Graham Potter | turns down Ajax job

If they keep buying every player possible it'll mean that all other teams globally cannot field enough to play against them, resulting in them winning every game by default.
 

It’s brilliant really. He made a news story to shield Potter and deflect attention out of nothing.

He had ALREADY “relinquished” that control. Vivell has been the driving force in player recruitment since he officially got on bard weeks ago; with the exception of trying to hit the Enzo cap.

Still, Vivell was the one to go down to Portugal for the negotiations.

This is something that already happened.

Now it’s a useful story.

One of the first clever moves in the last two weeks.
 
It’s all about perspective innit. I thought we made those changes and managed to wrestle a foothold in the game and it was a pretty even game for much of the remainder of the game. It was one of those games I thought Potter showed good instinct and in hand management, even if he was only correcting his own mistake.
We can’t play the way Potter want to right now without Zakaria on the field.

It is still the same issues. And unless Kante announces he’s perfectly healthy for next week it isnt changing until we buy someone.

Coaching matters but there are some things it just can’t fix. If I and my friends show up in City Jerseys to start their next game … City is losing. You can have Pep being aided by a Time Machine Johann Cruyff variant … it would not help.

Another midfielder, a right back and an attacker….. and serious look at everything the players are doing in terms of fitness from the first piss of the morning on to see if there’s an issue.
 
If Potter finishes 8th this season and next he'll be out the door, without doubt. Arteta didn't really show much as a manager until last season, and even then they managed to throw away top 4.

I'm still a bit surprised he managed to ride out that first 18 months, to be honest. The football was poor and so were the results. Maybe he benefited from a lack of ambition at the club post Wenger, they spent a lot of money and there wasn't anything to show for it. Most top 6 clubs don't give managers anywhere near that amount of patience in this day and age.

we don’t know how much time Potter will be given because it’s a new ‘franchise’.
 
He had ALREADY “relinquished” that control. Vivell has been the driving force in player recruitment since he officially got on bard weeks ago; with the exception of trying to hit the Enzo cap.

Do you really think that? He is just another stereotypical US manchild tycoon and truly enjoyed the first months with a shiny new toy and the new limelight, while pretending he is the smartest a*se. The EPL is a hard nut and, being however a smart a*se for sure, he is now realising he needs to step up his attitude.
 
I bloody love seeing the Chelsea fans come up with positive spin for all the crazy things Todd Boehly is doing. But then if your club is finished you would...
 
I bloody love seeing the Chelsea fans come up with positive spin for all the crazy things Todd Boehly is doing. But then if your club is finished you would...
It’s a long term plan!
come 10th January it’s short term, ridiculous loans and interest in every striker linked elsewhere.
Almost like it was nonsense all along
 
It’s a long term plan!
come 10th January it’s short term, ridiculous loans and interest in every striker linked elsewhere.
Almost like it was nonsense all along
Their plan is to see who other clubs are after and then buy those players. They couldn't get over with what Barca did to them.
 
I bloody love seeing the Chelsea fans come up with positive spin for all the crazy things Todd Boehly is doing. But then if your club is finished you would...

I can't speak for anyone else obviously, but my position has always been that I won't really judge the new ownership in the first year or two unless I see things going drastically down the wrong path, which I haven't just yet. They're obviously spending a lot of money in what looks like a reckless way and we'll see what the outcome of that is eventually. In the meantime, it's obviously par for the course that rival fans will dance on our heads while we're sitting in 10th place, and I wouldn't have it any other way. It's what football is. I enjoyed it immensely when I was pissing off my Arsenal and United friends when they were finishing 7th and 8th too
 
Their plan is to see who other clubs are after and then buy those players. They couldn't get over with what Barca did to them.

Mudryk aside, and Raphinha last summer, whose targets have we tried to hijack?
 
Wouldn't surprise me tbh. This notion that he is some innovator is total bull shit, and it's all because he's English. I imagine there's a tonne of foreign managers out there that use far better methods than Potter, at lesser clubs.

The work he done in Sweden was fantastic. But Swansea? I really don't think he done anything too great there. Brighton? Sure, he done well but was also booed by Brighton fans last season too, at one point. His overall win record in England isn't anything to write home about, and I would put Brighton's brilliant structure miles ahead, of anything Potter done there. That's being evidenced by De Zerbi's seamless transition.

