigade do already have some power for intervening in some cases, e.g. closing a venue if too many people there which exceeds safe limit.
I understand that people dont want to leave their homes, but what about the firefighters that would have to go and reacue them if god forbid something did happen in one of these blocks?
Haven't been keeping up so much with the latest so: has it been proven that the cladding used is not allowed on high rises?
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I feel very sorry for the firefighters, they have had a huge amount to deal with recently and not just in London.
I think to tell people they have to leave their homes immediately is all very well - but you have to have somewhere for them to go that isn't a sports hall floor. How you work out the logistics of that at short notice, I have no idea.
I don't know how people cope if they are elderly or disabled, if they have babies or even dogs and cats. I was thinking of what we'd do if someone knocked on our door and said "you have to leave today" - I just don't think we could manage it. It's one thing if people have family to stay with or enough money to get their pets looked after, but a lot of people won't have either of those things.
It's a terrible situation. I can understand people not willing to move but your life has to take precedence over everything. It's a few months of hardship in exchange for not having to live in a building made of matchsticks.
Hotpoint/Indesit stuff is the worst. There is a reason it's £100 cheaper than anything else.
But you can't really blame them for the tower fire. It was a ticking time bomb.
I don't blame them for it but I just think it's a shit brand. They expected me to wait 12 months til my faulty dryer could be repaired. I'd rather be out of pocket than gamble with my family's safety.
Yes expecting people to up sticks at the drop of a hat, in the middle of the night, isnt on. Likewise sleeping on the floor of sports hall is also not good enough.
You could say that about anything though. Even in the most safety conscious and heavily regulated industries like aerospace there is still a calculated risk involved. Is it worth the cost/inconvenience to replace this part for the miniscule risk that it will break in flight?
The 60 odd towers had this cladding for upwards of 10 years in some cases. The risk of another fire like this, now the fault is known, in the handful of days it takes to find proper accommodation or rip the cladding down is almost zero.
You give the residents the option. Go immediately or wait for proper alternatives to be found. What you don't do is desperately milk the publicity and force everyone out of their homes with nowhere to put them.
I thought it was "put yourself in the shoes of Drake for once."
Sir Francis?
60 blocks tested so far, 60 failed. According to the Guardian
Do you think authorities might consider them potential terrorist targets?
https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/hotpointservice.co.uk
I used to think that anything under 8 was low until I saw this....a rating of 0.5 is pretty appalling.
Some of them are also short of a load of fire doors.
Just watched a video today on Youtube where a guy points out how the Grenfell tower was burning for like 12 hours and still standing but a certain other two towers in another country fell into themselves at freefall speed after only 50 minutes.
Circumstances of how they set alight very different of course but then so was the quality of buildings, massively. One was a cheap tower block clearly put up with corners and safety cut, the others in were designed to withstand plane crashes due to their height and were symbols of money and power.
Certainly raises a few eye brows but you see very few people mentioning this when talking of the buildings safety points. How is that building still standing after what we saw in 2001?
Circumstances of how they set alight very different of course but then so was the quality of buildings, massively. One was a cheap tower block clearly put up with corners and safety cut, the others in were designed to withstand plane crashes due to their height and were symbols of money and power.
Certainly raises a few eye brows but you see very few people mentioning this when talking of the buildings safety points. How is that building still standing after what we saw in 2001?
But this is the government through and through. Just like when there health or drug advisor told them ecstasy and cannabis were safer than alcohol they sacked him. Now their own fire experts warn of the high risks of these types of crammed in Judge Dredd housing blocks and they don't listen. Now people are dead.
They don't work for the people at all, they work for big business and old money families, there is no democracy in the UK. We just get a vote every 4 years and can only pick 1 of two parties in a riggged first past the post system, designed to make sure no one else can ever rise to the top, in which the people who cast votes minds are heavily influence by the rich peoples media they are bombarded with anyway.
Maybe one day lol....
From what I can remember about a documentary the Towers had a design flaw, it didn't have a concrete inner core or support columns. The design instead was to use steel columns and encase them with fire proof foam but the problem was the impact of the plane blew off the foam and thus revealed the steel. Add high temperature fire and the steel heats up to a point where it structurally fails.
Grenfell tower had the inner core, it had the support columns, it was a well designed building. The flaw to Grenfell came with the modernising cost cutting.
Ultimately just because something is expensive doesn't mean it's designed well, The Titanic is a great example of this.
Impact of two huge aircraft, the beginning of the collapse of both buildings was at or near the point of impact. Don't confuse the cladding issue, which was new cladding with the idea the entire building had substandard materials. Different types of buildings, built differently. Same as the impact on the Pentagon was different from the situation at WTC,
For god sake. Piss off with this nonsense into the conspiracy theory thread.
Can you genuinely not answer this yourself?
95 tower blocks out of 95 have now failed the test, although some questions have been raised as to how the tests are done.
Used to be we were ruled by rich landowning bastards who were concerned with maintaining the status quo for themselves, now we are ruled by.....nope.........cant see any difference myself.