Too little too late.
Grenfell Tower Fire | 14th June 2017
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Too little too late.
The media have reported a large number of people are missing. I must have seen well over 50 unaccounted people, whose pictures have been shown on the news and they have also focused a lot on talking to families of those who are unaccounted for.
Nothing major, but my mum just told me one of her colleagues husband's is a firefighter. According to him bodies/remains pretty much everywhere (presumably as people trying to escape) and that the number is comfortably in the hundreds. They went up to the 20th floor, but then came back down again because the building is not sturdy. Ah, just all so tragic 
Yeah, one of the survivors said he was falling over dead bodies on the stairwell as he was escaping.Nothing major, but my mum just told me one of her colleagues husband's is a firefighter. According to him bodies/remains pretty much everywhere (presumably as people trying to escape) and that the number is comfortably in the hundreds. They went up to the 20th floor, but then came back down again because the building is not sturdy. Ah, just all so tragic
Theresa May apparently bundled away in a car after trying to slip out of a side door and refusing to speak to the public again.
Of course they do get a choice. There is ALWAYS a cost benefit to everything even with safety, and cost is not always simply monetary. The residents should be consulted and they were.
The problem is not with the sprinklers, its with the material used for the cladding.
From what survivors have been saying the consultation was a complete sham.
She spoke to victims inside the rescue centre.
Anyone who thinks it was sensible or right for May to go out to talk to that angry crowd needs to get a grip. Her security detail would have strongly advised against that.
People can always be consulted, doesn't mean anybody has to take notice of what they said.
I cant stand the women , but she is running the country, I have to agree with this.
Does anyone know what they updated the heating system from & what they replaced it with?
I've just been reading about gas pipes being moved into the common parts, boilers located in flat doorways & stuff.
I've just been reading about gas pipes being moved into the common parts, boilers located in flat doorways & stuff.
People have mentioned exposed pipes in the public areas.
If the Tory council in Kensington keep their seats after the next set of local elections, it will really show the selfishness of the rich, and I could see a complete breakdown in the community there. Amazing that they have a Labour MP now, but the council is going to have to change too.
I work just a stone's throw away in White City and can see the burned out tower from my office window. It's grim.
I work just a stone's throw away in White City and can see the burned out tower from my office window. It's grim.
yes, I was just seeing that in The Guardian.
Tbf to Theresa May, she would be teared to shreds if she went to visit, there are lots of people baying for blood, very toxic atmosphere in the area
Then she shouldn't have gone back. I appreciate the argument, but trying to sneak in and out through the back door was always going to stoke tensions up more and make those angry people feel like they're being ignored even more.
The Theresa May interview on the BBC news channel ought to be on Pornhub. She's getting shafted.
All the work done at that place sounds like a right old cowboy job.
I hate how every question they don't like it answered with "this was a terrible tragedy" by politicians. Utter cnuts.
She went to talk to those directly affected inside the church.
Those outside who are angry will have known people inside the tower, but were less affected then those she talked to inside the support centre who have lost completely everything including their homes and other family members.
Not followed closely, but didn't Khan do a visit and he took a lot of stick? I think it's a big positive to turn up, even knowing you're walking into a barrage of abuse.
He did. Someone even tried to bottle him and was arrested.
Well more that she's trying to do the bare minimum to salvage the damage from her disastrous visit yesterday and those there are rightly not falling for it. Sadiq Khan, Jeremy Corybn, and even the Queen turned up and fronted up to it more than she did. Today's visits are rightly being seen as too little too late.
always the case, but they were (probably) given enough money to do less work but do it much better
that isn't the same as not being given enough money, if you know what I mean - decent amounts have been invested relatively speaking & the Landlords have just butchered the project
(I'm joining the dots here a little, but it seems to fit to me, as a follow-able pattern)
Believe Corbyn said 'if necessary' so more as a last resort more than anything.
Foreign investors, essentially using property as a bank is an issue though, especially in London, even more so when much of these investments appear to be from 'dirty money'.
Saw some mentioning on twitter, how you tend not to get masses of people not affected by the change complaining when poorer residents are essentially forced to sell their homes and move out for road, rail or airline purposes.
Foreign investors, essentially using property as a bank is an issue though, especially in London, even more so when much of these investments appear to be from 'dirty money'.
Saw some mentioning on twitter, how you tend not to get masses of people not affected by the change complaining when poorer residents are essentially forced to sell their homes and move out for road, rail or airline purposes.
'Running'
It's a stupid idea but one fit for the stupid, cruel and broken society we have constructed.
How can you have people on the street or in death traps at the same time as having suitable empty buildings reserved as investment opportunities for the rich and powerful -many who don't even live within a thousand miles of the place and tell people to simmer down.
How can you have people on the street or in death traps at the same time as having suitable empty buildings reserved as investment opportunities for the rich and powerful -many who don't even live within a thousand miles of the place and tell people to simmer down.
Sadly looks like outsiders are there to cause trouble
Activist Tina Buckley was there as well outside the town hall to rile people up
Activist Tina Buckley was there as well outside the town hall to rile people up
Well its not just verbal abuse, people could attack her with the amount of anger going on at the moment. If that happened, you get the argument turning into how could the PM be allowed to walk through a hostile crowd, especially with the security issues and all the terrorism stuff at the moment.
I would not be surprised if some clashes with the police happens over the weekend
From rent-a-gob torent-a-mob.
Allegedly, there were SWP members at the town hall earlier, and people in Jeremy Corbyn t-shirts. It was the socialist worker types who were accused of being most aggressive though (LBC).
The London protesters have stopped outside the BBC for some reason.
Allegedly, there were SWP members at the town hall earlier, and people in Jeremy Corbyn t-shirts. It was the socialist worker types who were accused of being most aggressive though (LBC).
The London protesters have stopped outside the BBC for some reason.
Poster above said Khan had stuff thrown at him. The Queen visited victims. Sure she didn't go through crowds of people, but the PM visiting victims as a first point of call is not too much to ask.
May didn't even visit the victims in an extremely protected environment. Only went to do so after the backlash she received, where people were more angry than they would have been if she made the decision to visit them yesterday.
Nor sure why but on the live streams, the people speaking there complaining about channel 4, itv and bbc.
I've seen various people complain like the media are to blame for this tragedy. In different footage, one guy even calling for a revolution.
I've seen various people complain like the media are to blame for this tragedy. In different footage, one guy even calling for a revolution.
She went to the hospital to visit people directly injured, when the hospital allowed visitors. There are people in the street shouting "Theresa May is a murder", its descending into mob mentality. This is not Bush and Katrina. People need to revisit that to see what neglect is
7 years of austerity, something she championed. The immigrant and ethnic minority communities have been tortured by her visa policies
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