Giovani Lo Celso / season long loan to Spurs
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These players all play for 4 different clubs. Davies and Rose play for one club - Spurs. So as I've said, they represent better options down the left defensive side than offered by any but last season's top 2 clubs. So much for your they're "shit" assessment.
Levy's "scrimping" has involved investing around £1 billion in our new stadium and new training centre. If that's "scrimping" then words lose all meaning.
Re. Foyth at RB: I see, Poch is mistaken, the Argentine national manager is mistaken … only you are right, with your "vomit" assessment. Sorry, but I have more confidence in their assessment than yours.
Correction: I don't have time for this right now. But in due course I'll dig out your endless stream of doom and gloom posts from last summer - a pattern you now seem bent on repeating this summer.
Same, but yeah, like you said. There is room for him.
So .. two average fullbacks is better than one good one? I'm struggling with your point. Well done us for having two not particularly great left backs at the club rather than one.
Scrimping on transfers, quite fecking obviously, since it was in relation to Pochettino having to make do with his squad options. How much Levy has spent on hotdog stands is irrelevant to that.
Good for you. Considering Argentina's right back options right now consist of nobody and nobody, I really don't think it's that much of a ringing endorsement that Foyth is getting a shot there. Pochettino might play him there (he looked very limited in the role when we used him there, nothing going forward) but only if Levy won't sign him a proper right back. There's no way he actively wants to trust a converted CB after he used him there for one game.
My endless stream of doom and gloom which consisted of me saying that we would be locked in a top 4 battle last season because of the lack of business. Which ended up in us .. being locked in a top four battle because of a lack of investment last summer. I was pretty much right, we (luckily) escaped because of an Arsenal collapse, but again were one result away from a disastrous season. Again, I was pretty close to the mark on how our league campaign would go, we were absolutely miles off the top, fell behind an in crisis Chelsea and were 1 point ahead of Arsenal who have no money and a manager experiencing his first season.
It was not a good season for us, aside from a fantastic run in the CL. Seasons should not be based on cup runs.
It was all downhill since he did that stupid interview saying he's bigger than Spurs and will soon have a move to a Manc clubidiot
They're e tight cnuts, what's everyone for a pittance and flog for a fortune. Danny Rose has been brilliant for them and served them incredible well for next to feck all.
He's probably and rightly so fecked off that's he's on about 50k a week and every club that has ever come calling is quoted some ridiculous fee by that nobhead Levy.
He isnt bad, he isnt great either - he is a good pro and a solid player - a great squad player but shouldnt be a regular starter.
For what its worth I agree that we do need an upgrade in FB's - that was clear last year - I'm delighted to see Trippier leave as he was one of the most frustratingly error prone players I've seen at the club in many a year - Rose I do like but I'm honest enough to know that he is not consistent enough and not actually really good enough if we are to get to the level we want to be at.
N'Dombele looks like a top class signing in an area we badly needed. I think Foyth has enormous potential but I also have some concerns about him playing at RB and would prefer us to bring somebody in (however I am happy to reserve judgement for a few months to see how he gets on and if Poch thinks he can do it then fair enough). Sessegnon looks likely to come in which is great but I don't see him as ready to be a first choice left-back at the moment, so if we do sell Rose then realistically you are looking at Davies being first choice which I wouldnt be happy with at all, he is solid but limited.
If Eriksen stays, thats great - though I still think that even if he does stay we require more quality in that part of the pitch within the squad - Lo Celso could be that player so I really hope we sign him whether Eriksen stays or goes. We are obviously in a bit of a restructuring stage of our squad now and with all signings and changes it can go well or it can go badly, its a bit of a lottery - fingers crossed it works out because the upside is enormous.
Alright Danny calm down lad
Can you please go to a Spurs forum and do this.
Jesus christ .. what?
Danny Rose had a good season and then got seriously injured. Whilst being sat at home injured for months on end he was receiving 60 thousand pounds a week. To do absolutely nothing. He chose this time to come out and complain in the press about his wages, and then went on for the next year and a half or so to either be injured or put in terrible performances. This season is the first time in a while he's been regularly fit and even then he's been far from brilliant, simply competent. 3 assists is nothing special whatsoever for an attacking wing back in a Pochettino system, see Robertson or TAA if you want incredible service.
Trying to make out he's some slave labourer instead of you know, a bloke getting 60 grand a week plus shit tons of bonuses, is hilarious. The players at Spurs aren't forced to sign contracts, they do it of their own free will and our wage budget may not be elite level but they don't play for a quite elite club, of the rest of the pack we're up there in terms of wages.
Now you've upgraded them from "shit" to "average". And you still haven't told me which clubs outside the top 2 have two better LBs … and if none do then I don't see how even your upgrade to "average" is accurate.
