Whatever they do, they just can't get it right, and that is going on for a decade now...
German Football 20/21
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It was news a week or two ago so why not scroll back some to read up on the discussion? The „it‘s a one team league“ one-liners add absolutely nothing and everyone is tired of them to no end.
No idea how I hadn't seen this before, but my god, Muller was so proud of himself here
So Jens Lehmann just sent a racist whatsapp about Dennis Aogo...and mistakenly sent it to Dennis Aogo himself. Can't make this stuff up. ^^
He's still on the board at Hertha so I'm hoping this is the golden chance to get rid of him. This guy should have been shunned by the football community a long time ago..
He's still on the board at Hertha so I'm hoping this is the golden chance to get rid of him. This guy should have been shunned by the football community a long time ago..
Amazing.
Would also be interesting to hear who his original intended adressees were, who he apparently feels comfortable enough to send a racist joke as a matter of fact, and who seem to work at Sky as he's addressing them as 'your'..
As for Lehmann, anyone else feels like something like this was only a matter of time? The guy emitted an unpleasant sense of AfD potential all along, and I think one of his big favourite topics was bringing violence back into pedagogy..
edit: just got reminded of the stuff about Hitzlsperger.. this seems par for the course for Lehmann, really. Rather revolting individual.
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"bringt bei Sky Quote"
Ah ok THAT's what you meant, Jens, then all is forgotten
Good riddance.
So he is basically doubling down on his first statement („Aogo only has a job because he is black.“) by saying that he brings in viewers („Quote“).
Also: Lehmann being racist is the least shocking discovery i can think of.
I can imagine he probably didn't even mean it in a bad way. It was probably a joke to him and he doesn't get what's racist about it.
Surely this has to have consequences. You can't run around making racist jokes in his position for Hertha.
Surely this has to have consequences. You can't run around making racist jokes in his position for Hertha.
Those were pretty much exactly my thoughts and I wouldn't be surprised if cancelling him now would push him over the edge to publicly commit to them. Such an unpleasant combination of (white) privilege meets Dunning Krüger.
He's saying that he accidentally used a well known racially charged demeaning compound word, to actually express both words independently of each other. He said that Aogo is someone who got hired to increase the number of black people among the Sky staff, but he really meant that Aogo is someone who brings in the viewer numbers while also being black.
I think the fun part is that even if anyone bought that bullshit he would still have to explain why he randomly brought up his skin colour.
Also what is " In einer privaten Nachricht von meinem Handy" supposed to mean?
"In a private message" -> Aogo should not have outed him, because it was a private message?
"From my mobile phone" -> Did someone else use his phone?
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Lehmann was and always will be a giant dick and idiot
I guess you haven't seen his comments on covid. ^^
He's one of those guys who think they are way smarter than they actually are and that's always dangerous.
Hertha recently fired their long-term goalkeeping coach over a racist/homophobic interview in the Hungarian media so you'd expect them to act quickly. However Lehmann is a Windhorst appointee so I'm not sure if Hertha themselves can even fire him.
Windhorst's picks have been pretty underwhelming to say the least. He always wanted to have a big name football legend on the board but both Klinsmann and Lehmann were terrible choices. I mean there are always Matthäus or Basler who could fill in for the job. :|
And indeed Lehmann has been fired: https://www.kicker.de/nach-whatsapp-entgleisung-windhorst-wirft-lehmann-raus-804007/artikel
What a weirdo. Good riddance.
I don't think it's such a terrible idea to have someone with a football background as an advisor. Lehmann even studied economics (though I don't know if he got a degree to show for it). If you've never heard him talk he'd be a great pick.
Yeah, I agree with that. And I think it shows that Windhorst (correctly) didn't trust Hertha's leadership. He may think differently now that Schmidt/Bobic/Friedrich are running the show.
The thing about Lehmann is that you did hear him talk way before he got the job. So it was pretty clear what kind of person they were hiring.
Neat. Good riddance.
Windhorst really can't stop stepping into cowpats, you love to see it. Lets see which of the usual idiots he appoints next. I hope it's Löw
Sure, picking Klinsmann was a gamble, picking Lehmann was pure stupidity. But the idea itself wasn't wrong. I think the biggest mistake is picking someone who is already in the spotlight, rather than some clever ex-player, who cares more about the work and the club than the optics. Surely there must be someone among the numerous Hertha legends?
"Numerous Hertha legends"?
Don't think there are that many...But it could be argued that one of the problems the club is facing is that they did in fact hire too many ex-players instead of people who are good at their job. There seem to be a whole lot of people who got important positions just because they were buddies with Preetz. So if anything this club needs more experts, regardless of where they're from.
