German Football 21/22 | Gladbach sign Farke

[do.ob]

I get it you are a Dortmund fan. But this is still just wrong. They didnt sat out anything. Contracts exist for a Reason and im sure you know its not so easy to drop something like this without having a backup. We are talking about 9 Million and potential 15 if they get promoted

They have been at this for fifteen years, just six days (!) ago they sent out a press release calling Gazprom a reliable partner of fifteen years, stressing that their partnership is with "Gazprom Germania", like it makes a difference. It's also a distinction they didn't bother to make when they cheerfully announced their contact extension last year, agreed in Russia. Even when they decided to remove Gazprom from their jerseys, but not break the contract, it was "after talks with Gazprom Germania".

It was only now, after several days of war, nuclear threats and after Watzke told them other clubs would give them money to get rid of Gazprom that Schalke severed their ties for good. So please: where has the club shown any kind of initiative on the matter? They knew full well what this was from the beginning, the picture is evidence of that and they rode the gravy train all the way until they were promised a bailout.

 

[hellhunter]

Felix Zwayer shouldn't be allowed anywhere close to a football pitch

 

[do.ob]

What the heck. According to Mainz their playing operation has been "fully immunized", including those 19 players, who now tested positive.

 

[Blackwidow]

 

[arthurka]

Freiburg starting well. Streich is a very very lively coach to say the least and got his team playing some great stuff.

 

[hasanejaz88]

Comedic defending from Leverkusen. Great finish from Sule though

 

[TenonTen]

Great acrobatic finish by Muller!!

 

[hasanejaz88]

Goal for Leverkusen out of no where, og from Muller

 

[do.ob]

Bayern's defense aren't what they used to be, are they? Last year they were a bit open, too, but I thought that was because of exhaustion. Usually you'd also expect them to come back twice as hard after a silly OG like Müller's.

 

[Hansi Fick]

Nagelsmann really is clueless. Headless chicken football all over the pitch. Unable to calm a game down, unable to control play and possession, unable to keep a lead. Not saying I don't like it more often than not; it's awesome when it's going well, very exciting, but also really, really silly. And 100% we won't win a difficult trophy with him, unless he's able to learn on the job really fast..

 

[Hansi Fick]

It's also thoroughly mind boggling how Nagelsmann can publicly scold Nianzou for being too "unreliable" to start him and then there is Upamecano in there every other week. Surely there's no way Nianzou could do anywhere close to as horribly.

 

[Zehner]

It's also thoroughly mind boggling how Nagelsmann can publicly scold Nianzou for being too "unreliable" to start him and then there is Upamecano in there every other week. Surely there's no way Nianzou could do anywhere close to as horribly.

Upamecano was always like that. Everytime I saw him for Leipzig, he had one or two errors of that kind in his game. Never got why he was so highly rated. Huge potential obviously but also far too many issued with concentration and focus. Was actually a bit happy when he signed for Bayern

 

[do.ob]

Hertha are so lucky that Dardai won so many points before they sacked him.

Upamecano was always like that. Everytime I saw him for Leipzig, he had one or two errors of that kind in his game. Never got why he was so highly rated. Huge potential obviously but also far too many issued with concentration and focus. Was actually a bit happy when he signed for Bayern

I actually think he's gotten significantly worse. For Leipzig his mistakes were occasional, but at Bayern - and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, since I don't watch every match - it seems like he has at least one clownish moment per game.

 

[Hansi Fick]

We'll be in so much trouble when Neuer retires. We've been such a mess since Ulreich had to come in.

 

[Boavista]

We'll be in so much trouble when Neuer retires. We've been such a mess since Ulreich had to come in.

Presumably Ulreich won't be Neuer's successor though, but replacing him will be a mammoth task. Can't see any attainable goalkeepers remotely on his level.. not even any potentially up an coming German ones, but there's still time until he retires.

