I don’t think so. They have a decent squad of quality players, even if most of them are injured. They have an owner who cares about the football even if he is hashing things horribly, and they have a commitment to invest in the clubs infrastructure and long term future that we currently don’t have.
Graham Potter | turns down Ajax job
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A highly-scrutinized Premier League failure who will bring immense pressure from the get-go. Hard pass.
The United dressing room has done for the likes of Mourinho. A bloke who's won the treble. You think they're going to look at Potter and think: 'Wow, yeah. Let's get on board with him!' Do Casemiro and Varane even know who Potter is?
Ten Hag isn't turning out exactly as I'd hoped, and I'm baffled by some of his decisions lately -- especially with regards to McTominay. However, to go from Ten Hag to Potter would be crazy.
Even if every player in the squad did give Potter a chance, we don't have the ball playing defenders or wing backs needed for his system, and the second things go wrong all belief would fly out the window. It'll be David Moyes all over again.
If we sack Ten Hag, United need to find a big name coach. Someone who can command the respect of the current squad, while the new Director of Football reshapes it to fit a long term plan.
I think throwing Potter into this dressing room would be like throwing a pork chop into a Piranha pool.
Ten Hag isn't turning out exactly as I'd hoped, and I'm baffled by some of his decisions lately -- especially with regards to McTominay. However, to go from Ten Hag to Potter would be crazy.
Even if every player in the squad did give Potter a chance, we don't have the ball playing defenders or wing backs needed for his system, and the second things go wrong all belief would fly out the window. It'll be David Moyes all over again.
If we sack Ten Hag, United need to find a big name coach. Someone who can command the respect of the current squad, while the new Director of Football reshapes it to fit a long term plan.
I think throwing Potter into this dressing room would be like throwing a pork chop into a Piranha pool.
We will have it with INEOS, they are pledging 2bln on top of the buyout price.
But they are absolutely worse off than us, the last time we played them was testament to that and league position.
Our first English manager since big Ron
I'd get rid of the "we don't who he is" types, especially ones who are the wrong side of 30 and injury prone
I think Potter seems a nice guy. Really don't think he would succeed here with the spotlight on him. Would be a disaster IMO.
Seriously, rather we stick with ETH for now until better candidates become available.
Not much worse than us. If ETH can’t get a tune out of this squad then what makes you think Potter can? He’ll just be another Ole. Might put smiles on people’s faces but he’ll be a soft touch and they’ll have no respect for him.
Last season they were comfortably worse. Some of their signings may come good in time but they're still unbalanced now.
1. We haven't chosen him yet
2. We don't know if the reports are true
3. It may not be the best choice, but why would it be a stupid choice?
Spot on. Almost everyone, especially fans from other teams, "hated" Sir Alex, but we loved him.
Lampard vs Potter in a Powerpoint presentation for the ages!!
I like him.
If Ratcliffe manages to establish a sensible structure for Potter to operate in, I think we could take big steps forward.
Will of course fail miserably in the current setup.
If Ratcliffe manages to establish a sensible structure for Potter to operate in, I think we could take big steps forward.
Will of course fail miserably in the current setup.
I am sure that's the plan but it seems to be the plan every summer. If they don't want to go to the clubs that might want them, then what..?
Ratcliffe / Potter
could it be magic?
could it be magic?
Getting the fundamentals in place of possession based game, a means to an end.
ETH could've done this if instructed and helped by a better structure to help him get De Jong alternatives and not rely on his limited knowledge of the player market.
Still do not rate him as an elite manager and I would be happy to be proved wrong. Would rather go with de zerbi as he has an even more definitive style of play
We sacked him and 6 months later we’re still struggling in midtable despite supposedly fixing the thing everyone said was holding the team back last season (too many players, bloated squad, too much deadwood, no preseason). If anything, Chelsea’s continued struggles should vindicate Potter a little.
Give them the Jadon Sancho treatment if they're going to down tools
I agree with this. I saw a lot of Potter's Brighton and they played some really neat stuff at times, even dominated some big sides, especially in terms of possession. This was impressive considering the budget they worked within, but they often looked so toothless in attack, and a lot of the time it could just be very boring to watch.
Now, a lot of that could be put down a lack of talent in attacking positions, as you pointed out. There's obviously some truth to that, but I also think there's a few players who look completely reinvented under RDZ, like Solly March. This makes me think that, actually, there are just some severe limitations to Potter's approach to coaching a football team.
Also, people forget that Brighton were more often than not in, or on the fringes of, the relegation survival battle whilst he was their manager. He arguably did a great job keeping them up, considering where they came from and where they are now, but this does make me wonder whether he'll be good enough for a top club. His level is probably a mid prem team who are happy to be solid and hard to beat, with occasional flashes where they outplay a much bigger/better side for a famous victory.
The only reason I can think we would appoint him is because he's currently available and would take little convincing to take the job, should they pull the trigger on EtH.
Honest to God. No word of a lie. I'd take Carrick over Potter with the current playing squad. Simply because some of them will look at Carrick's playing career and go: 'He was a top player, he might have something to say to me.'
