Where are they housing the residents while they carry out the works?
Grenfell Tower Fire | 14th June 2017
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Well Done to Camden Council for acting so quick , they could not guarantee the safety of their residents and within an hour were moving them out, but it does beg the question who the hell gave the green light to install the cladding in the first place.
Heads need to roll for this and that needs to be done quickly
It is going to be hard to find them all somewhere to stay, but what is the other alternative, there maybe another fire and they burn to death.
Heads need to roll for this and that needs to be done quickly
It is going to be hard to find them all somewhere to stay, but what is the other alternative, there maybe another fire and they burn to death.
Obviously they have to move them out given the risk. I just hope there won't be a load of families sleeping on a sports hall floor for the next six weeks, if there's any way it can be avoided.
Probably because the residents don't want to be put up at Heathrow airport.
That is outrageous. The fecking cheek.
Camden are evacuating 5 of their blocks, 
.
4000 people.
source: BBC news
.4000 people.
source: BBC news
Camden are evacuating 5 of their blocks,
4000 people.
source: BBC news
Surely the answer is better daily monitoring, not an evacuation?
A resident on Sky News said she wasn't given any advanced warning and only found out about it from the news. She said it is disgusting that they only found out at 8.30 on a Friday and it isn't at all clear where they're going.Camden are evacuating 5 of their blocks,
4000 people.
source: BBC news
Another one has said they've not heard anything from the council either and only found out from radio/news.
Two more said they got a letter in the morning saying works are taking place but nothing about any evacuations and they only found out about it from the news as well.
Apparently they'll be evacuated for 2-4 weeks while works are taking place.
The issue with the evacuation seems to be that the council leader went straight to the media to announce it rather than allow the council staff to first inform the residents.
A lot of the frustration from the residents is that they heard it first on the news.
A lot of the frustration from the residents is that they heard it first on the news.
Though there were some residents who were moaning and saying its a knee jerk reaction and they wont comply with the evacuation request.
there are conflicting reports, some saying its compulsary, some saying its voluntary.
it should be voluntary, but who really knows at the moment which it is
A Camden resident is nearly in tears on LBC right now. This sounds like a mess, albeit of a less life threatening nature.
ETA: The caller has just said that they will not leave their home.
Does the council now forcefully remove them?
ETA: The caller has just said that they will not leave their home.
Does the council now forcefully remove them?
BBC News seemed to say it was voluntary but if there's a genuine fire risk then im not sure how that can be the case.
You'll have some people who sadly arent in any health physically or mentally to be chucked out out their home for a month.
What is pissing people off even more is receiving their marching orders by way of TV/Radio/social media.
The disabled, pregnant women or those with very young children, pets...there are numerous reasons as to why leaving on such short notice would be problematic.
I suppose a compromise optio, would have been the immediate (or near as) removal or residents from the upper storeys, residents beyond the reach of firefighters or easy escape.
The issue of housing elderly and vulnerable residents on the higher floors needs looking at.
It happened with Grenfell and now Sky were interviewing a 91 year old in Camden who lived in one of the upper floors of the blocks that's been evacuated.
It happened with Grenfell and now Sky were interviewing a 91 year old in Camden who lived in one of the upper floors of the blocks that's been evacuated.
Yes, good point. Wouldn't surprise me if a legacy of this is regulations on how far 'up' the elderly, disabled and vulnerable can be housed.
It is of course possible that some elderly residents have been living there a long time and aged naturally in place. Those reliant on wheelchairs are a clear-cut case, and shouldn't really be more than several floors up.
An extract from the New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/23/...column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
Surely there has to be some sort of safety standard (E.U. or British) that requires this sort of test to be carried out prior to the materials being used in residential properties...
It's a right mess. Seems the council leader is more concerned with milking the publicity than she is with the residents. There's such a thing as calculated risk too.
It look like the UK regulations have been allowed to get out of date.
New materials have come in that are flammable, but they aren't explicitly banned. Instead it looks like the get out clauses in the regulations that allow them to be used in some situations, provided you get the design/methodology agreed by various people.
The net effect is that it may spread the legal responsibility around. That probably includes people who didn't understand the design but who trusted the experts linked to the specialist contractors. And fire/building control inspectors who couldn't possibly confirm that it was installed according to the rules in the so-called safe design, unless they were on site full-time with eyes in the back of their heads, and expert knowledge of the specific materials and processes.
