Graham Potter | turns down Ajax job

Unless you are being sarcastic, I think you should let go of this delusion of grandeur.

There’s nothing sarcastic about what I’ve said. Despite the struggles we’ve had over the past decade we are still the biggest club in the world. We are football. I’ve said this recently it’s 100% the truth.

As an actual side we are not elite, we have too many players that are not of high enough quality. But we are an elite club, we are the biggest club in the world. When people think football they think Manchester United. It’s not an opinion, it’s a fact. We belong at the very top of football and we will get back there, sooner or later.
 
You've got it upside down again.
Maybe. I was convinced Ten Hag would be the messiah. Alas, he was not. However, I'm willing to give Potter a chance. Back to basics, just coach a system into this group of players. Make us look a semblance of a football team.
 
If we sign Potter I'm done with the club and it will just highlight SJR is going to be a disaster.
 
The reality is that he failed at a club which looked very poorly run, which doesn't rule out his potential as a top manager.

Some could say the same of Ten Hag if he goes too.
 
There’s nothing sarcastic about what I’ve said. Despite the struggles we’ve had over the past decade we are still the biggest club in the world. We are football. I’ve said this recently it’s 100% the truth.

As an actual side we are not elite, we have too many players that are not of high enough quality. But we are an elite club, we are the biggest club in the world. When people think football they think Manchester United. It’s not an opinion, it’s a fact. We belong at the very top of football and we will get back there, sooner or later.

Go get Real Madrid, Bayern or City current manager then. It should be easy.
 
There’s nothing sarcastic about what I’ve said. Despite the struggles we’ve had over the past decade we are still the biggest club in the world. We are football. I’ve said this recently it’s 100% the truth.

As an actual side we are not elite, we have too many players that are not of high enough quality. But we are an elite club, we are the biggest club in the world. When people think football they think Manchester United. It’s not an opinion, it’s a fact. We belong at the very top of football and we will get back there, sooner or later.
:lol:
 

He is 100% wrong but I see where he is coming from. United like the other historically great clubs are more attractive even when they are in bad shape, now the reality of the matter is that none of them can get any manager they want not even Real Madrid who are by some distance the most attractive club in the world. Personally I would put United alongside Milan or Inter, they are very attractive but top managers won't sign for them without thinking.
 
This is the scenario I was afraid of with Ratcliffe.
The first thing Ratcliffe can do is actually put a structure in, play out the rest of the season while implementing changes.

Trying to pick out a manager without having a structure is just doing it backwards again, the DOF should be figuring out a good fit for the style of football the club wants to go down.

Its almost like anyone that comes on, thinks the club is their personal FM.
 
The reality is that he failed at a club which looked very poorly run, which doesn't rule out his potential as a top manager.

Even more reason for him to stay well away from here then. If he failed at that very poorly run club then he has no right to be linked with this one.

The potential is still there, but until he goes somewhere and shows it then his reality is his failure at Chelsea, especially as Brighton have only pushed on since he left.
 
If we sack Ten Hag to get Potter, I will be convinced we are living in a poorly written simulation.
 
There’s nothing sarcastic about what I’ve said. Despite the struggles we’ve had over the past decade we are still the biggest club in the world. We are football. I’ve said this recently it’s 100% the truth.

As an actual side we are not elite, we have too many players that are not of high enough quality. But we are an elite club, we are the biggest club in the world. When people think football they think Manchester United. It’s not an opinion, it’s a fact. We belong at the very top of football and we will get back there, sooner or later.
As I said. You have basically elaborated the delusion which you are harboring. We were the biggest in England for a long while. We were never the biggest in Europe, never mind the world. Even in the 80s, 90s , 00s. Never. The last elite player we bought and could retain during their prime was 2004. That shows something right? You tell me what. The only elite we had about ourselves was SAF. The GOAT. We are not football. Never were.
 
just to confirm, there are some people who'd gladly see ten hag sacked for the guy who had a 38% win percentage at Chelsea, and who has never won anything.

Brilliant - good to know we're at the Grass is Absurdly Greener stage of things - despite a list of names of embarrassing candidates that people have wanted in the last decade, only to later see them fail terribly elsewhere and be forgotten about.

People also want a guy who's teams are notorious for not scoring enough goals.

To take over a team, that doesn't score enough goals.
 
There’s nothing sarcastic about what I’ve said. Despite the struggles we’ve had over the past decade we are still the biggest club in the world. We are football. I’ve said this recently it’s 100% the truth.

As an actual side we are not elite, we have too many players that are not of high enough quality. But we are an elite club, we are the biggest club in the world. When people think football they think Manchester United. It’s not an opinion, it’s a fact. We belong at the very top of football and we will get back there, sooner or later.

No. They think Barca and Real. Even during the glory days under Fergie, we were never really under the radar of football stars.
 
True, but I can understand why he decided to take the Chelsea job. What manager wouldn't want a crack at the big time?
A manager that correctly sees what owners he will be dealing with. He could have turned them down politely , knowing that other clubs also would come calling, his stock was high. Career wise he is in a worse position (possibly permanently) than if he had stayed at BHA. Financially its of course different. So I can definitely understand him going to Chelsea but not everyone would jump at it.
 
Potter?! He's not even foreign. How are we going to play incredible football without a foreigner? LvG, Jose, ETH...looks like the recent years of free flowing sumptuous football are behind us now.
 
This is just pure nonsense.

There will be no managerial change anytime soon.

The first thing on the Ineos agenda will be helping ETH get some deadwood out and help to improve the squad.