Foyth: we shall see as the season unfolds, but I'm confident that your "vomit" assessment is way off the mark.
So, spending £1 billion on the stadium/training centre - rather more substantial items than hotdog stands - is "irrelevant" to transfer spending? Well, I suppose is it in the financial fantasy world that you seem to inhabit where money grows on trees and there should always be plenty for everything.
You predicted we'd be in a top 4 battle? Well, hey there Nostradamus. Did you expect we'd be challenging Man. City for the title? You talk about an "in crisis" Chelsea and make excuses for Arsenal, but you again ignore the impact of our not being able to play our home games in our true home, choosing to focus instead on our not signing any new players last summer. Yet despite it all we did again finish in the top 4, which is as much as could reasonably be expected league-wise.
Not a good season because "seasons should not be based on cup runs"? Do me a favour - reaching the CL final pisses all over finishing 3rd (instead of 4th) in the league. And reaching that final has provided much of the money that we've now started to spend on the like of Ndombele.
But I forget - in your view we (a) should have been challenging City's 98 points, despite playing our 'home' games at Wembley and despite their sugar-daddy outspending us in net terms over the last several years by a factor of 20:1; and (b) don't need to earn money via the CL in order to spend more on players - we should instead just borrow more from the banks ... or else just pluck a few more leaves from the mythical money tree.
I'm not going to say anymore about all this in this thread, because it's not the place.
They're average by PL standards, less than decent by top 4 standards, and shit for anyone wanting to challenge for a league. For where we want to be, they're shit. It's all relative. Your 'two better left backs' bullshit is such a straw man that I can't even begin to engage with it, who cares if we have a better backup than other clubs? Give me a top class lb and a poor backup over two bang average ones all day long. There are numerous better left backs in the Prem than rose/davies.
Ok, good for you. Based on what I don't know.
Oh holy shit, stop the Levy propaganda act for ONE minute. I meant it wasn't fecking relevant to the fact Pochettino has to make do at times squad wise. And holy shit you're back on the old 'money growing on trees' train, calm the feck down we've spent like 40m net this window which is less than half what we earned from our CL run alone.
I predicted we'd be in a HEAVY top 4 battle, which we haven't been for a while, actually. We declined in the league big time and have slowly gone from comfortably 2nd, to comfortably 3rd, to uncomfortably 4th. This has taken place over several years yet you're blind as a bat to this steady decline because it doesn't suit your fecking agenda. Club league wise is on a sharp downward trajectory and last season was our worst league campaign in many years, everything I said about our poor summer came true, a cup run hides nothing.
It pisses all over it from an achievement perspective, but the league is still the bread and butter for any club and what any sensible fan will use to judge where a team is really at. Plenty of not very good teams have gone on excellent cup runs (chelsea 2010, liverpool 2005, and they actually won the thing) so let's not pretend it's proof it was a rosy season. The likes of Ndombele? Nice wording. We've signed Ndombele. That's it. There's no likes of.
Good job inventing stuff I never said though .. obviously I don't expect us to challenge 98 points, just simply not continually allow our rivals to catch up in the league or fall behind an in-crisis Chelsea. And yep, here goes glaston's borrowing from the banks speech even though you're first in line to bang on about how amazing our finances are and how much we have to spend when it suits you. We can't possibly sign another right back to replace the right back we just sold otherwise the club will fall in to financial RUIN.
You decided to make it the thread because you can't handle honesty about players/situations. I don't sugar coat shit, Rose/Davies are average fullbacks and Foyth is not going to be a great right back, same as Aurier is a crap footballer. We have many great footballers at the club who I'll praise to the ends of the earth but I'm not going to blow smoke up the arses of the ones who aren't just to appear like a top fan. Just like I won't not criticise the board if I think our transfer strategy stinks. You can live in the world of delusion if you like, that's fine .. but don't expect others to.
Please, you Spurs cnuts.
The Spurs peasantry is getting unruly.
Annnnnnnd back to Lo Celso.
Too expensive, 60-65mil, no thanks. Can get Fernandes for around 50ish.
It's a Spurs off!
Close between this and the final of the Netball world cup as to which is going to grab my attention.
Close between this and the final of the Netball world cup as to which is going to grab my attention.
More rumours this morning that we have done this deal, £50M... Surely bollocks, or do they need the money for the Fekir deal?
Fekir is his replacement, so a deal must be close
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Surely he is off now with Fekir being his replacement.
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If he does move to Spurs they’ve brought in some quality options.
Does then make you wonder what will happen with Eriksen.
Rumour this morning is 2 in one out this week, usual ITK guff that I don't believe just passing on. Im guessing they think we are finially getting rid of Jansen and bringing in Sessingon and GLC.
