Dortmund 3-0 up after 25 minutes in the cup semifinal v Kiel, easiest game of the season so far for them.
German Football 20/21
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Kiel finding out the hard way that it's not always that easy against the Bundesliga teams. 
Poor Kiel
They started pretty decent, it reminded me of the Bayern game. Hopefully this drubbing doesn't interfere with their pursuit of Bundesliga promotion.
They started pretty decent, it reminded me of the Bayern game. Hopefully this drubbing doesn't interfere with their pursuit of Bundesliga promotion.
Disappointing game from Kiel, even for a second division side. Though I'm not sure I would blame them for it, with promotion on their mind and their two week quarantine messing with their schedule.
That looked like serious knee damage for Morey. Very, very bitter.
It actually made me sick to my stomach hearing Morey's screams. That looked really serious, probably won't be playing any more football this year. He already tore his meniscus a few years back, does anyone know if that was the same knee? I'm honestly really worried if he will be able to keep playing at all. Such a downer in this great game for a Dortmund supporter.
It actually made me sick to my stomach hearing Morey's screams. That looked really serious, probably won't be playing any more football this year. He already tore his meniscus a few years back, does anyone know if that was the same knee? I'm honestly really worried if he will be able to keep playing at all. Such a downer in this great game for a Dortmund supporter.
Horrible listening to his screams!!! That must have hurt so much. The knee is not meant to go that way. Poor lad...
If you get access from abroad, there is videos of it in a norwegian newspaper https://www.dagbladet.no/studio/sportsstudio/307?post=63030
This is the stuff nightmares are made of. You don't want to watch this.
No one can take a joke these days..just kidding
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Impressive command of historical knowledge, really, to even be able to name such a specific Nazi judge to use as an insult. He should be applauded, not criticized.
Try scoring points in the schoolyard by saying "You're a regular Roland Freisler, are you"
Schalke sign Terodde, weakening a direct rival!!
at first you got me man, great one
was already fuming and wrote like an essay about how wrong all of this is, being a lawyer myself and blablabla until I looked at it again and saw it
what does that even mean? Is this serious? Everybody knows Freisler
Nope. No one cares about who was president of the highest court during the Nazi time. That name is not known to a lot of people, might be different for lawyers (like you said you are) etc, but outside of the law studies Freisler is not a generally important figure everyone knows about.
I first learned about him in school where history about nazi Germany was basically taught in every subject every year. No one cares about him? Do people really not know stuff about Sophie Scholl? About Stauffenberg and his colleagues? That's really surprising to me.
I heard about him at school even. I think he's one of the more prominent Nazis and he's basically used as the face of the entire judicial system of that time.
On topic: it's all just so cringy. Keller casually comparing someone to a murdering Nazi reminds me more of some Korn fuelled local club meeting than a DFB leadership meeting and while I guess it really is something he should resign over, the other side look opportunistic to me as well, especially considering that Curtius, who supposedly was the one who alerted the ethics committee to this incident, was "no confidenced" together with Keller.
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On a schoolyard? Or in a football stand? No they don't.
I'm sure I had learned and read about him many times before, still wouldn't have been able to come up with the name.
People knowing the household names Stauffenberg and Sophie Scholl (100th birthday these days so just read another article about her today, didn't know she was an ardent BDM member..) from movies or history 101 doesn't mean they know the name of the judge that had them executed.
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https://www.ard.de/home/wissen/Nationalsozialismus__Die_wichtigsten_Koepfe/1588886/index.html
ARD lists him as one of the top 15 influential nazis. So let's agree to disagree in this case.
I'm not sure what's your point. I'm not claiming the guy was not an influential Nazi and is not an important historical figure.
But you don't seriously believe that, if you go out on the street right now and ask 10 people "Who is Roland Freisler?" (you might even make that Heydrich or Speer), you've got good chances of having 1 of 10 being able to give an answer.
My point is, it's common knowledge and absolutely not impressive nor should anybody applauded for knowing a top 15 nazi as a german (at least no one older than maybe 20 or so). Obviously if you ask random people on the street (they're not representative) they might say that cocoa drinks come from brown cows.
