Let's hope Potter will get his present by Sir Jim, then!
Graham Potter | turns down Ajax job
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Let's hope Potter will get his present by Sir Jim, then!
Sky Sports again using United to gain veiwers and put unneccessary pressure on the United Job.
Didnt see this for Arteta did we?
Didnt see this for Arteta did we?
Look at those vultures, they must sense something.
That's fair. The concern that he took Brighton as far as he could, and whether or not he can take a top club to the next step, is totally fair. He is far from a guarantee, but I'm just not freaking out like some because he is certainly not a Moyes. The guy was thrown into the Chelsea situation with no preseason, no transfer window.
What a great way to piss off an entire fanbase
The tragic thing which makes me think it might be true:
English manager - check
zero bargaining power so will be cheap - check
Happy to only be head coach - check
Weak/non difficult personality - check
English manager - check
zero bargaining power so will be cheap - check
Happy to only be head coach - check
Weak/non difficult personality - check
I dont think he would be any good, but i agree with the poster that we have turned into a graveyard for managers and players alike. Joining us is like a career ender.
I wouldn't panic if we appointed him, I just think it would be a complete waste of time in the long run because he's not good enough.
He might steady the ship and have some limited success, but I think it would become obvious quite quickly that we'd need an upgrade. He doesn't have what it takes to compete with the likes of Pep and Klopp. He probably doesn't have what it takes to compete with Emery, or even Howe. RDZ has quite quickly shown himself to be a far more inventive coach than Potter ever did at Brighton. Now, I know you can argue the exact same thing about the current manager at the moment, but that wasn't the case when we appointed him.
If your aim is to just replace EtH with someone who will consistently get us into the Europa League and never live up to what we expect from the club, then you may as well re-hire Moyes.
It's an easy link to make given that he's English, available and was considered for the Nice job. Brailsford was the one who was pushing for him there so I guess this could depend on how much influence he would have here.
I don't he would take the job even if he was offered it. The Chelsea debacle has surely destroyed his confidence in taking on an elite club job?
Let’s be honest we could have any manager in the world, this is Manchester United
This seems to be the case so far thankfully, although it’s the kind of thing that can grow legs and momentum on its own.
There's no way an absolute nobody like Potter would even think about turning United down. He's not Zidane.
Gotta be bullshit obviously but if it did come to fruition then I hope all those who were twerking for Jimbo and his magic beans are happy with what would be a disastrous start to his tenure as a MINORITY investor, the Glazers must be laughing their tits off
These kind of jobs may never come up again. He may well have learned a lot from his time at Chelsea and would love an opportunity to have another go at a top club and do things differently. It's a bigger gamble for the club than for Potter.
Still think he's a good manager, took the Chelsea job way too early and still think he lacks the charisma/personality for a top job but that Chelsea squad is arse, most managers would struggle there as we've seen with Poch now.
Seeing so many being against him here makes me think he will do just fine. The caf is usually wrong.
Forget Potter.
Even at Brighton, he wasn’t overly impressive, scraping away from relegation 2/3 seasons and never scoring any goals.
His stint at Chelsea and his lack of charisma are more than enough evidence that it would be a disaster here.
Standards have dropped, but it’s still a massive club. The fact he did just ok at Brighton, “the best run club in the country” is actually a mark against him! He certainly won’t have that comfort here and when he did have it, he was average at best.
It would be an absolute disaster of an appointment.
Would it be cruel to get on our knees and beg Fergie to come out of retirement? He still got 40 years left in him at least
Weird his reputation has been hit so hard by his time at Chelsea. He came into a sinking skip, he did do a bad job but so have the next 2 managers, and Poch has arguably done a worse job because he has a better squad and a pre-season. Yet Poch's reputation will still be intact because he beat Ajax 20 years ago and lost a CL final and won the league with a team way better than the rest in the league.
Potter is a good manager, not a top-level manager, but a good manager to say the least.
You realise our squad is arse too, right?
Because Ratcliffe sounds like Radcliffe who played Harry Potter
This is not true at all. He took them over after they had just stayed up on 36 points. In his final full season they ended on 51 points and the start of the season he left was on track to be even better.
