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Giovani Lo Celso / season long loan to Spurs
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The talk is that Foyth will be our new right back following good performances in that position for Argentina.
Then you need a new CB!
Possibly - we still have Toby, Verts and Sanchez - with Foyth and Dier (honestly think his final position will be CB) who can also play CB - with Aurier, Foyth and KWP covering RB - ideally I'd love to see a RB, CB or LB (though possibly this will be Sessegnon) come in but who knows at this stage.
Spot on.
Cabellos/Ndombele/Locelso
Wow that looks like one hell of a midfield behind Son and Kane !
Ceballos is going to Arsenal.
Personally I agree with Dier, but then if you shift him, you just make a gap for CDM. You can't trust Wanyama there all season, I'm not sure Winks is really that kind of player. You seem to either play with a 3 or your DM is capable of slotting into the back 3.
Like i said its all opinions, I think Rose is shit.
They're both shit.
Just vomited a bit.
Judging from the posts by the Spurs fans Davies has been bad? Every time I have seen him play seems he has been solid. Maybe not a dynamic get forward and fire in crosses or take on defenders constantly type, but just a solid defensive style LB. Who does get forward occasionally, admittedly I didnt watch Spurs overly much last season.
I think I put him in my underrated team of the year not the campaign just gone but the season previous to it.
I dont rate Dier or Wanyama highly, think they are both pretty average. Those big destroyer type of DM's becoming a bit of a thing of the past, I could see maybe one in the team but not both. Think Spurs will be fine with Winks, Sissoko, Ndombele and one of either Dier or Wanyama as their midfield options. With Alli also being able to play in the deeper midfield role. That is 4 players for 2 spots and Alli as an option in a pinch.
Foyth at RB? Does he have the acceleration/pace or dribbling ability to play as a wing back?
I think I put him in my underrated team of the year not the campaign just gone but the season previous to it.
I dont rate Dier or Wanyama highly, think they are both pretty average. Those big destroyer type of DM's becoming a bit of a thing of the past, I could see maybe one in the team but not both. Think Spurs will be fine with Winks, Sissoko, Ndombele and one of either Dier or Wanyama as their midfield options. With Alli also being able to play in the deeper midfield role. That is 4 players for 2 spots and Alli as an option in a pinch.
Foyth at RB? Does he have the acceleration/pace or dribbling ability to play as a wing back?
I think That the 2 midfielders we want are Milinkovic Savic and Fernandes.
Good grief .... Rose is "shit", Davies is "shit", Trippier was "shit" … and now Foyth makes you vomit.
Do you go through a spell like this every summer? I remember last summer, when you first popped up on here, you were predicting doom and gloom for Spurs ahead because we didn't sign anyone in the transfer window. But our season didn't turn out too bad in the end after all.
I think Betis want too much for Lo Celso, dont feel he is worth 70mil. Think we could get Bruno cheaper, 45-50mil for Fernandes.
If you think Rose and Davies are good fullbacks who are going to propel us to any kind of decent level you're delusional. They're carried by superior teammates.
Foyth doesn't make me want to vomit. The idea of us going in to next season with Foyth/Aurier as our right back options based on a few games in the copa pissing America .. now that makes me want vomit. Foyth has potential as a future ball playing defender if he can iron out the errors and build himself up a bit physically, which is all fine since he's young. Not as a right back, in my opinion at least.
I said we'd struggle to make top four based on the lack of signings. We finished 1 point ahead of fifth and only made it because Arsenal had a total collapse at the end of the season, very conceivably we could have been going in to this season with no champions league football, so let's not pretend my 'predictions' were completely off the mark. We struggled hugely in the league due to our lack of depth in the areas I brought up during the summer, but made it through due to other players in certain areas stepping up.
If you want to pretend a fantastic cup run papers over all our cracks, go ahead. This squad has plenty of issues which need to be fixed with solid investment or we will not go forward, Ndombele is a fantastic addition but let's not start thinking we can just make do in key areas with makeshift right backs etc.
Isn't Carter-Vicker's coming through? Rumour has it y'all have a deal tied up for the Ssesegnon twins, and are just selling guys off to make the neccesary room
Yes, I think Rose and Davies are good fullbacks (albeit Rose is wingback) and represent better options down the left defensive side than offered by any but last season's top 2 clubs. And no, Spurs don't need propelling to "any kind of decent level", because we already are at a decent level …. unless you think that several consecutive top 4 finishes is not a decent level.
The question is how do Spurs improve further? And the answer certainly doesn't involve your ridiculous under-rating of several of the players that we already have, nor your groundless second-guessing of the judgement of both Pochettino and the Argentine national manger that Foyth has potential at RB.
I don't have time to right now to dig out your endless string of pessimistic forecasts from last summer, nor respond to your above excuses as to why these forecasts fell flat.
Spurs lost over a third of their league games last season and still finished top 4. I think Spurs are currently at that level because of how poor United and Arsenal were, rather than how good Spurs were. Spurs need to improve, or hope Chelsea fall flat under Lampard and United and Arsenal are just as poor as last year.
What?
From outside the top two: Digne, Holebas, Shaw, Chilwell. Just off the top of my head, and regardless just because some other teams (who shock horror, also aren't that great sides and we should be looking to move away from the likes of Arsenal, not stay near them) have bad left backs doesn't mean we should continue to. We're at a solid level now but should be looking to push on and attempt to close the gap with City & Liverpool as much as we can, you don't do that by shrugging your shoulders and accepting Rose/Davies as options.
We improve further by signing better players. Ndombele is a fantastic start at that, improves our midfield greatly. Also, I don't 'second guess' anything, I know Pochettino has made errors in the past (and has had to deal with scrimping by Levy so has a make do policy) and I also know Argentina have crap right backs, hence why Foyth was played there. He didn't get put there because the Argentine manager thinks he's world class in the role.
