Remember, he did sign Ali Dia, so it's safe to say he knows feck all about transfers
Graeme Sourness | Retires from “punditry”
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I did remember it, it kinda explains everything.Remember, he did sign Ali Dia, so it's safe to say he knows feck all about transfers
The zenith was reached when BT broadcast their first ever game with three pundits in the studio - every one of them an ex-Liverpool player. Wasn’t even a Liverpool game IIRC
As others have said, even by his abysmal standards those are amazing comments from Souness given the VVD situation
Wow he must really think that Sanchez would be a great signing for us if hes this pissed...
Graeme Souness!
Graeme Souness!Sour grapes should henceforth be renamed as Sour Graemes in this guys honor
Seriously, what's up with these bitter scouse fecks?
Isn't he just saying the exact same there as nearly everyone on here is saying about Pogba?
He definitely isn't wrong about the first part
He definitely isn't wrong about the first part
In fact I just read the while thing and I think it's about the most sense he's ever had to say about us. He's summed up all of our midfielders pretty much perfectly...If anything overating what Carrick is still capable of.
Honestly I don't mind Souness. Disagree with what he says much of the time but he's tolerable vs Jamie "I fink they need to kick it in the goal Martin" Redknapp's level of punditry and analysis who's there simply because he's pretty.
He's also very happy to put the boot into Liverpool too.
He's also very happy to put the boot into Liverpool too.
Souness will be forever remembered on Merseyside as the man who ruined Liverpool's glory days. He started the rot over there, which Ferguson compounded by sweeping up title after title. I find it hilarious how galling it must be for him to accept that. I suggest you all do, too. Don't pay heed to anything he has got to say on Manchester United, or probably football in general.
Souness is way too fixated on Pogbas price tag.. I wonder will he hold Van Dijk, worlds most expensive CB to the same standards?
He might have an agenda with Pogba but the article is pretty accurate or close to what many of us discuss.
There are some reasonable bits but him waffling on about Pogba's physique and athleticism (labelling his technique as just good
) and saying he doesn't score enough goals and then saying United need a craftsman in midfield when Pogba has a significant amount of assists suggests Souness is also wilfully ignoring certain evidence. He even said so himself that Pogba's best game was the tip of a midfield 3 but then chooses to ignore that to be the answer to United's playmaker because Pogba doesn't fit the stereotype inside his head of what a playmaker is.The bloke who wrote that for him is quite right about the main crux of the article, to be fair.
The Eriksen/creativity comment isn't right, mind. Pogba has created plenty.
The Eriksen/creativity comment isn't right, mind. Pogba has created plenty.
Why the hell is he even writing about Pogba?
He is obsessed with Pogba.
If it was just one piece I wouldn't have any problem with it but this bloke has history of slating Pogba. Clear agenda. Just from the first two pages of google:
"Paul Pogba should stop seeing himself as a central midfielder like Andrea Pirlo because he too often looks lost in the role, says Graeme Souness"
"Former Liverpool captain Graeme Souness believes it is a bonus for Manchester United that Paul Pogba will be suspended for the derby against Manchester City."
"I want to see Paul Pogba do what Fellaini does."
"Describing Pogba as 'a bit of a YouTuber', Souness claimed the four-time Serie A winner with Juventus has not won much in the game."
"Graeme Souness questions whether Paul Pogba has the positional sense to become a top-class central midfielder, claiming the Manchester United player 'lacks a basic understanding'."
"'Jose Mourinho cannot rely on schoolboy Paul Pogba' says Greame Souness"
"Graeme Souness wasn't impressed with Paul Pogba's performance in the Europa League final.
Pogba scored the opening goal of the night against Ajax and won plaudits for his performance in the game, but Souness remains unconvinced by the Manchester United midfielder."
There are some reasonable bits but him waffling on about Pogba's physique and athleticism (labelling his technique as just good
Pogba isn't a playmaker though, and for the reasons he has said. You can't play him as a deep playmaker because he will disappear from the middle of the pitch and you can't play him in a no10 type role because he doesn't have the intelligence or agileness to make it work. He's exactly right in that whole articke aside from straying off a few times. He hasn't criticised Pogba's ability at all, just his lack of responsibility to the team.
