Not really. We often see this kind of thing the season after manager leaves, only for them to crash a year or so later.
Graham Potter | turns down Ajax job
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Not really. We often see this kind of thing the season after manager leaves, only for them to crash a year or so later.
How is he "fine"? 2 wins in 12 matches?!
I nearly hit the sack during the 2nd half. Like Bastian said they probably need an Ancelotti / Zizou-type to lift the team. If both are unattainable, I strongly recommend Solskjaer.
Yeah, the Chelsea manager is pretty much a cheerleader.
I think he'd still be a very good manager for a side like Spurs/Arsenal/Liverpool who would give him time and let him build his own squad, but he's just a woeful fit in a job where you basically name an XI and try to keep egos happy.
Brighton were decent but they’re better now imo. They didn’t score goals under Potter.
By Everton standards that is above expectations tbf
But it would've been 3 wins in 12 matches if Fofana, Havertz x2 had taken their golden opportunities
They're much better now.
He’ll be sacked at some point but I’m not sure many managers would be getting instant wins at this point. You’ve got several players that have only just joined the club, a few that were close to leaving, more that are leaving in the summer.
Away to West Ham and Spurs in the next three game? Gone by the end of that run.
Away to West Ham and Spurs in the next three game? Gone by the end of that run.
Brighton were doing great under Potter, no need for revisionism. It's just that De Zerbi seems to be an upcoming top manager himself.
It's of course damning for Potter that he's doing worse with his new team including 500m worth of new players than his former club.
Nah, they've played better under De Zerbi, and were generally erratic under Potter. No need for the revisionism bud.
Not really reflecting history. They weren’t anything special under Potter.
It's too soon. De Zerbi has been fantastic, but we can't just simply discount the last years where Potter made Brighton what they are. Every time we played them, regardless of the result, they were the better footballing team. And that was often the case when I saw them against better teams than ours. That takes some doing.
Well, they're fecking Brighton. What were they before Potter?
Fine?
He's been fecking atrocious.
Yes, fine. He's still in the process of being able to play his actual chosen 11. I don't think he's even been able to yet in his Chelsea career. I think it's quite clear that he isn't in charge of every transfer that comes through the door and he's not in control of them picking up horrible injuries and suspensions either.
As @RedSky has posted, it's not like they're playing fodder each week either. He's playing top 10 sides/sides that are playing very well this season and are organised and settled sides. This Chelsea side is full of players that are still settling.
According to this forum and pundits Fulham have been great this season but also Potter is shit? Makes no sense.
Their new manager taught them how to shoot. They score multiple goals every game now but Potter never got that out of them. He has the same problem at Chelsea now.
Chelsea should be a lot better with only two new signings starting with one even coming off early.
Exactly. The revisionism is baffling. Literally last season Brighton fans were booing him due to poor results. He also had a 31% win rate...
It's only a matter of time I say. Not his fault but with the owner spending 7 trillion on the flavour of the month I think he will chop and change managers until he gets what he wants.
I'm not buying it. The work he done at Brighton is overstated and he looks utterly out of his depth.
I don't know that stats but it feels like they dominate the ball alot more now under de zerbi
Said it before: had De Zerbi taken the Chelsea job and had the same results, he would be hounded out. Potter is getting every excuse under the sun as he's the great British hope.
Again, I have no problem believing that De Cerbi will turn out the better manager over time and neither am I denying that Potter is struggling at Chelsea.
I just dislike the kind of revisionism where someone who has clearly done well is unsuccessful in his next step and then he was shite all along.
Not only he has shown till now that he is out of his depth at this level but also to make the matters worse Brighton under de zerbi look far better than they looked under him.
Nah, not really.
Have to say it was a really poor game, Chelsea looked like a team in flux and obviously are with so many new expensive recruits.
Whatever the eventual outcome, I think it would be a bit presumptuous to write off Potter so early on, but the pressure to instantly succeed must be unbearable by now, so much so that he actually looks haunted by it.
Whatever the eventual outcome, I think it would be a bit presumptuous to write off Potter so early on, but the pressure to instantly succeed must be unbearable by now, so much so that he actually looks haunted by it.
Don’t write the guy off yet. It’s not easy integrating so many new players. It’ll take a season. They’ll get worse before they get better.
You're making things up bud. No one said he was shite in his last job, but feck me, he's been shite at Chelsea. The work he done at Brighton was overstated, not shite, just not what some are making out.
He was always overrated in the sense that he’s a top coach. He’s clearly a good coach and got Brighton to a good level, fair play. Does NOT mean you’re worthy of such a big step up. He’s clueless in this environment otherwise we would have seen something by now.
Seems an impossible job at the moment. The pressure must be immense following Chelsea's insane transfer window. I also wonder if he's being encouraged to bed in all the new signings as quickly as possible, regardless of his tactical plans.
He's going to need a miracle to survive after this investment. You don't go into the market like Chelsea have without expecting a fairly dramatic return on that investment.
Potter has disappointed me in the way he's stepped up to a big club. Not so much in the results, although they're poor too. He talks like a mid table manager and that's a problem as you have to influence top players and get them to buy into your vision.
I think he's a very good manager and he DID do a terrific job at Brighton. The fact they have their heads switched on at Brighton and potentially appointed someone even better says more about the intelligence of the people down there than it is a reflection on Potter not being good. The problem is you have to have the extra ingredients to be a winner if you're at a winning club.
Potter has disappointed me in the way he's stepped up to a big club. Not so much in the results, although they're poor too. He talks like a mid table manager and that's a problem as you have to influence top players and get them to buy into your vision.
I think he's a very good manager and he DID do a terrific job at Brighton. The fact they have their heads switched on at Brighton and potentially appointed someone even better says more about the intelligence of the people down there than it is a reflection on Potter not being good. The problem is you have to have the extra ingredients to be a winner if you're at a winning club.
Zero chance he lasts that long.
No, really
Well, personally I rate him because he took a side from the 4th tier of Swedish football to the Europa League knockouts, which is the kind of thing that only happens in FM saves. Let alone anything he did with Brighton.
Couldn't give a shit where he's from, that's impressive.
"What am I supposed to do with this lot?"
It will take more than a season. The more players the more time needed. Chelsea ought to look at this as a 36 month project. Further Nkunku and Gusto to come in the summer. It's going to take time.
He's too soft and meek to coach a "franchise" like Chelsea.
Will end in disaster.
Will end in disaster.
What you wrote has nothing to do with what I said.
What he done in Sweden is totally irrelevant in respect of managing one of the biggest sides in the world. Just like Ole with his Molde history. Kudos to you for following the Graham Potter journey from Östersunds to now; that's top dedication.
Maybe it's impossible but it would be a lot more possible if he stopped shooting himself in the dick with idiotic decisions. Why the feck is Conor Gallagher taking corner kicks when he cannot pass to save his life? Why is Ziyech starting when he was literally begging the owner to leave two days ago?