My endless string of pessimistic forecasts which basically came down to: we haven't improved nearly enough and have stayed static and will be involved heavily in the top 4 battle next season. And yes, that fell very flat as we ended up being very heavily engaged in the top 4 battle (1 point ahead), had a pretty insane number of losses in the league, and had an early FA cup exit. We also dropped a league position to a Chelsea side who were in crisis for most of the year.
But yeah, you can continue to pretend that didn't happen if you want, it suits your agenda. We had a fantastic European cup run (it can happen, look at Di Matteo's Chelsea) but the overall signs were there all season the squad badly needed work and we ended up being very fortunate Arsenal couldn't win AT HOME to Brighton. Otherwise it would have been a disaster of a season, shock horror as fine margins exist in football but Glaston wants to pretend like we were all gravy for the entire season.
You don't have time for this, but I'd bet you would have time to tell everyone how our stadium has the best nachos or some other mundane shit nobody should care about.
I agree with this, it's been a strange summer for Spurs Ndombele I see as Dembele's replacement and it remains to be seen whether he's better or worse so nothing to suggest just yet that there's an improvement there and now you've sold your first choice RB, happy to let your first choice LB leave and the only player you're seemingly interested in is a replacement for Eriksen (who may also be leaving)
I cant imagine Poch is thrilled with what's gone on thus far
Its funny how people make it out like half of the top6 were "poor" this year. The PL had the finalists in both the EL and the fecking CL with United and City doing pretty well in the CL as well.
IMO Spurs has done darn well with the investment that the club has (not) made in players over the last couple of years; considering the competition that has been far from "poor". That they will probably be fighting for their lives next season to make top4 should not be a surprise, neither the notion that they have a good chance at making it nxt season as well.
Fantastic.
Well you cant deny domestically the Top 6 bar the top 2 were bad, really bad. Both Chelsea and Spurs snuck into the Top 4 through being slightly less bad than Arsenal and us however who knows maybe having so many sides competing in Europe was the cause for at least 3 of the sides being so bad domestically (while the 4th/us had no such excuses)
I dont know, I dont really get this argument tbf.
Bad compared to whom? Worse than two the two teams that competed in the CL final and the PL-champions that was eliminated from the CL by one of those teams.
For me its more logical that this years PL was probably one of the best we have seen and I have a real difficulty to label anyone in the top6 this year as "bad".
I could rewrite your post and say that Chelsea and Spurs snuck in top4 by being better that Arsenal and us.
Glass half full and stuff.
so losing over a third of league games and still getting in the top four meant the other teams were really good?
Edit: The last time a team lost 13 games and finished in the top 4 was Everton in 2004/05.
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Indeed, I obviously dont know other sides results as well as I do our own but in no world can a side (us) who's last 2 results of the season was a draw at relegated Huddersfield and a defeat at home to relegated Cardiff be described as good
I think losses are somewhat overrated - or rather draws are overrated.
At this point to get anywhere in this competition it’s really just about wins period. Draws are basically for teams avoiding relegation and even then the 1 point barely does anything.
If you’re trying to win the premier league or get top 4 draws are basically losses. Tottenham had 15 draws and losses and Arsenal had 17 draws and losses and the result was us finishing above them. So the talk of how many games we lost last year is pretty insignificant to me.
There’s also the fact that you can flip the argument around and say Tottenham finished in the top 4 because of wins - and winning is what the game is about.
Since two of them made the EL-final, yeah, really good teams I would say. The PL was really strong last season and it will be stronger the coming one. Because of the money.
This is semantics btw, if you just compare ourselves and Spurs with Pool and City with no other comparison to rest of footballing Europe. Yeah, we and Spurs were poor.
I don't really care how many games we won/lost .. it's the league, you need to get points. Liverpool lost less than City but lost the league overall.
The point is that we were perilously close to dropping out of the top four, like .. one point and an Arsenal win at home to Brighton close. We're incredibly lucky they fell over the finish line because we completely fecked up the end of the season from our own side, at least league wise.
We declined in the league last season quite significantly. The league is the bread and butter and best way to judge a side overall, always has been. We need to improve or risk falling behind more or facing another one or two seasons of a serious top 4 battle, in which we may end up falling behind.
The point is that we were perilously close to dropping out of the top four, like .. one point and an Arsenal win at home to Brighton close. We're incredibly lucky they fell over the finish line because we completely fecked up the end of the season from our own side, at least league wise.
We declined in the league last season quite significantly. The league is the bread and butter and best way to judge a side overall, always has been. We need to improve or risk falling behind more or facing another one or two seasons of a serious top 4 battle, in which we may end up falling behind.
I don’t rate losses at all, they’re the worst.
Good point overall (no pun intended) I agree with your post, DRAWS are overrated.
In the SAF days, most draws felt like a loss.
I can't even picture this guy. Hadn't heard of him until about three weeks ago. Maybe I'll lead the call for us to sign him!
someone forget to press the stop button when SAF was given the task of copying Liverpool... we've got about another 25 years in the wilderness by my reckoning
Rose is a fantastic fullback, spurs are fecking mugs for binning him off beacaie he's 28 and wants a few quid more. Cheeky cnuts only bought him for a million, stingy bastards!
It was all downhill since he did that stupid interview saying he's bigger than Spurs and will soon have a move to a Manc club
idiotYou ignore the fact that Spurs had to play most of their 'home' games away from our true home - a handicap not faced by our rivals - whereas now we're back home for the coming season.
So you might want to take a look at our home record during our the last season at White Hart Lane … and compare to it last season. This doesn't of course mean that we'll now necessarily match our last home record at WHL, but a penny gets you a pound that our home record will be better than at Wembley last time around.
He made his bed though.
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