Upamecano was always like that. Everytime I saw him for Leipzig, he had one or two errors of that kind in his game. Never got why he was so highly rated. Huge potential obviously but also far too many issued with concentration and focus. Was actually a bit happy when he signed for Bayern

Then again the same was said about Boateng initially if I remember correctly, and he managed to improve in that aspect. But you never know, some promising players never eliminate those lapses of concentration from their game even though the rest of their game can be good or even better, eg David Luiz, Mustafi, Xhaka, Emre Can

 

[Zehner]

Hertha are so lucky that Dardai won so many points before they sacked him.



I actually think he's gotten significantly worse. For Leipzig his mistakes were occasional, but at Bayern - and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, since I don't watch every match - it seems like he has at least one clownish moment per game.

Haven't seen every game obviously, neither for Bayern nor Leipzig, but to me it looks pretty similar only with more spotlight. Thing with Upamecano, he looks insurmountable in one moment and like an absolute dreamer in the next one. Similar to Tah, only more extreme on both spectrums IMO

 

[Zehner]

Presumably Ulreich won't be Neuer's successor though, but replacing him will be a mammoth task. Can't see any attainable goalkeepers remotely on his level.. not even any potentially up an coming German ones, but there's still time until he retires.



Then again the same was said about Boateng initially if I remember correctly, and he managed to improve in that aspect. But you never know, some promising players never eliminate those lapses of concentration from their game even though the rest of their game can be good or even better, eg David Luiz, Mustafi, Xhaka, Emre Can

Yes, fully agree. He still can come great

 

[GhastlyHun]

That was a bit shit.

 

[Hansi Fick]

That was a bit shit.

Whole of 2022 has been a bit shit. We are not a good team at the moment, on the whole.

Presumably Ulreich won't be Neuer's successor though, but replacing him will be a mammoth task. Can't see any attainable goalkeepers remotely on his level.. not even any potentially up an coming German ones, but there's still time until he retires.

Then again the same was said about Boateng initially if I remember correctly, and he managed to improve in that aspect. But you never know, some promising players never eliminate those lapses of concentration from their game even though the rest of their game can be good or even better, eg David Luiz, Mustafi, Xhaka, Emre Can

Of course he won't, it's just that Neuer's absence represents a massive hole and loss for our whole way of playing. And yes, there won't be anyone on that level to find.

Boateng made mistakes, but never wrecked games all on his own the way Upamecano has done for us a few times this season already. It's been seriously worrying.

 

[uamini]

Hertha are so lucky that Dardai won so many points before they sacked him.

14 points in 13 matches isn't that great either. But surely this has to be it for Korkut. That's three embarassing losses in a row. Not sure who'd be willing and able to take over this trainwreck of a team though.

 

[B. Munich]

Whole of 2022 has been a bit shit. We are not a good team at the moment, on the whole

With Boateng and Alaba the 1st choice central defense left. Davies and Goretzka missing for months now doesn't help also to bring stability.

I'm even more worried looking at the bench. Bar Sané there wasn't one player with the normal Bayern standard. Compared to the CL season the quality of the squad took a huge hit. If some key players have long-term injuries, it clearly shows. No idea what Salihamidzic saw in Richardson.

 

[Hansi Fick]

With Boateng and Alaba the 1st choice central defense left. Davies and Goretzka missing for months now doesn't help also to bring stability.

I'm even more worried looking at the bench. Bar Sané there wasn't one player with the normal Bayern standard. Compared to the CL season the quality of the squad took a huge hit. If some key players have long-term injuries, it clearly shows. No idea what Salihamidzic saw in Richardson.

Funnily enough, I think Richards is doing perfectly fine. It's Sabitzer and Pavard who have me worried, and Musiala, as great a talent he is, isn't ready to be a starter at a club like ours.

 

[HerrLeinad]

We'll be in so much trouble when Neuer retires. We've been such a mess since Ulreich had to come in.

Ulreich wasn't our GK in the game vs Gladbach and he also wasn't GK in many games after that. Trying to frame our bad 2022 form around Ulreich is dumb.