I’m pretty sure that anything that they do will be very closely guarded and not the leaky ways of the current organisation.

Potter’s name is just being used to destabilise ETH currently as they know INeos cannot respond as currently they don’t own anything at Utd!
 
Even more reason for him to stay well away from here then. If he failed at that very poorly run club then he has no right to be linked with this one.

The potential is still there, but until he goes somewhere and shows it then his reality is his failure at Chelsea, especially as Brighton have only pushed on since he left.
The reports suggest he'd come under Ineos ownership, so it's not the same thing
 
This is just pure nonsense.

There will be no managerial change anytime soon.

The first thing on the Ineos agenda will be helping ETH get some deadwood out and help to improve the squad.

I’m pretty sure that anything that they do will be very closely guarded and not the leaky ways of the current organisation.

Potter’s name is just being used to destabilise ETH currently as they know INeos cannot respond as currently they don’t own anything at Utd!

I hope this is right. We need to sort out some fundamentals first, clear out Sancho and others that are not coming with the right focus. Get a DoF in who sets style of play, transfers etc. Hire a cuddly assistant manager to read bed time stories to our stars. Then let’s see if Ten Hag can get something moving, if not fire him and give the new person a proper chance.
 
This is just pure nonsense.

There will be no managerial change anytime soon.

The first thing on the Ineos agenda will be helping ETH get some deadwood out and help to improve the squad.

I’m pretty sure that anything that they do will be very closely guarded and not the leaky ways of the current organisation.

Potter’s name is just being used to destabilise ETH currently as they know INeos cannot respond as currently they don’t own anything at Utd!
Not sure what makes you so sure. Radcliffe sees the appalling waste of our spending but also ETH's results and lack of improvement on the pitch will be under great scrutiny. The current club management (Arnold and Murtough) went all in on ETH and lost. The new regime will be ruthless and I expect ETH to go sooner rather than later
 
We don't need a Manager to hold the hands of our owners and directors to clear out the deadwood. It should happen under a proper football structure.
 
This is just pure nonsense.

There will be no managerial change anytime soon.

The first thing on the Ineos agenda will be helping ETH get some deadwood out and help to improve the squad.

I’m pretty sure that anything that they do will be very closely guarded and not the leaky ways of the current organisation.

Potter’s name is just being used to destabilise ETH currently as they know INeos cannot respond as currently they don’t own anything at Utd!

Nonsense. The only thing keeping him in the job is the delay. But he won't last long after INEOS come onto the scene. And he shouldn't. Though, if Graham Potter is Ratcliffe's idea of a good replacement, then we are screwed anyway, so it doesn't really matter.
 
When Potter was doing well at Brighton I thought he would fit well at Spurs, building a side with energy and young players and allowing him time. Chelsea didn't feel like a natural move. One of the most short terminists clubs around, "win now" culture instilled at every cell, big profile players on high wages. It's like a humble artisan who works patiently in detail now working for a rich fast food company.

Even if the new people at United want to be patient and allow managers time and a better structure around them, this is not going to be very different compared to Chelsea. At clubs like ours the short term is as important as whatever you plan for the future. Your credibility is based on results so you need to win games while building something. If you do one it doesn't feel like you're doing enough, and if you do neither (like ten Hag) it's game over. It's a difficult place and the new guys have to be realistic about what they want to do and how they do it.

To lift a dominant side under the constant pressures of this club not only the manager has to be a very good one, the culture and environement. The control of the market from the scouts and directors has to be extreme. They need to spot several players with the needed profiles for each position, not only to have alternatives if we fail at signing someone but allowing us a strong position in negotiations, making it clear we're not desperate so we stop getting fleeced everywhere.

Also closing deals quickly and so on. When we signed AWB, Maguire etc it took one month for the clowns at the club to close any deal, just to end up paying what the other club asked for. Maybe they saved 5 M or whatever but we still overpaid as we've been doing more times than not.

And last year I witnessed the biggest shit show I've ever seen at United, with a manager who doesn't even have a full picture of his new team, who has never managed in England but proudly calling the shots and leading us in the market. A club of our size and history being dominated by the phonebook of a crazy guy from the 6th or 7th best league of Europe. Wasting months chasing a player who doesn't even want to come, trying to sign the likes of Arnautovic, spending a huge fee on a player like Antony that shouldn't have been signed not even for free, etc. It has to be our lowest point ever in terms of planning and strategy, and the bar was really low before.

Start building the new house with Potter feels naive and it's not the most exciting presentation card either, but it's their work in the background what will determine our success in the long run and it has to be better than what we've seen until now. The mistakes we've been making for a decade have been so big and so obvious it should be easy for anyone to produce a remarkable improvement.

If that's the case we'll end up attracting the right manager at some point and he'll find the right platform to succeed. This has to be goal for Ratcliffe and co. middle-long term, and if the work is right behind the scenes then it's just a matter of time we get there. If they want to start with Potter so be it, after some time we'll judge their decisions.
 
There’s nothing sarcastic about what I’ve said. Despite the struggles we’ve had over the past decade we are still the biggest club in the world. We are football. I’ve said this recently it’s 100% the truth.

As an actual side we are not elite, we have too many players that are not of high enough quality. But we are an elite club, we are the biggest club in the world. When people think football they think Manchester United. It’s not an opinion, it’s a fact. We belong at the very top of football and we will get back there, sooner or later.
Jesus Christ :lol: As if a Barca and Bayern internet troll had a son.