Until Pogba starts proving him wrong though, he isn't.
He is a bit obsessed with him as he is with our midfielders in general. Usually on sky he "doesn't understand" what any of our midfielders do.
Which is why it's so weird to see an article where he's basically nailed exactly what all of them do.
I disagree that Pogba lacks the intelligence or agileness to play @ 10. I think there are few players in the league who can spot and execute creative passes like him and on his day he can match De Bruyne and Eriksen he might lose the ball a bit more often mind. A lot of the analysis on Pogba boils down to no one actually watching him play at Juventus, he's never been box-to-box nor a deep playmaker, he was always best in that inside left position furthest forward of the midfield base. He's playing a position the manager is asking him to play when really the manager should recognise that his attributes aren't best suited for the role he's asking him to execute.
Until Pogba gets the basics right he's not going anywhere
Playing in a midfield 2 is much harder than being given the freedom to roam in a midfield 3 and do as you please
Mourinho's fault as well for not getting him to do the fundementals right and playing him in a 2 which will not get the best out of him
Souness isn't being unreasonable in my opinion
Playing in a midfield 2 is much harder than being given the freedom to roam in a midfield 3 and do as you please
Mourinho's fault as well for not getting him to do the fundementals right and playing him in a 2 which will not get the best out of him
Souness isn't being unreasonable in my opinion
Yes I agree with you also.
What basics? What do people expect from him exactly?
The team has no attacking structure. We expect him to bear ALL the creative burden and then somehow watch the space behind him? Will never happen. This is all on Mou because he requires specialists. He asked the same of Ozil at Madrid then benched him because he wasn't doing his defensive work.
When the going gets tough he has to keep it simple and do the basics right, take less risks move the ball smartly take the pressure off the team by getting on the ball as much as he can
He tries too much at times when he needs to keep it simple and relieve the pressure for his team
As I said in a 2 man midfield he can not afford the luxury to take risks in the attacking half, when he's in a 2 man midfield he plays deeper and closer to his defence, giving the ball away there is much more of a risk than giving it away closer to the opposition goal
He looks like he has not been able to adapt his game to play in a 2 man midfield
For someone of his quality that is very worrying that he lacks the discipline to do that
Never seen a professional pundit have such a wierd hatred for one particular player.
Does he write articles criticising Liverpool players with similar frequency?
Pogba is not a controller though. We've seen what happens when he does what you ask for France and then people say he is shite. It's a no win situation. People are expecting him to be some all conquering midfielder. If he takes no risk who will? Again this is all o do with no platform for attacking. You can't control a non existent structure.
Most people seem not to understand this point. The attacking structure is disjointed and turns into a terrible counter attack in the big games. Lukaku is technically limited and his off the ball movement poor...the counter attacks often peter out because of him. The other factor crippling the attack is the inability to play out from the back. There is no ball playing CB....you can clearly see the take-no-risk instructions...when in doubt play it back to DDG and hoof it up.
As gifted as Pogba is, he alone cannot compensate for all these structural problems.
noodle, your spirit animal is Graham Souness!
Souness can be scathing about Liverpool players. He isn't an 'ABU' like some paranoid folk would likes us to believe.
Souness says it how it is. I like him as a pundit, plus he hates Jamie Redknapp so that's a bonus.
Exactly! I posted about how Dybala used to drop deep to link up with Pogba in his final season at Juve. I actually think ideally Sanchez should be our CF as he would allow Pogba to effectively run off him with quick combinations.
Quality wise our attacking players are better than City but they have structures and automatisms so they don't have to improvise as they know where each other would be.
Martial Sanchez Lingaard
Pogba Herrera
Matic
But Lukaku becomes the elephant in the room.
Souness's criticism usually comes from a feeling of disappointment. He doesn't bother wasting time tearing someone or some team apart unless he's disappointed in the fact that they are not making the most out of the themselves.
Only on this forum does he become the elephant the room
Pogba is overrated on here though. Really talented but simply miles off someone like Scholes. At times I’d even rather have Fletcher to be honest.
As much as I dislike Sourness he hasn't really said anything wrong. The talent is there but the consistency and maturity isn't.
This man has an unhealthy obsession with Pogba.
He’s not into lost causes