Glastonbury 2017

Speaking of great bands, how good would Nirvana be now if Kurt and Dave had stayed in the same band until now?

I'd have been interested to see where they went, grunge was great and I love Nirvana but I don't think that sound would have taken many more albums before it was worn out. Grunge did kind of fall off of the musical map not long after.
 
I need to see FFs live. Was the band that really got me into decent music as a young un.
 
Songs from the first album yes please, stupidly underrated.
 
Whoah. That is weird. Interesting too. Something about the American psyche giving individuals the necessary chutzpah to put themselves front and center and become a massive star, while Brit humility is required to keep bands functioning without being ripped apart by clashing egos? Yeah, I'm going with that theory. Almost certainly bollox but I like it.

There have been loads of all-time great American bands - Talking Heads, REM, Sonic Youth, Pixies, The White Stripes, Nirvana - but they either hung around too long, which led to some ropy quality control, or ended up being seen as somehow more dispensable than the older bands. But the best of those bands stacks up against the greats, for me.
 
I was going to concede the point until you mentioned Ocean Colour Scene...

There have been some decent bands (Blur, Pulp, Massive Attack) but I wouldn't put any of them in the very top bracket. Also, none of them made much impact in the US unlike great British bands of the past.

Coldplay have had 4 number 1 albums in the US, they are massive there hence Jay Z and Kanye working with Chris Martin.

Mumford & Sons were also big in the US.

Payola was rife in the US in the 90s so it was harder for UK acts to get heard and now Indie and rock are dying as commercial music forms which is why I think a decline has been seen for that type of music.
 
There have been loads of all-time great American bands - Talking Heads, REM, Sonic Youth, Pixies, The White Stripes, Nirvana - but they either hung around too long, which led to some ropy quality control, or ended up being seen as somehow more dispensable than the older bands. But the best of those bands stacks up against the greats, for me.

Hmmm... good point. @MikeUpNorth may have been a little harsh on the yanks.
 
Deftones have released some great albums in recent years too. Korn's Serenity of Suffering from last year is a really great metal album as well.

The most successful US band is actually The Eagles.
 
Hmmm... good point. @MikeUpNorth may have been a little harsh on the yanks.
I think there's a tendency to underrate the best bands of the past 40 years. And similarly, the best bands of 1963 - 1975 are viewed as being untouchable. Some of it is just down to timing, the originals did it first so are seen as being the standard. But the best music of 75 onwards has dated much better so it's slightly unfair in my eyes.
 
I think there's a tendency to underrate the best bands of the past 40 years. And similarly, the best bands of 1963 - 1975 are viewed as being untouchable. Some of it is just down to timing, the originals did it first so are seen as being the standard. But the best music of 75 onwards has dated much better so it's slightly unfair in my eyes.

I don't think you're wrong. People also have the habit of forgetting about the dross that some of them released and cherry picking the best. They might have churned out a lot of work but it wasn't all great.
 
Coldplay have had 4 number 1 albums in the US, they are massive there hence Jay Z and Kanye working with Chris Martin.

Mumford & Sons were also big in the US.

Payola was rife in the US in the 90s so it was harder for UK acts to get heard and now Indie and rock are dying as commercial music forms which is why I think a decline has been seen for that type of music.

Yes, fair enough - I just don't rate Coldplay very highly. In terms of comparing now to the golden age of the 60s and 70s, it's probably a combination of lack of novelty (as @Mockney says), fragmentation of media outlets (meaning huge divergence in listening habits), ubiquitous social media (with the resulting loss of mystique of artists) and, on a personal level, me getting older.
 
Yes, fair enough - I just don't rate Coldplay very highly. In terms of comparing now to the golden age of the 60s and 70s, it's probably a combination of lack of novelty (as @Mockney says), fragmentation of media outlets (meaning huge divergence in listening habits), ubiquitous social media (with the resulting loss of mystique of artists) and, on a personal level, me getting older.

Or and it's not a opinion that is as outlandish as it first sounds, Coldplay are just shit
 
I think there's a tendency to underrate the best bands of the past 40 years. And similarly, the best bands of 1963 - 1975 are viewed as being untouchable. Some of it is just down to timing, the originals did it first so are seen as being the standard. But the best music of 75 onwards has dated much better so it's slightly unfair in my eyes.