If the price is true, this is a very good deal for Spurs. He will fit Poch and them like a glove. In a few years, plenty of posters will say why we didnt go for him. He will have a Bernardo Silva type of impact on Spurs, not necessarily that he plays like Bernardo, but just by being one of their best players and instrumental. You just know Poch has a clear idea how to use him. Said from the beginning he is very keen on him. While this all sounds a lot of praise, i was amazed by how drastically he improved over the last 2 years. Spurs is also absolutely the right move for him, regardless of what Eriksen does.
I have a soft spot for Argentinian football, so while Lo Celso moves to a 'rival', he is a semi raw gem waiting to be polished to brilliance. He has made some good moves after PSG with Betis and now with Spurs. Helps with Pochettino there and continuity to convince the player to join.
Yeah I was just reading this and has been repeated on a few fronts, what's going on with the price drop? Is it purely cause they need money for Fekir?
Ndombele, Lo Celso and Sessegnon would be very good business for Spurs.
However it does seem Eriksen is on his bike. GLC isn't as a good as him but younger I guess.
However it does seem Eriksen is on his bike. GLC isn't as a good as him but younger I guess.
Maybe it was just starting out higher to meet in the middle. You had a 53m pounds bid rejected, while they didnt have a replacement. Now that they got their man, they will probably accept a lower fee from their initial 75m Euros fee. It makes sense to be around 55m Euros + 10m add ons. I dont think they necessarily need money for Fekir, seems like they will sell Firpo for 30-40m this summer as well, but once they got Fekir, the price would only drop, nobody would pay 75m and Spurs seem to be the only ones making concrete decent bids. I think both clubs will be happy with it.
How much do you know about him? Is he more a ACM or deeplying playmaker?
I started to watch him once we got linked to him a few years ago at Rosario before he moved to PSG. Then a bit at PSG under Emery, once he started to play a bit more. Then at Betis and the National Team.
He started out as an AM at Rosario, played a bit more deeper at PSG under Emery. At Betis he played some sort of CM/AM hybrid. Pretty similar to Eriksen, KDB, Pogba or Bruno Fernandes position wise. He is not a deep lying playmaker, even if he drops deeper to collect the ball and drive it forward. Will probably play a bit higher than Ndombele.
Both him and Ndombele are better and more consistent at dribbling than passing, although Ndombele isnt someone i watched that much. Lo Celso has the tools to be playing deeper, but at the moment he lacks the consistency in passing, positioning and defensive nous for that role, that someone like Rodri has. He plays riskier passes that not always work out and can be a bit hit and miss. Unless Pochettino wants to change him, he should be playing in a more advanced central midfield or 10 position. Pretty much like Eriksen in your current setup.
Between him and new chap at Arsenal whose better?
I haven't seen either of them play but Ceballos is definitely better.
.I find that hard to believe. Lo Celso was amazing for Betis last season while Ceballos barely played for Real.
Thanks man, if we do get this and Sessingon done this week I will be over the moon.
He's been bounced between positions a lot throughout his career so far, but he was excellent in a CM/AM type role this year. Posted really great defensive stats (if you're into that sort of thing) and showed a great ability to time his runs into the box to get goals despite often being played as a CM.
I hope that's where Poch plays him as that's what seems to be his best spot. Where he can run around and harass the opposition when off the ball, while fluidly linking the attack while in possession.
My only concern is if he's an Eriksen replacement as Eriksen's level of creativity is near impossible to replace. That said we keep moving Eriksen deeper it seems so Lo Celso taking his spot wouldn't be too different from what he did at Betis.
Good man thanks.
I checked the 'he's nearly signed' links and it's all paper talk coming from places like the sun, will believe it when I see a half decent link.
With all the crap flying about during transfer season my policy is always only pay any heed to a genuine link by a reputable paper and we haven't had that yet.
That said if there is anything to the links then 45m sounds like a really good deal. I was a little dubious about the original reports of 70/80m because even in 2019 I wasn't quite sure he justified that.
With all the crap flying about during transfer season my policy is always only pay any heed to a genuine link by a reputable paper and we haven't had that yet.
That said if there is anything to the links then 45m sounds like a really good deal. I was a little dubious about the original reports of 70/80m because even in 2019 I wasn't quite sure he justified that.
You mean he did this by putting your club in 600m of net debt? In what parallell universe is that considered an 1bn investment?
Yeah I'm liking this business. Midfield was a weak area for them but they've possibly transformed that if Ndombele shows his Lyon form in the Prem.
Do you not think doubling our capacity, and probably more than doubling our total match day revenue isn't an investment in the long term?
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