 

[Hansi Fick]

Ulreich wasn't our GK in the game vs Gladbach and he also wasn't GK in many games after that. Trying to frame our bad 2022 form around Ulreich is dumb.

I'm not trying to do that. It's just a loosely connected observation that Neuer's absence hurts us fundamentally on top of our, let's say, questionable organizational behaviour.

 

[HerrLeinad]

With Boateng and Alaba the 1st choice central defense left. Davies and Goretzka missing for months now doesn't help also to bring stability.

I'm even more worried looking at the bench. Bar Sané there wasn't one player with the normal Bayern standard. Compared to the CL season the quality of the squad took a huge hit. If some key players have long-term injuries, it clearly shows. No idea what Salihamidzic saw in Richardson.

The player is called Omar Richards and he has been solid to good in all of his minutes to far. He had another good game today and shouldn't have been subbed tbh. The subs certainly didn't improve anything.

I'm not trying to do that. It's just a loosely connected observation that Neuer's absence hurts us fundamentally on top of our, let's say, questionable organizational behaviour.

You literally wrote "We've been such a mess since Ulreich had to come in"...

Noone will argue that missing Neuer doesn't weaken us but Ulreich hasn't been the problem (so far). If you want to make a real point then we need to talk about the injuries of Davies and Goretzka. These hurt us a lot more because without them Nagelsmann is currently struggling to implement any system that works. Those two were in many areas what held our fragile attacking system together.

 

[B. Munich]

The player is called Omar Richards and he has been solid to good in all of his minutes to far. He had another good game today and shouldn't have been subbed tbh. The subs certainly didn't improve anything.

You are right of course with name. Annoying autocorrect on my phone.
I have to admit I couldn't really watch the match in full but in the highlights I got the impression that all of Leverkusen's big chances came over our left side where Richards was playing.

 

[do.ob]

It's nice to see Stuttgart grab that 3-2: they show great fighting spirit, despite Gladbach scoring two goals from two chances. The only thing that has been letting them down was their finishing, but they basically brute forced through that problem.

Gladbach however... precious little after their early 2-0 lead and absolutely no signs of life after Stuttgart's lead. They have too many points already to get into serious relegation trouble, but this constant lack of effort and/or collapses from their side is shocking.

14 points in 13 matches isn't that great either. But surely this has to be it for Korkut. That's three embarassing losses in a row. Not sure who'd be willing and able to take over this trainwreck of a team though.

I don't rate Dardai particularly highly as a coach, but one thing I'll give him is that knows how to stabilize a team, someone I more or less trust to see out a relegation battle. But it was only meant as a joke anyway: because Korkut's 0.75 ppg makes the 1.08 ppg Dardai performed this season look like a miracle.

 

[do.ob]

It's that time of year again.

Grammozis sacked, after suffering a 3-4 defeat in the dying minutes of yesterday's match.





It's easy to see why:

As is custom for Schalke they have ignored the fact that their football is terrible until the table caught up with it. Hamburg might be tempted as well, but unlike the situation at Schalke I think that Walter's football is something they can build on, so I hope that they will give him a second season, even if they don't get promoted.

 

[stefan92]

Hamburg might be tempted as well, but unlike the situation at Schalke I think that Walter's football is something they can build on, so I hope that they will give him a second season, even if they don't get promoted.

Hamburg's slow start killed their promotion chances. Their last three results in the league aren't great, but meanwhile they also reached the cup semifinal. So I think by now Walter is quite safe, if Hamburg had fired him this season it would have been after the first third.

 

[do.ob]

Hamburg's slow start killed their promotion chances. Their last three results in the league aren't great, but meanwhile they also reached the cup semifinal. So I think by now Walter is quite safe, if Hamburg had fired him this season it would have been after the first third.

As always Hamburg, being too big a club for the 2nd division, have the problem that it's all or nothing and promotion is the only thing that counts. For example Thioune or Hecking didn't really do a bad job either, in fact they were en route to promotion until the very end and most other clubs probably would have said "alright, we just need to be a little calmer at the home stretch" and kept them.

