Graham Potter | turns down Ajax job

Potter played nice football at Brighton and they punched above their weight, except when it actually came to scoring goals. And he's relatively inexperienced as a manager. He's made a massive jump up to Chelsea like Ole did with United. He just doesn't strike me as the authoritative type to really command player ego and not be afraid of backlash. That's the one immediate thing that Tuchel did...stuck with what worked with 3 at the back from when Conte was manager, demanded they work on their shape and were difficult to breakdown, then took the chances enough times to get results, especially in the CL. It didn't really kickoff in the league, but it kept them competitive and very solid.
 
Maybe it's impossible but it would be a lot more possible if he stopped shooting himself in the dick with idiotic decisions. Why the feck is Conor Gallagher taking corner kicks when he cannot pass to save his life? Why is Ziyech starting when he was literally begging the owner to leave two days ago?
Because he's still paid by the club to perform when needed?
 
What you wrote has nothing to do with what I said.

What he done in Sweden is totally irrelevant in respect of managing one of the biggest sides in the world. Just like Ole with his Molde history. Kudos to you for following the Graham Potter journey from Östersunds to now; that's top dedication.

Well you've pretty much said that anybody could only rate him or think that giving him time is a good idea because he's British. Why would anybody care?

And yes mate, I must have posters of him on my wall because I've heard of one of the biggest underdog stories in recent football history. :lol:
 
It's not an impossible job though. How can it be an impossible job? You've been given some fantastic players. That's precisely the job of an elite coach. Coach players, improve players, forge a team. He has to do it quickly of course but that's also because he's made a mess of the season so far, so he's made his own bed there.

If an elite coach goes into Chelsea he whips that lot into decent shape before this season ends. No question about it. So that's what he has to do if he's a top coach. But I think the job has already got too big on him.
 
Because he's still paid by the club to perform when needed?

Are you serious? You think any player is likely to play to their full potential for a team they desperately were trying to leave and towards whom they are feeling bitterness about not getting the move?

Add onto the fact that Ziyech is famously a headcase and it's an idiotic decision to play him.
 
Again, I have no problem believing that De Cerbi will turn out the better manager over time and neither am I denying that Potter is struggling at Chelsea.
I just dislike the kind of revisionism where someone who has clearly done well is unsuccessful in his next step and then he was shite all along.

We finally agree on something Super Hans. And contrary to the reply you got, people are indeed claiming that Potter was never anything special.
 
It's not an impossible job though. How can it be an impossible job? You've been given some fantastic players. That's precisely the job of an elite coach. Coach players, improve players, forge a team. He has to do it quickly of course but that's also because he's made a mess of the season so far, so he's made his own bed there.

If an elite coach goes into Chelsea he whips that lot into decent shape before this season ends. No question about it. So that's what he has to do if he's a top coach. But I think the job has already got too big on him.

If only there were an elite coach who's absolutely proven at the top level available. Added bonus if they had a genuine connection with our fans and a track record of going above and beyond for the club. Pity there's no one like that who isn't working currently who won the Champions League with us in 2020/21.
 
Well you've pretty much said that anybody could only rate him or think that giving him time is a good idea because he's British. Why would anybody care?

And yes mate, I must have posters of him on my wall because I've heard of one of the biggest underdog stories in recent football history. :lol:

So, you've never heard any of the old neanthardal pundits giving out about 'Johnny foreigner manager'? I bet they're using every excuse possible for Potter.

Ah so you only 'heard of it' - thought so buddy :lol: :lol:
 
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He might be great tactically, but I genuinely don't think he has the personality to be a coach at a top club. He lacks both charisma and natural authority. Ancelotti does too tbf, but he has a CV that Potter doesn't.
 
The triumphant return of André Villas-Boas? He who laughs last laughs best?
 
Maybe it's impossible but it would be a lot more possible if he stopped shooting himself in the dick with idiotic decisions. Why the feck is Conor Gallagher taking corner kicks when he cannot pass to save his life? Why is Ziyech starting when he was literally begging the owner to leave two days ago?
Stuff like this feels so good to watch from the other side
 
Brian Potter knows more about football

5 goals in their last 11 games and creating next to nothing
 
So, you've never heard any of the old neanthardal pundits giving out about Johnny foreigner manager. I bet they're using every excuse possible for Potter.