That's why a lot of people are looking forward to Dufner coming in as the new squad planner. Unlike his predecessor he never played for Hertha but he actually seems to have a good network that'll help him do a better job.
"Numerous Hertha legends"?
But it could be argued that one of the problems the club is facing is that they did in fact hire too many ex-players instead of people who are good at their job. There seem to be a whole lot of people who got important positions just because they were buddies with Preetz. So if anything this club needs more experts, regardless of where they're from.
That's why a lot of people are looking forward to Dufner coming in as the new squad planner. Unlike his predecessor he never played for Hertha but he actually seems to have a good network that'll help him do a better job.
There is of course never a substitute for competence, but having ex players who genuinely love the club in charge of its management is invaluable. Bobic was obviously a net positive for Frankfurt and he looks like a terrific catch for Berlin, but the DoF (or whatever Bobic's role will be called) is supposed to be the one providing strategic long term stability in a business where everyone else thinks in 3 to 5 year contracts, half of them sitting on a release clause. If you put someone who himself thinks in three year intervals on that position chances are it's going to bite you sooner or later.
If their 2-0 lead holds up Hertha really made some huge strides this week:
Considering their final game in hand is against Schalke, a draw on Sunday against Bielefeld could already put their minds at ease.
Werder on the other hand look quite doomed, given their abyssmal form and their fixture list:
Werder(L L L L L):
Leverkusen
Augsburg
Gladbach
Bielefeld(D W D W L):
Hertha
Hoffenheim
Stuttgart
Cologne(L L L W W):
Freiburg
Hertha
Schalke
Considering their final game in hand is against Schalke, a draw on Sunday against Bielefeld could already put their minds at ease.
Werder on the other hand look quite doomed, given their abyssmal form and their fixture list:
Werder(L L L L L):
Leverkusen
Augsburg
Gladbach
Bielefeld(D W D W L):
Hertha
Hoffenheim
Stuttgart
Cologne(L L L W W):
Freiburg
Hertha
Schalke
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Yeah that's a brilliant result, especially since they essentially used their b-team to achieve it. That's when that investor money finally paid off. None of the other teams down there have a similar squad depth.
I would definitely add Augsburg to the list of teams that should be worried though. That Augsburg vs. Werder game might actually prove to be decisive as both teams could very well lose their other two remaining games.
Since there is still Hertha vs Bielefeld and Hertha vs Cologne to be played, having three points on those teams is probably a deceptively good cushion. Though with Bayern still to play they probably have to get something against Stuttgart or Werder.
And now Aogo is gone, too: https://www.faz.net/aktuell/sport/f...vergasen-nicht-mehr-sky-experte-17330111.html
The whole PC and cancel culture thing gets a bit silly. Thanks USA, I guess? These guys are ex-footballers. Whoever hired them must have known they're not the smartest eggs in the basket... don't be surprised at them saying stupid things.
Either you use „cancel culture“ as a (stupid) buzz word or you don’t understand what happened.
I agree totally but Lehmann isn't really a good example for that. He made a racist comment. Aogo on the other hand... To make a big deal out of it is really over the top. Apologise and move on. As if that was more than a (very) stupid phrase to use and in any way indicative of how he thinks or what kind of person he is (which also sets this case apart from what Lehmann said).
Christ. Imagine suffering through two decades of shit left-backs to lose the first potentially half-decent one to another NT.
Germany has been lacking a proper LB forever as well, but I don't think DFB should go around poaching players from other countries.
I don't know why people underrate Halstenberg. I think he's a really good balanced LB who is having to play at CB for Leipzig because of the formation changes by Nagelsmann.
How is this Sosa guy? Don't follow Stuttgart alot so haven't seen him.
Halstenberg just doesn't seem to have a significant attacking impact.
Sosa plays nasty crosses and has terrific attacking stats. But I don't watch Stuttgart often enough to say whether he's good enough defensively.
Augsburg a bit lucky there not to concede a penalty. I've seen plenty of times that playing the ball doesn't help you if your tackle is too rough.
No Haaland, no CL?
Just getting myself comfy for the comedy.
No Haaland, no CL, no Haaland?
Well.. Schalke fans getting hopeful about something has been a pretty good indicator of the opposite happening lately.
Leipzig playing like a team whose manager is leaving to manage the side who is just above them in the league and soon to be champions.
Hwang finally getting a start! Is he actually any good?
Shouldn't that have been a VAR handball against Kampl? Going elbow first into a shot?!
I can't remember anything to complain about during her active career, but as a VAR there have been some baffling calls from Steinhaus.
I can't remember anything to complain about during her active career, but as a VAR there have been some baffling calls from Steinhaus.
Terrible defending