basically like pretty much all Liverpool fans then
Graeme Sourness | Retires from “punditry”
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basically like pretty much all Liverpool fans then
He's stale.
Can't believe someone would spend their life in impotency hating on football players that are actually decent/good players.
He should retire and live happily somewhere. Instead he's trying to get higher blood pressure.
He should retire and live happily somewhere. Instead he's trying to get higher blood pressure.
Whatever this guy says is irrelevant. He just hates us and hates our players. Martinez has been one of the best defenders in the league this season by a mile… I’ll be surprised if he doesn’t make the premier league 11 at the end of the season and win player awards.
France won the World Cup, football is a team game.
It's rare to see a 5'9 centreback anywhere, it's not something that every other country has other than the UK, which by the way, Martinez is not even our first centre back to be under 6'0. We had one player in the 80s, and even Nobby Stiles played there (when it was still the old full back position).
Oh definitely. Maybe with a bit of Carrick’s tempo control thrown in.
If you read what I’ve wrote you’ll notice that I wrote that in my opinion he is wrong about Martinez because he has been brilliant for us, except game against Brentford. One of best PL signings this year. When it comes to Casimero I understand what he means.
*the only.
Keane was an absolute master of controlling the tempo of games. It was his biggest strength. Unless you mean Souness was nowhere near as good as Keane in this regard and closer to Carrick?
No not at all. He wasn't quite such a box-to-box player as Keane. Carrick was probably a bad analogy; maybe Xabi Alonso with Keane's aggression would have been better.
I certainly don't regard Souness as a better player than Keane. And aside from an occasional tendency to talk bollocks, the latter appears to be much the pleasanter character.
It’s a different game today from 15 years ago never mind Souness era. This man chastises midfielders for not running ahead of the ball and making runs behind as if that isn’t the single, most stupid thing to do in the modern game.
He was left behind 4 eras of football ago. He has no idea what he’s talking about and his type wouldnt be considered top players in the modern era. Different profile, different attributes needed today and Souness hasn’t got the eye for it
He's wrong about everything concerning us. His opinion on things related to Utd is worthless, and him having been a good player decades ago doesn't change that.
And Pogba was their best player.
I hate uttering words like this, but it's so appropriate in this case, How in 2022 does such an obvious xenophobe have such a prominent role on such a major network?
Maguire over Martinez, what an absolute clown.
Maguire over Martinez, what an absolute clown.
How is he xenophobic? People keep accusing him of this, yet there is no evidence. There's more evidence of Souness being the opposite, like when he threatened opposition players in his playing days being racist to his teammates.
He's a scouser attacking United players, it's that simple.
. He's not a Scouser.
We call all former Liverpool players regardless of origin, scousers.
Most United fans say it, actually. It's short hand.
No they don't. Scouser is someone born in Liverpool. Paul Ince is a Scouser. Doesn't that sound right to you?
Ay, ay, calm down now, calm down...
Anyone who has played for Liverpool is a Scouse Bastard, not necessarily a Scouser.
Now I can agree with that.
Oh I don’t disagree.
His view of football when he started managing Liverpool in 1991, two years before Keane even started playing for us, was completely cockeyed. Which was why he took an axe to them and wrecked them for years to come
He chose Maguire over Martinez for his team of the week, last I checked, Maguire was a United player. And I am sorry, if you watched that game, and claim Maguire played better than Martinez there is no other explaination... or he didn't watch the game, just randomly picked Maguire, but that still suggests a preference of English over non English.
I literally never use words like xenophobic or racist, I think they are used wrong 99% of the time, I just can't see any other explanation, because it's not opinion, it's an objective fact Martinez played better than Maguire in that game.
He does seem to have a tendency to favour British managers and sometimes players, and voted for Brexit (for what it’s worth).
It's your trademark English bias. Every English pundit is like that. They hype English players, praise them like they're the second coming of jesus but when they're absolute shit they completely ignore any sort of criticism towards them. Wish they'd go as hard on them as they go with the praise when they play well.
Because the team allowed him to be.
And because he allowed himself to be?
What does that mean???
I'm just trying to re-address the balance. Reading this forum you'd think the guy was a Jonjo Shelvey level player and Zouma'd his cat!
The guy was a skilful player but he needed really good players around him in midfield to do his defending for him otherwise he was not really effective.
His attitude at Utd stunk the place out at times and that is why he is not remembered well at Utd.
All as simple as that....in my eyes anyway.
Yeah, he was at the club during a pretty poor time. In another life, under a proper coach, who knows what could have been. It's all ifs and buts. I think he could have been seen very differently, though he isn't blameless at all.
Proper coach?
He worked under few very good managers and showed 1/10 games some kind of talent. Rest of the time, he was Shelvey level.
He is not wrong about everything concerning us. You might not like his opinion. But he got good points. Not always. But often.
He is actually positive towards our club and often talk how great, big and all that we are. So I don't see him as anti ManUtd pundit.
Not at United he didn't.
It's not that he's a xenophobe, it's that he's scared Martinez might actually be quite good and, because he's incredibly stupid, thinks that if he tells everyone Martinez is rubbish it might actually become true. Its how he's always worked.
It's not so bad now he's on talksport and you can just treat him the same as the other joke pundits they have on there who are just put there to say stupid things rather than act as pundits. When he's on Sky trying to belittle a football game into criticising Pogba for wearing the wrong type of coat, while everyone else on the show is deliberately winding him up because even they're sick of his pouty ranting garbage, its fecking tedious.
He only ever says we're a big club, a great club, historic blah blah blah when he's about to stick the boot in to one of our players or the manager. I don't know what cool aid you've been drinking but he's never impartial about United.
I agree but Souness often comes up with that crap line of "Put your medals on the table". Even by his own metric, Pogba is a success.
I meant more his personality. Great player with a tough attitude who retired and forgot about his skill and now thinks the game is just a battle of hard men. Both are skeptical of anything new and seem to dislike younger generations. Both struggled as managers. Both produce good soundbites but aren't very insightful.
He is talking shit but damn, i just can't say a bad word against him. Unlike many pundits who were choosing words back then, he was the one who completely trashed Zouma and West Ham after sick cnut kicked his cat.