Finally uniting the world class Mount-Potter pairing.
They Are Scared.
They Are Scared.
Modern football is about more than just the manager. It’s the whole football structure at a modern club that performs the roles fulfilled by Ferguson alone - the idea being that each specialises and focuses on their individual key area.
United (including the fans) need to break away from the idea of one man having ultimate control and reform/implement a modern football structure.
Until we do we will never achieve continuity let alone any success.
I seem to remember 85% of the caf wanting Ten Hag. I did'nt - I wanted Conte just for the spectacle of him going ballistic on the touchline and ripping the lazy players we have to pieces.......
He's been BlueCo's best manager so far... If that is an endorsement, also still on the payroll I think.
Sarcasm?
no, this is Mancherster United
Maybe their thinking is to just get in a manager that can coach the players, whilst leaving the buying of the players to someone else like the director of football.
Agree with all of that. Having the right structure does not guarantee success today, but if Sir Jim put in place a modern football structure, I would be happy to wait to get that up and running before making any managerial change. In fact, I think making a change before that is set up properly is deeply problematic.
We cannot attract any top manager, that's why we have not so far, only on past it managers or unproven managers at a top level. We cannot compete for top managers, they have little reason to want to come.
The only reason a top manager wouldn’t want to come here is because the footballing structure is so obviously flawed, and they are ultimately set up for failure. If we can correct that by making the right appointments and decisions throughout the football operation, our prospects of attracting top tier coaches, improves dramatically.
I suppose some people believe he's a better manager than Moyes + that Chelsea was an incredibly toxic environment that many managers would fail in so can be overlooked. The problem with the latter though is you could label the exact same thing at United.
Ok, but that is not reality. We have a crap squad, we make crap buys, we screw ourselves with wages that are too high, and have proven over and over as a club we know little about football.
We are far behind, old fashion, and no top manager would want this. We need to improve the club before we attract people because all we have to offer is money.
Funny thing about this was that Potter was well known for creating a Brighton side that could play well but not score.
Well, 1 out of 2 isn't bad, but it also isn't great.
Well, 1 out of 2 isn't bad, but it also isn't great.
I don’t think we’ll ever see the kind of setup most crave for here, the hierarchy is just so convoluted and there’s too much riding on every result to give us the breathing space needed to change everything.
Look at Newcastle, finished bottom of their group and currently below us in the league, but the press are desperately trying to sack our manager (who is dealing with much bigger problems), and citing Eddie Howe as a saviour.. they’re allowed to change their entire setup whenever they like with pretty much zero pressure, they could change the director of football ten times and nobody would blink…but the constant hounding by the press we get means we aren’t allowed to change anything if it doesn’t fundamentally guarantee success, so we just carry on with the status quo and hope the players will up their game against Bournemouth or whatever… the reality is. The team are a Frankenstein bunch made up of four different managers ideas, and if we’re being honest, they were mostly their second or third choice options at that.. it needs starting from scratch, but I don’t think we’ll ever get it.
we’re a mid-table club now, with mid-table quality players…sometimes capable of going on a decent run if they’re up for it, that’s just the reality of the situation
Look at Newcastle, finished bottom of their group and currently below us in the league, but the press are desperately trying to sack our manager (who is dealing with much bigger problems), and citing Eddie Howe as a saviour.. they’re allowed to change their entire setup whenever they like with pretty much zero pressure, they could change the director of football ten times and nobody would blink…but the constant hounding by the press we get means we aren’t allowed to change anything if it doesn’t fundamentally guarantee success, so we just carry on with the status quo and hope the players will up their game against Bournemouth or whatever… the reality is. The team are a Frankenstein bunch made up of four different managers ideas, and if we’re being honest, they were mostly their second or third choice options at that.. it needs starting from scratch, but I don’t think we’ll ever get it.
we’re a mid-table club now, with mid-table quality players…sometimes capable of going on a decent run if they’re up for it, that’s just the reality of the situation
It’s a bizarre position to be honest. The people below you don’t perform? Can’t get rid of them. People above you don’t perform? Their job is never questioned. You don’t perform? Out on your arse sharpish