There's a whole bunch of lads doing the same thing about footballers in "the other forum".
 
I've never properly gotten into Foo Fighters but they're class tonight.
 
Or and it's not a opinion that is as outlandish as it first sounds, Coldplay are just shit
Meh I can't agree

They are one of my favourite ever bands. Going to see them two weeks from tonight.

But maybe its because they have a special few songs for me and my wife, so a lot of it is sentimental
 
I don't think you're wrong. People also have the habit of forgetting about the dross that some of them released and cherry picking the best. They might have churned out a lot of work but it wasn't all great.
Absolutely. All the greats did some tosh - pretty much without exception. But pointing that out becomes like toppling statues. As an example, how dated does most psychedelia sound now? It's so cliché, to the point of being cringe worthy. Yet, if you say that The Queen is Dead is better than Sgt Pepper, you're guaranteed to get trashed by a lot of people. And yet...it's true.
 
Meh I can't agree

They are one of my favourite ever bands. Going to see them two weeks from tonight.

But maybe its because they have a special few songs for me and my wife, so a lot of it is sentimental

One man's meat etc. Mind you, the one musical opinion on here I could never even begin to wrap my head round was the bloke who really liked Status Quo. What the hell?
 
One man's meat etc. Mind you, the one musical opinion on here I could never even begin to wrap my head round was the bloke who really liked Status Quo. What the hell?

Ah mr .Rossi is the guy you're looking for.
 
One man's meat etc. Mind you, the one musical opinion on here I could never even begin to wrap my head round was the bloke who really liked Status Quo. What the hell?
He probably got the idea from someone else...

(It was the same guy who copied posts from other forums on here and copied posts from the caf elsewhere)
 
There's a whole bunch of lads doing the same thing about footballers in "the other forum".
Ha, the other forum. Can't say it's name out loud though. It's like the sensible caftards 'Scottish play'. :)
 
One man's meat etc. Mind you, the one musical opinion on here I could never even begin to wrap my head round was the bloke who really liked Status Quo. What the hell?
Yep I know who that was

Preference of Music though is something I really try not to critisiee other tastes because it can be so personal.

Status quo wouldn't really be my cup of tea either though :lol:
 
One man's meat etc. Mind you, the one musical opinion on here I could never even begin to wrap my head round was the bloke who really liked Status Quo. What the hell?

My aunts first husband fecking loved the Quo.

He would listen to them almost completely exclusively, other than that he was a completely normal man from the 80s.

Had a Cortina and everything.
 
Absolutely. All the greats did some tosh - pretty much without exception. But pointing that out becomes like toppling statues. As an example, how dated does most psychedelia sound now? It's so cliché, to the point of being cringe worthy. Yet, if you say that The Queen is Dead is better than Sgt Pepper, you're guaranteed to get trashed by a lot of people. And yet...it's true.

I find the Beatles difficult to listen to as much of it definitely sounds dated. There are obviously some songs like "Let It Be" which is a timeless song and could be realesed at any point in time, but yeah a lot of it I don't think aged well, maybe that's the nature of the beast when you're experimenting like that.

I think production coming such a long way has benefitted more modern bands on that front, especially 80's onwards. Don't get me wrong on things like Sgt Peppers they did an incredible job with the tools they had, but it can never be as slick as more modern efforts.
 
Yep I know who that was

Preference of Music though is something I really try not to critisiee other tastes because it can be so personal.

Status quo wouldn't really be my cup of tea either though :lol:

Totally agree. I mean I think Edge of Glory by Lady Gaga and Wrecking Ball by Miley Cyrus are two of the best pop songs I've listened to. Most people would say I'm totally wrong. I love arguing about music.
 
Totally agree. I mean I think Edge of Glory by Lady Gaga and Wrecking Ball by Miley Cyrus are two of the best pop songs I've listened to. Most people would say I'm totally wrong. I love arguing about music.

Tune. I'm a sucker for a good pop song though. Beautiful by Xtina Aguilera (does she stil her name that way?) anyone?