Who will cost us north of £100m and we will still be several profiles short on defense, midfield and attack. We just need too many players to be committing such funds on a few, Cunha yes, Gyockeres definitely but other than those two we should find more players in the Dorgu fee range.
Geovany Quenda - Summer 2025
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss three 1-1 draws.
The first got us knocked out of the FA Cup, the next puts us in a good position in our Round of 16 Europa League game, and the latest was an actual decent performance against Arsenal at Old Trafford.
All hopes for the season now rest on the Europa League - does Amorim have the squad to win it?
Not true. He's proven himself to be useful not only as an attacking RB, but also as a RM in a 4-4-2 or even RW. He can basically play everything on the right flank. IF anything, he's shown much more than Quenda who almost played his first ever pro season.
I agree.
We could sign Adama Traore on a free contract this summer for right wing back. He's 29 and played in that role for Fulham a lot.
With limited funds we need to prioritise and anything like to numbers spoken about for Quenda are a disqualifier.
Cunha/Gyokeres/Hiujsen all for around 60m would be my summer window and then budget deals like Anguisa/Traore who are clear upgrades on what we have currently.
We can address other areas the next summer.
True, next summer should be about addressing the balance of the team to suit what the manager needs whilst also addressing serious flaws within the team that are dragging us backwards. Get some pace and technical ability in the back line, build up ability in the midfield and some goals upfront.
If we get those signings right it could lead to a 20 or 30 point upward swing which is a good base to build from in 2026. We shouldn't rush to run before we can walk and avoid doing stupid deals like spending £50m on Yoro when the squad is so short in a number of key areas.
I think he’d be a really good signing as could play on both sides and has huge potential. Big issues is the fee, I’d imagine Sporting will want a lot more than the 33-35m fee which is quoted a lot.
We were linked with Wesley Franca and maybe that’s a more realistic signing in terms of price range.
We were linked with Wesley Franca and maybe that’s a more realistic signing in terms of price range.
seriously Traore ? I know we have a terrible team but come on, on what planet does he improve us ? he is the single most overrated player I have ever seen, if he spent as much time training to be a footballer than he does shagging dumbbells he might be alright.
We'll pay £40-50m for Quenda.
He’s always gassed after 30 minutes. He’s got no stamina. I guess that’s why he’s sub more often these days
93rd percentile for progressive carries vs Dalot who is 31st percentile.
3x as many successful take ons as Dalot.
More shot creating actions/assists I could go on and on.
That's how he improves us.
Over and over I see the profile of what we need as a wing back being cited which Traore meets and as I said, he's available on a free.
In a perfect world we could just go and sign the best right wing back in the world but as I said in my post we have limited funds so have to prioritise. In my opinion the priorities for this summer are Striker/Left10/CB/RWB-CM. If we buy Cunha/Gyokeres and Hiujsen all of whom are around 60m that would be our entire budget and we'd even need a sale or two. So we'd need to look for cheap options in other positions and if the next two priorities are RWB and CM then Adama and Anguissa are both available on free transfers and both are better than the options we have thus would improve us.
No, I'm with the other poster on this. The Portuguese league is stronger nowadays. If a player excels in the Portuguese league then you know he's a good player. If a player excels in the Eredivisie it's anyone's guess how he'll perform in a stronger league. The technical players do ok. The players who rely on pace rarely transmit well to the stronger leagues where the baseline is far higher. That doesn't typically seem to be an issue with players from the Portuguese league.
Darwin Núñez and João Félix have been the most notable players from the Portuguese league in recent years. However, both have shown only moderate success in the EPL. In fact, in the last six Champions League finals, there were more players in the match-day squads from the Eredivisie than from the Portuguese league.
How about B. Fernandes, B. Silva, Ruben Dias, Pedro Porro, Diaz, Raphinha. The Portuguese league is definitely better. Just avoid paying those 100m fees and it's mainly good business.