If you could guarantee that we will severely cull the squad and move out 8,9,10 players, I would be open to risking it on a relative novice like Potter. However, we are notoriously rubbish at selling players: We pay players so much that very few of them are seen as good options by other clubs, nor do those players necessarily wanna leave for lower pay elsewhere.
In these circumstances its hard to think anyone but a world renowned coach could achieve anything at Man Utd.
Would much rather trust someone like Potter in rebuilding the squad than ETH.
I see like a mate, I know he's never met me or knows my name but he's a friend and you don't let your friends do something that would hurt them so I'd rather he avoids us for a while and focuses on his career.
Jesus Christ almighty is this a joke? I’d rather have Neil Warnock
I think Potter's a good manager, specifically in regards to tactics. However, the fear I had was that he might struggle to gain the respect of better players. His time at Chelsea just made me think those fears were valid. I don't think he'd be guaranteed to fail but it does feel like a very risky choice.
I agree with this too.
Man Utd don't score enough goals.
Why hire a guy who's teams have been notorious for not scoring enough goals?
Underwhelming, if it's true.
Are people being actually serious with wanting Potter here? Fecking ETH who has actually won some trophies is struggling big time here, why do people think Potter will do well? It will be similar to the time when we appointed Rangnick.
He struggled under the pressure at Chelsea he will get eaten alive if he joins us. Our players who think they are big time will treat him the same way they treated Rangnick.
He struggled under the pressure at Chelsea he will get eaten alive if he joins us. Our players who think they are big time will treat him the same way they treated Rangnick.
How many world renowned coaches are available on the market?
Potter taking a swedish club from 4th division to the top was probably a bigger achievement than ETH winning the league with Ajax.
I'm guessing that the likes of Emery, Alonso and De Zerbi probably aren't available mid season. Potter probably is the best manager that's actively available, I'd certainly want him ahead of Lopetegui who seemed to be the other choice. We might not even have the money to pay out the contract of an active manager considering reports are saying we'll struggle to even terminate ETH due to the £15m fee.
That part definitely wasn't true when he first took over though. Things changed drastically in the January window when we had new players coming in the door every few days but the first few months into Potter's time at Chelsea the team was still largely the same as the previous couple seasons under Tuchel.
Potter's first game in charge included Kepa, Silva, Chilwell, James, Jorginho, Kovacic, Mount and Havertz in the starting lineup. The likes of Pulisic, Loftus-Cheek, Azpilicueta and Chalobah also saw plenty of playing time early on and they'd been with the squad a long time by then. During the first half of 22/23 the only new players who saw any significant minutes were basically just Sterling, Koulibaly and Cucurella. Fofana got injured early and Aubameyang hardly ever played.
By the January window the season already looked like a write-off so the club decided to jump-start the coming squad rebuild earlier than initially intended, which made the squad very bloated and definitely made Potter's job a bit harder in the short term but it's not like things were going even remotely well before that either.
Either way, despite his struggles with us I still think he's a very decent manager but just wasn't the right job for him. Looking back now the red flags were there from day one and it's almost like he couldn't believe his luck in landing a job as big as the Chelsea manager. Mentally he didn't seem ready for such a big task and I'm sure the players could sense it too, which may have been why they never fully bought into Potter's ideas because they just didn't respect him enough, the cnuts. So yeah, the club leadership and the players definitely made his job harder than necessary but Potter still deserves a lot of the blame for his failures with us.
That being said, I really don't see how he does any better at United than he did with us. The job over there seems just as hard, if not harder, as the Chelsea job and he's already shown crumbling under the pressure once. I think he'd be better off taking on an 'easier' project somewhere a bit smaller, like say Palace, West Ham or wherever a suitable job opens up next. A couple years getting his career back on track before trying to land another top job again could do him a lot of good. Then again there's always the possibility that failing at wherever he'd end up next would close the doors of the top clubs to him forever so he might be very tempted to accept the United job if it were offered to him.
Do you think our players think the same way and give him respect? Look at how they treated Rangnick and look at how they are reacting now when ETH tries to actually instill some discipline into them. If Potter couldn't command any respect from Chelsea's dressing room there's no way our bunch of whiners will give him any. I can only see this ending in disaster.
The next coach should have little to no say in rebuilding the squad.
How can I forget that draw at Chelsea
Is he the best option? Probably not. But I would be okay with giving him a chance. From what ive heard, he was a popular figure in the Chelsea dressing room, well liked and good man manager. What happened in the end was that, during their worst form, he wasn't ruthless enough, at least compared to their previous managers under the Roman regime.
I'm not too worried about a disaster, because if INEOS know what they're doing, they will set the club ethos and philosophy, and try to find managers that fit that philosophy. This would minimize the impact of changing managers, which is a common thing in the modern game now.
Oh shut up man! It’s entirely on par with Ole storming the Norwegian league with Molde and people are still falling over themselves to denounce that as small time and irrelevant, and cast Ole as a manger with no applicable experience.
Erik took Ajax to a CL semi, which is
Much more relevant to United, and far more impressive!