Coach	ppg (2. BL only)
Titz	1.80
Wolf	1.58
Hecking	1.59
Thioune	1.68
Walter	1.64

If the season were to end today Walter would probably survive, but let them have a few more bad results and there will again be the question "can he hold up under pressure, are we really 100% sure he's a promotion winner?".

 

[verycute]

How? Schalke sits between 4-X all Season long. Our Football is terrible because of that Coach and everyone saw that coming which is the sad Part because the People in Power did not or didnt want to Change "maybe it works" and it probably would have werent it for all the Injuries. Realy too bad the Change comes waaay too late. i highly doubt they do the Werder Bremen and win 7 Games in a Row

Whens Rose getting kicked ? I mean Dortmund plays the same horrible Football Schalke did in the past Years. Lucky for them RB and Leverkusen are very bad this Season as well

 

[do.ob]

Whens Rose getting kicked ? I mean Dortmund plays the same horrible Football Schalke did in the past Years. Lucky for them RB and Leverkusen are very bad this Season as well

I mean there's some pressure for Rose at the moment, but that's a bit harsh, considering he is currently en route to beat Schalke's best ever season by three points!?

 

[Zehner]

I mean there's some pressure for Rose at the moment, but that's a bit harsh, considering he is currently en route to beat Schalke's best ever season by three points!?

Recently read that solely looking at points, Dortmund and Bayern are playing their best season since 18/19 and Leverkusen sind 12/13 or something along those lines.

 

[Hansi Fick]

Recently read that solely looking at points, Dortmund and Bayern are playing their best season since 18/19 and Leverkusen sind 12/13 or something along those lines.

Leverkusen had more points after 25 games in 19/20 (47), I happen to have checked that exactly 2 hours ago. Interestingly, they were only 5th at that point, with both Leipzig and Gladbach ahead of them.
Goes to show what a tragedy this league has become in the last couple of years. First Covid and then universal self-mutilation in the great managerial carousel of 2021.

 

[Blackwidow]

How? Schalke sits between 4-X all Season long. Our Football is terrible because of that Coach and everyone saw that coming which is the sad Part because the People in Power did not or didnt want to Change "maybe it works" and it probably would have werent it for all the Injuries. Realy too bad the Change comes waaay too late. i highly doubt they do the Werder Bremen and win 7 Games in a Row

Whens Rose getting kicked ? I mean Dortmund plays the same horrible Football Schalke did in the past Years. Lucky for them RB and Leverkusen are very bad this Season as well

They are still on the course of rank 4 - and they are already out of the cups. If you do not have a better replacement now probably is not the time to change if you do not have to do it because you want to achieve something... - with one match less they are 9 points ahead of the 5th rank.

 

[Hansi Fick]

Büskens, of course, who else. Stevens to take over in April after Büskens has been sacked.

 

[stefan92]

Büskens, of course, who else. Stevens to take over in April after Büskens has been sacked.

Isn't it amazing, having kind of a permanent interim manager on the pay roll? Really makes it easier to fire a manager.

 

[do.ob]

Isn't it amazing, having kind of a permanent interim manager on the pay roll? Really makes it easier to fire a manager.

It's entirely possible that I'm reading too much into it, but the timing of things (Grammozis sacked first thing Sunday, Büskens announced long after business hours on Monday) looks like they have absolutely no idea what they are doing, it looks like they sacked Grammozis without preparation, then spent the entire Sunday and Monday scrambling for a replacement and in the end had to settle for Büskens.

 

[do.ob]

I was always quite critical of Korkut, but I'm happy to admit when I'm wrong. How could they ever get relegated when they are being force fed pure motivation like that.

 

[Zehner]

I was always quite critical of Korkut, but I'm happy to admit when I'm wrong. How could they ever get relegated when they are being force fed pure motivation like that.

Wow, he really, really sounds like a sunday league coach trying to talk to the foreign echange student in his team, right?

"You're here until shit, I am here until shit" That doesn't even make sense if you just translate the German sentence word by word! Eye-opening speech.