The cold hard fact is the Uefa Coefficient Dutch teams outperformed Portuguese teams in European competitions.
We're talking about how these leagues exports perform in the EPL, I don't know what that has to do with uefa coefficient. I simply mentioned a list of good to great signings from the Portuguese league in recent years.
Cody Gakpo, Ryan Gravenberch, Virgil van Dijk, Jurrien Timber, Micky van de Ven, Nathan Aké.
Bad comparisons to Quenda, as they were much more established and league dominating players before joining the top clubs. Quenda has barely played a full pro season now.
All three of Cunha/Gyokeres/Hiujsen are going to have better options than us on the table sadly.
Plus it's already being made clear that we only have a very small limited budget this summer. We aren't going to be spending 3 x £60 million on players.
Sell to buy isn't necessarily going to leave us with no budget. Sancho 25m, Rashford 40m, possible 20m from Greenwood, potential 25m from Antony(?), maybe the odd youngster / squad player sale too...even on that basis we could have £120m to spend if the stars align. And I suspect it's bullshit too, they'll find a few quid for transfers for the right players. In saying that though, we absolutely should be shopping in the free transfer market now and again. Eriksen wasn't a bad pick up by any means and not long ago we could have had Kamara of Villa on a free for example, who would likely start for us. Players on their last year of their contract too that we could drive a hard bargain for. I've an idea Jonathan David might fall in that category in the summer?
It's not even looking like a sell to buy though. It's more like a sell to pay down debts.
Considering the squad needs a complete overhaul, I'd be amazed if we spend more than £35/40 million on any player this year.
The resaon we are looking at players like Dorgu and Quenda is because the overall transfer fee plus wage package isn't too expensive.
For the likes of Cunha/Gyokeres/Hiujsen the fee plus wages are going to be too much. Plus these players are being tracked by the likes of Madrid, Arsenal and Liverpool.
A lot of fans seem to be living in the past regarding transfers, we aren't going to be going for the very top players because we can't afford or attract them.
Yeah we just aren't an attractive proposition
Fools gold like Dalot. They both look like they’ll be good on paper but in reality, they’re sorely limited because they’re brainless in the pitch.
Traore won’t make it to 90’mins in this system.
But agreed 100%, hope we are looking at out of contract players.
But agreed 100%, hope we are looking at out of contract players.
Frank Anguissa is statistically a top 5 centre mid in Serie A this season is premier league proven and one of the best progressive passers in Europe. Would be a clear upgrade on Eriksen/Casemiro/Mount and he's out of contract.
Jonathan David is another.
No offence but a number of outlets who specialise in football finance have already made very detailed breakdowns on United's finances which you can find online. The consensus is that United would have approximately 120m to spend coming into this year assuming no player sales.
Any claim otherwise needs to be supported with actual evidence and not tabloid headlines.
I've heard the "fans living in the past" every single year and then we sign Yoro when Madrid want him badly.
Christ, where to begin...
Anguissa one of the best progressive passers in Europe? According to what exactly? Because the eye test certainly doesn't say this, and neither do the metrics.
With Traore in your posts before, you're pulling metrics from FBRef presumably but he's played solely as a winger, so it's hard to compare these to other FB's/WB's. What about his defensive stats and passing which you failed to mention? Neither of these are good, plus as others have mentioned he can't play 90 minutes (hence he's often coming off the bench) and his decision-making is woeful.
Jonathan David might be an option but he is not a profile fit for what Amorim would want in a CF judging by how he has used this system in the past at Sporting.
And what is your source for this '£120m' spend available? I'd love to see this, because if you are citing SwissRamble and him mentioning Utd can afford to make a P&L loss of £120m this season and comply with PSR this is a complete misunderstanding of the figures on your part.
Ignore football finance outlets and look at what it actually going on at this club.
We have announced yet more cuts today.
This isn't the sign of a club that has £120 million to spend!