Moyes, for example, has a better win % with West Ham than Potter at Brighton. I feel his football can look good at times, but lead to absolutely nothing. Just like Thomas Franck, I feel both clubs - Brentford and Brighton - are more responsible for their success, than the managers. I feel Potter is very overrated and will inevitably fail.
Honestly it's just mostly British hype imo. If his name is Guerro Portero from Spain nobody would give a feck. The one we should praise and get most of the credit is Brighton's structure
 
Mudryk aside, and Raphinha last summer, whose targets have we tried to hijack?
Kounde was long targetted for Barca before Chelsea tried to swoop (Barca still got him in the end). I remember reading Barca targetting Kounde for a long time and Chelsea came out of nowhere.
You also stole Cucurella from City within days.
 
Mudryk aside, and Raphinha last summer, whose targets have we tried to hijack?
You went back in for Kounde after failing to get Ake. You tried to sneak in back in front of Barca when they were in advanced negotiations
 
Wasn't it also reported Chelsea tried to get Richarlison ahead of Spurs?

I mean it's a Chelsea tradition isn't it? They always do it.
 
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Kounde was long targetted for Barca before Chelsea tried to swoop (Barca still got him in the end). I remember reading Barca targetting Kounde for a long time and Chelsea came out of nowhere.
You also stole Cucurella from City within days.

It's possible for multiple clubs to be interested in a player, especially really well known players like Kounde. He was a target for Chelsea for a long time too, in fact we almost signed him in 2021 but were priced out by his club. Chelsea also showed interest in Cucurella before he even got to Brighton and was available for 15m. I don't think those are good examples.

Wasn't it also reported Chelsea tried to get Richarlison ahead of Spurs?

I mean it's a Chelsea tradition isn't it? They always do it.

Neither is this to be honest. A phone call enquiry is not really worth discussing as a hijack :lol:
 
It's possible for multiple clubs to be interested in a player, especially really well known players like Kounde. He was a target for Chelsea for a long time too, in fact we almost signed him in 2021 but were priced out by his club. Chelsea also showed interest in Cucurella before he even got to Brighton and was available for 15m. I don't think those are good examples.
Every club keeps tabs on the top players. I think its more than evident in both Kounde and Cucurella's cases that they were looking all set for Barca/City and Chelsea made last ditch hijacks to bring them to the club.
 
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/jesus-chelsea-transfer-hijack-arsenal-27500960.amp

Jesus as well.
You really do forget what a shit show Chelseas transfers have become

The interest was always there, the article you linked even mentions the interest throughout the summer. This whole thing was about Chelsea watching who other club's target before deciding they're interested in them too. These are well known players with multiple clubs always interested in them.
 
Every club keeps tabs on the top players. I think its more than evident in both Kounde and Cucurella's cases that they were looking all set for Barca/City and Chelsea made last ditch hijacks to bring them to the club.

I don't know what point that proves though. If Chelsea had held a long standing interest and almost signed both of those players in a previous window, then how can it be 'all Chelsea are doing is watching who other clubs target'?
 
With reports from Spain that Atletico and Simeone will part ways at the end of the season, I think I can guess who will be the next Chelsea manager to be sacked after Potter.
 
Are Chelsea even adhering to a philosophy with Potter? It seems that they'll just sign anyone and hope he can make a square peg fit in a round hole.

Even if they aren't building towards Potter's philosophy, what are they building?
 
With reports from Spain that Atletico and Simeone will part ways at the end of the season, I think I can guess who will be the next Chelsea manager to be sacked after Potter.

He's the opposite of the kind of coach Chelsea need. Poch would likely fit this club more than Simeone.
 
Are Chelsea even adhering to a philosophy with Potter? It seems that they'll just sign anyone and hope he can make a square peg fit in a round hole.

Even if they aren't building towards Potter's philosophy, what are they building?
Boehly's Chocolate Chowk Factory
 
I don't know what point that proves though. If Chelsea had held a long standing interest and almost signed both of those players in a previous window, then how can it be 'all Chelsea are doing is watching who other clubs target'?
We'd have to really dig up the reports in the past to see how strong the "long standing" interest was to be honest. I recall Kounde being primed for Barca and City being most advanced for Cucurella.

Put it this way, do you think its a coincidence that in Cucurella/Raphina/Kounde/Mudryk's cases, Chelsea would suddenly accelerate if other big clubs werent looking to tie them down. It just stinks of "oh they're getting him so now I want him more".

We made a similar mistake with VdB and Sanchez to be fair.
 
Are Chelsea even adhering to a philosophy with Potter? It seems that they'll just sign anyone and hope he can make a square peg fit in a round hole.

Even if they aren't building towards Potter's philosophy, what are they building?

And this is the crux of it.

Chelsea fans will give Boehly a pass but he’s nearly been at the club a year and still no one really knows what they are doing.

When you compare them to Newcastle it’s night and day.
 
We'd have to really dig up the reports in the past to see how strong the "long standing" interest was to be honest. I recall Kounde being primed for Barca and City being most advanced for Cucurella.