You could also select them representatively and make a proper survey. Still won't be more than 2 out of 10 who have instant command of who that person is. In that sense, it is not common knowledge at all.
But, you do realize that it was a tongue-in-cheek comment about the Keller affair? Because to me, it's funny that he would use such a specific insult?
If we assume that Keller wanted to be extra naughty, he may have used the comparison, because it's such a specific insult. After all Rainer Koch was a judge before he became a football official.
Hamburg back to their annual dance of desperation.
they really are. Might have actually been just a meme since quite some time
We all love to joke about Hamburg, but to be fair I don't think it was such a strange decision. The team choked really badly. Five consecutive games without a win, against mediocre opponents! I haven't watched them enough to argue whether Thioune's football deserved another season, but in general that merits looking for another coach. And if you already know your current coach will not survive the summer and things are looking pretty hopeless in the short term, then you might as well roll the dice with Hrubesch. They have got nothing left to lose anyway.
You are right, but it still feels like they are making this change too late. They so far only won three games in the second half of the season (so in the last 14 games) - that is a disaster for a team that wants to win the league. It's not in their hands anymore now, and that is a really bad situation for them.
I think it is more suspicious that they end up in this situation almost every season, regardless who's on the bench.
In hindsight sure, but in reality the timing never was that obvious: they had an initial run of five games without a win, but that one included draws against Fürth and Kiel and it was concluded by wins against Bochum and Heidenheim, after which they were just two points from the top.
Bundesliga is such a banter league. Bayern Munich are paying €62m to take their closest rivals coach and best player.
It has to be the pressure. They have tried different coaches, they have rebuilt their squad to a degree and they always manage to stay on course for promotion for the first 30 matches or so, so it's not like they simply aren't good enough.
Thank you for that analysis. I'm sure it took you much effort.
This has been discussed at length across various threads, and the Nagelsmann one in particular. It's really unhelpful to keep getting these one-liners from different posters (you're far from the only one). It adds absolutely nothing - it didn't the first time and even less so now that it's old news.
The loss against Sandhausen. The two games after that were just a waste of time, and it was relatively clear from the reactions after that match, that they had no idea how to turn around.
I'm all for taking decisive action when you realize something isn't going to work out, but to sack a coach after three bad matches is a gutsy move. It could very well have been merited (I haven't paid that close attention), but that's also the kicker of a chaotic club like Hamburg, they have sacked so many coaches so soon that when it's actually necessary they hesitate, because they are afraid of repeating past mistakes and how it looks to sack yet another coach.
Big Hertha on the ropes against Mainz currently. Luckily they have a Schalke game in hand.
We may assume that both, Keller and Koch have that knowledge and also that Keller was sure Koch knowing Freisler. For people of their age and education we should assume this as common knowledge.
Fair enough, but this is the German football thread so thought it was a catch all for German football. As I log on fairly irregularly I often miss out on the discussion.
But - usually when you win against Bayern the next match will be a loss...
They were struggling for at least ten games, did not show any improvement but gradually started to become a bit chaotic on and off the field. It can always happen that a team has a bad run for a few games, but you need to see that the coach has ideas how to come out of this bad run and to improve - but they did not, Thioune made more and more questionable decisions and only increased the insecurity of the players. Those three matches without a win should have been enough to come to the final conclusion, that this does not work. They dragged this out so long, that they now need Kiel to feck up badly - a bit earlier they would have had enough time to really make it a challenge for Kiel. In the end it might still be working out for them, as Kiel has a very tough schedule, but the risk has become bigger than it would have been
I'm with you in theory, but because of their past it's so, so very hard for someone at Hamburg to make that call.
12. Mainz 35 pts
13. Augsburg 33 pts
14. Bremen 30 pts
15. Bielefeld 30 pts
16. Köln 29 pts
17. Hertha 27 pts (two games in hand)
Looks like Mainz is through since a lot of the other teams still have to play each other. Pretty impressive after their disastrous start...
The rest really seems to be too close to call. Schake could actually be a factor since they still play Köln and Hertha.
I will have you know not all of those were mediocre