I think RWB is a priority just behind needing a striker. So much would open up having two proper WBs.
He's a good progressive passer when you look at his career and not just Napoli. Even while at Napoli he's not far behind caf darling Ederson who apparently we should be spending 60m on.
https://ibb.co/B5kTsZyP
Have you got any better ideas for midfielders that are clear upgrades on what we have and are available for free?
It's almost impossible to get numbers you can simply map on to a system because very few teams use wingbacks and the majority of players in that position are either fullbacks playing wingback or wingers converted to wing backs.
He's played 90mins the last 3 games in a row and plenty this season, as for passing stats they're always much lower playing for relegation clubs. Van Dijk used to average 40 passes per game at Southampton and that went to 80 as soon as he signed for Liverpool.
You seem to think I'm suggesting we spend big on these players when in reality he earns less than Johnny Evans and is available on a free. Even if he was only available for 50% of the games he'd be an addition since he averages more dribbles/assists than all of our forwards bar Amad.
Swiss Ramble has a new detailed breakdown of United's finances released today.
Yes let's ignore the independent experts who do this for a living and instead base our opinion on what the MaMa red from the Caf says. Sounds like a plan.
I hope we avoid likes of Anguissa and David, they are ok players but free transfers always work out more expensive than people think. They are sort of players we’d want rid of after 12-18 months and I hope we go down the road of a smaller squad with higher potential players than try to bulk it up with quantity.
It’d be different if they were willing to join on 2 year deals on reasonable wages and small signing on fees but that’s not going to happen.
We should be drafting up performance based contracts and not just 3xing a players wages for no reason other than they're signing for United as we did under Woodward and co.
Anguissa is earning 65k week at Napoli, that's on par with Johnny Evans here so we could offer him a 4 year deal at 80k week and unless someone is willing to beat that which I doubt unless it's Saudi then we'd likely get him.
Just don't do any Rashford deals and throw ridiculous money around.
David is still pretty young, you'd be mad to offer him a 2 year deal with no options or you'd be negotiating with him again in no time if he was even passable. It's not like we can afford to be losing players we want to keep at this point, there's only so many youngsters you can play at a time without becoming a nothing club. Nothing wrong with a 3+1 deal for either of those players if the scouts think there's any reasonable chance they could fit in here, particularly up front where the options are so thin they could have modelled for Vogue in the 90s.
You’re not negotiating with him if he isn’t good enough, it’s often a false economy with these free players when you factor in their signing on fees and inflated wages.
It’s better to have players either prove they are worth more or just serve their purpose then be moved on than worry about what might happen if they are good.
We have a tiny, tiny squad of players we actually want to keep, you can't put yourself into gat position, it's just bad business. Plus why would he even accept it, David would get good offers at his age.
It's not my opinion, it's what is being widely reported by all major media outlets. We have enormous debts, we are paying huge amounts of interest, we are making cuts in every single department.
We've already seen it in January, Antony and Rashford sent out on loan and not replaced.
The days of us spending massive money and massive wages are gone. There is a very clear change in strategy.
Van Dijk played more games in Scotland than he did in Holland
Isak, Odegaard, Kerkez, Kluivert, Minteh, Kudus to name a few others.
Forget about it. On no planet are we signing a 29 year old, especially one who was never particularly good in the first place.
Wingers typically start declining after 25-27. Traore and his teammate Robinson are both far too old, especially for a side that's not even close to contending.
Yep. We're going to need to be very smart and pick up some deals like Anguissa & David. I don't know enough to say whether they'd be the individuals to go for but, the cash just isn't going to stretch far enough to buy our preffered options in across the board.
Sorry state this squad is in. Let's just hope the new recruitment lot have their heads screwed on.
Quenda. Just leaving his name here in case like me, you forgot the thread was actually about him.
Yeah. When you check the thread hoping the updates have new info on Quenda and instead you have to wade through discussions on every player but Quenda.