Ah so you only 'heard of it' - thought so buddy :lol: :lol:

What are you actually trying to say? You have to have actually seen every game they played to find that achievement impressive?

Nevermind mate, just keep spamming laughing emojis and it might look like you have a point eventually.
 
Poor Chuck Norris all he wanted was to be loved and backed to buy the players he wanted
 
Maybe it's impossible but it would be a lot more possible if he stopped shooting himself in the dick with idiotic decisions. Why the feck is Conor Gallagher taking corner kicks when he cannot pass to save his life? Why is Ziyech starting when he was literally begging the owner to leave two days ago?

Wondered this as well. He just stands out like a sore thumb as technically a level or two below almost all of his teammates. Was like seeing Phil Jones line up for one for us. :nervous:
 
So, you've never heard any of the old neanthardal pundits giving out about Johnny foreigner manager. I bet they're using every excuse possible for Potter.

Ah so you only 'heard of it' - thought so buddy :lol: :lol:
Hi there. My name is Graham Souness. I might not be in my youngest years but I don't tolerate that, not a bit and might I add Casemiro's a very good player but he's never been world class like Jordan Henderson. I'm off now as my new top quality grassclipper is ready, unlike Paul Pogba, never forget I was right about him as well!
 
After seeing what Arteta has done and how a lot of people wanted him out prior to that I'm in favor of giving managers more time, Potter did come in at a shitty time and all, I absolutely get that. But at least with Arteta you saw an idea on the pitch plus he had a lot less to work with. I really don't understand what Potter's tactical approach is. Maybe Chelsea fans here can tell me what he's trying to do, because I don't see it.
 
Stuff like this feels so good to watch from the other side

I was tearing my fecking hair out! I think he took 3 or 4 that all failed to beat the first man? Mind-bogglingly infuriating - and either way it reflects poorly on Potter. Either he's deliberately choosing this to happen as tactic which is beyond stupid since Gallagher is the worst passer in the team by a fecking mile, or he's too spineless to stand up to a young midfielder in his first season for Chelsea.

Either way, not great!

https://youtube.com/shorts/nSZEwPRzX6s?feature=share

Almost like this fella had half a clue...
 
Hi there. My name is Graham Souness. I might not be in my youngest years but I don't tolerate that, not a bit and might I add Casemiro's a very good player but he's never been world class like Jordan Henderson. I'm off now as my new top quality grassclipper is ready, unlike Paul Pogba, never forget I was right about him as well!

It's fecking hilarious; Souness literally had a dig at De Zerbi's appointment before he even managed a game for Brighton. Meanwhile, Sky spent half the night telling us all how Potter is actually doing a good job. No biases whatsoever :wenger:
 
After seeing what Arteta has done and how a lot of people wanted him out prior to that I'm in favor of giving managers more time, Potter did come in at a shitty time and all, I absolutely get that. But at least with Arteta you saw an idea on the pitch plus he had a lot less to work with. I really don't understand what Potter's tactical approach is. Maybe Chelsea fans here can tell me what he's trying to do, because I don't see it.
Sorry that's just rewriting history. Arsenal under arteta for first 2 and a half season looked lost. People can now rewrite history and say he was doing something special but he wasn't.
 
Sorry that's just rewriting history. Arsenal under arteta for first 2 and a half season looked lost. People can now rewrite history and say he was doing something special but he wasn't.

And he still hasn't.
 
After seeing what Arteta has done and how a lot of people wanted him out prior to that I'm in favor of giving managers more time, Potter did come in at a shitty time and all, I absolutely get that. But at least with Arteta you saw an idea on the pitch plus he had a lot less to work with. I really don't understand what Potter's tactical approach is. Maybe Chelsea fans here can tell me what he's trying to do, because I don't see it.

Arteta and Edu(?) gutted the team egos (Auba, Lacazette, Pepe, and others I'm sure I'm missing) and went with technical youth players - White, Saliba, Martinelli, Saka, Odegaard, etc.. They also got their recruitment spot on for just about all of their purchases. So they were in lockstep with each other and tried something from the ground up that took 3 years without much pressure at all. And they've spent big, but not obscene money like Chelsea.
 
Not sure you can draw much positive from this. They can't create much, especially against teams who sit a bit deeper and go aggressive against them. Tonight they had 1 shot on goal until the 75th minute and Fulham looked threatening every time they moved on the counter. Chelsea managed to push them back toward the end of the game and that's about it. After the game, and if you really had to make a comment about the manager, you would have to say... that Marco Silva is doing one fine job with Fulham.