Put it this way, do you think its a coincidence that in Cucurella/Raphina/Kounde/Mudryk's cases, Chelsea would suddenly accelerate if other big clubs werent looking to tie them down. It just stinks of "oh they're getting him so now I want him more".

We made a similar mistake with VdB and Sanchez to be fair.

Yeah in the summer of 2022 Cucurella was close to signing for City, and I can even grant you that was a hijack because we most likely moved away from trying to sign him until late summer 2022 but Kounde was almost a Chelsea player in 2021 and then there were endless stories about Kounde being the first signing through the door soon as the ownership situation was resolved.
 
The interest was always there, the article you linked even mentions the interest throughout the summer. This whole thing was about Chelsea watching who other club's target before deciding they're interested in them too. These are well known players with multiple clubs always interested in them.
It’s a hijack . A hijack is trying to get in front of a near done deal.
Richarlison is a prime example.
 
And this is the crux of it.

Chelsea fans will give Boehly a pass but he’s nearly been at the club a year and still no one really knows what they are doing.

When you compare them to Newcastle it’s night and day.

Newcastle is a different situation though? They had a long time to have people lined up in important positions and were almost ready to go when the takeover was complete.
 
Newcastle is a different situation though? They had a long time to have people lined up in important positions and were almost ready to go when the takeover was complete.

Oh sure but surely Clearlake bought the club with a clear plan? (They did in terms of money spend). @Bluelion7 has explained how expert these people are so I just don’t see what everything has been slow, reactive and clumsy.
 
Oh sure but surely Clearlake bought the club with a clear plan? (They did in terms of money spend). @Bluelion7 has explained how expert these people are so I just don’t see what everything has been slow, reactive and clumsy.

It was a rushed takeover. I can’t speak for what BlueLion says. I’m just saying Newcastle had a really long time to get their structure in order whereas Chelsea are basically trying to do it in real time while a transfer window was ongoing and we lost crucial players who needed immediate replacements.
 
It was a rushed takeover. I can’t speak for what BlueLion says. I’m just saying Newcastle had a really long time to get their structure in order whereas Chelsea are basically trying to do it in real time while a transfer window was ongoing and we lost crucial players who needed immediate replacements.

I just don’t see why you still don’t have a DoF and others in post nearly a year on.

Not a very well oiled machine and seemingly an owner who is putting a plan together on the go. Hence bringing in Potter then his Brighton staff.

Very reactive.
 
He's had half an excellent season and he's been improving them each year. 8th > 5th > ?

It's highly unlikely they don't get top 4 this year or at least 2nd.


Mad the 5th place is seen as a improvement.


OLE got 3rd and 2nd and still got hammered.



They've improved this year again no doubt, but if they don't win anything, they just back to top 4 trophy which is grim to be honest. Hated it even with us like it's a achievement.
 
It’s brilliant really. He made a news story to shield Potter and deflect attention out of nothing.

He had ALREADY “relinquished” that control. Vivell has been the driving force in player recruitment since he officially got on bard weeks ago; with the exception of trying to hit the Enzo cap.

Still, Vivell was the one to go down to Portugal for the negotiations.

This is something that already happened.

Now it’s a useful story.

One of the first clever moves in the last two weeks.


You are bringing Geopolitical thinking and theory to a cut and dry shit show that's not that deep :lol:
 
It is though? Unless you're living in a fantasy world where 5th is worse than 8th.


Not in the grand scheme of what it entails.


They also flapped the champions League finish. It certainly wouldn't be bigged up at any other club, except arsenal is what I'm trying to say here.

On paper I guess it's improvement, but it's 5th, it's no where.
 
It was a rushed takeover. I can’t speak for what BlueLion says. I’m just saying Newcastle had a really long time to get their structure in order whereas Chelsea are basically trying to do it in real time while a transfer window was ongoing and we lost crucial players who needed immediate replacements.
Pretty sure Newcastle's first transfer window they leaned on Howe as they didn't have a DoF in place. They even had one of the old hierarchy stay on a bit to help them through it.
 
Not in the grand scheme of what it entails.


They also flapped the champions League finish. It certainly wouldn't be bigged up at any other club, except arsenal is what I'm trying to say here.

On paper I guess it's improvement, but it's 5th, it's no where.

It's not being bigged up, it's just a showcase that Arteta has improved Arsenal from where they were to now. Not every year has to have a trophy to indicate improvement of a club. Not every year has to contain a title to constitute improvement. Arteta started poorly, but has now shown that he's improved Arsenal from where they were to now and it took time. Perhaps Potter will, perhaps he won't but Chelsea can look at Arsenal as a project and see that despite a rough start it can get better.