Remember all the dodgy flammable foam that was in furniture until it was banned because of all the fire related deaths? It's almost as if there was a stockpile of it, nobody knew what to do with it, and then someone's came up with a brainwave.
"An optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty" - Winston Churchill.
"An optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty" - Winston Churchill.
Wasn't there legislation about furniture foam after the Woolworths Piccadilly fire? @Badunk
27 blocks now?
Agree with @jojojo about various responsibility
Various causes too going on through towards Grenfell happening
Landlord Approach, Attitude & Evasion of Responsibility (Driven by Profit) - even in so-called social sector (Conservative Government not wanting any responsibility for providing housing for poor or unwell people) - some would say why should they**
Standard of Building & Maintenance Work - cash saving & corner cutting outside of improvements programme (1997 Labour initiative to begin with, bit of Green drive here, which become commerce driven, inevitable innit?)
Monitoring of Building & Maintenance Work - including Heating / Gas Improvements, also Gas Maintenance, although regs around this have been tightened in recent years - anyone noticed there has been a few serious explosions though, Oldham, Irlam
large scale Cladding of large blocks
dodgy fridge
hot night, windows of block are all open
**sliding into view here, is that UK economic growth & financial well being are based on (increasing) property values - prosperity for everyone, apart from those people that we don't care about / don't deserve anything
27 blocks now?
Agree with @jojojo about various responsibility
Various causes too going on through towards Grenfell happening
Landlord Approach, Attitude & Evasion of Responsibility (Driven by Profit) - even in so-called social sector (Conservative Government not wanting any responsibility for providing housing for poor or unwell people) - some would say why should they**
Standard of Building & Maintenance Work - cash saving & corner cutting outside of improvements programme (1997 Labour initiative to begin with, bit of Green drive here, which become commerce driven, inevitable innit?)
Monitoring of Building & Maintenance Work - including Heating / Gas Improvements, also Gas Maintenance, although regs around this have been tightened in recent years - anyone noticed there has been a few serious explosions though, Oldham, Irlam
large scale Cladding of large blocks
dodgy fridge
hot night, windows of block are all open
**sliding into view here, is that UK economic growth & financial well being are based on (increasing) property values - prosperity for everyone, apart from those people that we don't care about / don't deserve anything
anyone know this book - I need to re-read it too,
also looks like this
brilliant book, anyway
brilliant book, anyway
The gas explosion in Shaw, Oldham? If so that was an attempted murder/suicide by a father to his kid but only the kid died.
It isn't surprising that it's a Hotpoint branded fridge freezer that caught on fire. I used to have a Hotpoint tumble dryer that was classed as one oft thousands faulty machine that had a danger of catching fire. I was given a 12 month wait before an engineer could come out and fix. My family's safety couldn't wait that long so I bought a new one. I've just seen this on mumsnet:-
https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2962438-To-think-Hotpoint-are-shitheads
https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2962438-To-think-Hotpoint-are-shitheads
The foam formerly used in furniture couldn't be used in cladding I'm fairly sure. Totally different density if nothing else.
I don't know anything about the regulations on materials used in residential properties in the UK, or anywhere else for that matter. It's unnerving to think that the regulations that govern the constuction / renovation of a building can allow for materials that are flammable to be used. Scary.
I hope they can find someone responsible for the fires, but from what you're saying its doesn't sound like thats going to happen.
I remember, but youre not saying thats what they used are you?
Doesn't look like a high-rise, fortunately.
So it turns out this goes way back to the early 2000s.
Will there be any MPs and councillors left out of prison once everyone them who was serving at the time is locked up for allowing this shit to be put up.
Will there be any MPs and councillors left out of prison once everyone them who was serving at the time is locked up for allowing this shit to be put up.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/if-grenfell-families-move-ill-10679395
ugh. It's not often someone asks you to walk in the shoes of a millionaire.
ugh. It's not often someone asks you to walk in the shoes of a millionaire.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-fire-arconic-idUSKBN19F05M
The suppliers of the panels knew at the time and made it clear that the cladding used is a fire risk.
The suppliers of the panels knew at the time and made it clear that the cladding used is a fire risk.
oh well, - that one doesn't suit my narrative at all,
what an absolute bastard, btw -
, just to state the obviousShe must work at least 48 hour days if she's justifying her comparative opulence on hard work alone.
So at the very least Harley Facades Ltd., the company which installed the panels, and Rydon Group (overall contractor) need to be strung up.
Someone on here famously (well, caf famous) once told someone to "put yourself in the shoes of the middle class for once".