The best bit of their attacking play in the last 15 games came from a 45-minute Felix cameo.
 
Sorry that's just rewriting history. Arsenal under arteta for first 2 and a half season looked lost. People can now rewrite history and say he was doing something special but he wasn't.

They gambled on Odegaard and struck gold. Everything around that position has, fairly, evolved and clicked this season.
 
@Robbie Boy You keep saying how De Zerbi has came in and been so much better than Potter but you realise he only has 5 wins out of 13 in the league with Brighton compared to the 4 wins in 6 Potter began the season with? De Zerbi also drew two and lost three of his first 5 games with Brighton in the league. He didn't have the best start either. He's had two great wins against Chelsea and Liverpool in the league but he's also got wins against Wolves, Everton and Southampton who have all been absolute poo this season and he should be winning against. He's also at a club which has been well structured for years and is in constant transition and is absolutely used to that. Chelsea are in a whole different level of change compared to Brighton as a club.

Potter started with 13 points in 6 games. De Zerbi has 18 points in 13 games.
 
They gambled on Odegaard and struck gold. Everything around that position has, fairly, evolved and clicked this season.
I was more referring to the ither posters point about their showing on the pitch. They are doing well this season but if you asked anyone before the start of the season, what was Arteta's style of football , no one would have known or given a definite answer apart from calling them crap.
 
Are you serious? You think any player is likely to play to their full potential for a team they desperately were trying to leave and towards whom they are feeling bitterness about not getting the move?

Add onto the fact that Ziyech is famously a headcase and it's an idiotic decision to play him.
You think Potter asked him to play, Ziyech said "nah, don't fancy it gaffer" so Potter played him anyway?
 
If only there were an elite coach who's absolutely proven at the top level available. Added bonus if they had a genuine connection with our fans and a track record of going above and beyond for the club. Pity there's no one like that who isn't working currently who won the Champions League with us in 2020/21.
Tuchel isn't all he's cracked up to be. Good manager, but not truly elite.
 
@Robbie Boy You keep saying how De Zerbi has came in and been so much better than Potter but you realise he only has 5 wins out of 13 in the league with Brighton compared to the 4 wins in 6 Potter began the season with? De Zerbi also drew two and lost three of his first 5 games with Brighton in the league. He didn't have the best start either. He's had two great wins against Chelsea and Liverpool in the league but he's also got wins against Wolves, Everton and Southampton who have all been absolute poo this season and he should be winning against. He's also at a club which has been well structured for years and is in constant transition and is absolutely used to that. Chelsea are in a whole different level of change compared to Brighton as a club.

Potter started with 13 points in 6 games. De Zerbi has 18 points in 13 games.

I think they are playing better football. I don't know the stats, but they've played some good teams and looked impressive. Meanwhile, Potter looks like a lost child in Tesco.
 
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@Robbie Boy You keep saying how De Zerbi has came in and been so much better than Potter but you realise he only has 5 wins out of 13 in the league with Brighton compared to the 4 wins in 6 Potter began the season with? De Zerbi also drew two and lost three of his first 5 games with Brighton in the league. He didn't have the best start either. He's had two great wins against Chelsea and Liverpool in the league but he's also got wins against Wolves, Everton and Southampton who have all been absolute poo this season and he should be winning against. He's also at a club which has been well structured for years and is in constant transition and is absolutely used to that. Chelsea are in a whole different level of change compared to Brighton as a club.

Potter started with 13 points in 6 games. De Zerbi has 18 points in 13 games.

You are missing the most important part - they are creating more chances now in the final third and lost their 2 best players of last season.
 
You think Potter asked him to play, Ziyech said "nah, don't fancy it gaffer" so Potter played him anyway?

I think Potter was trying to prove a point after being asked about it in his press conference yesterday.

Regardless even if Ziyech's head was completely screwed on straight it was idiotic to use him from a tactical perspective. Having a front 5 with only one actual runner is ludicrous.
 
He might be great tactically, but I genuinely don't think he has the personality to be a coach at a top club. He lacks both charisma and natural authority. Ancelotti does too tbf, but he has a CV that Potter doesn't.
Anchelotti was also a top player which no doubt helps with the authority