Geovany Quenda - Summer 2025

[golden_blunder]

Adama Traore can’t play more than 20-30 mins ffs. He gets gassed

 

[Tallis]

I think i have come full circle on this signing and think we shouldn't sign him at least this summer. We should let him play another season or two before we sign him. Reasons as follows:

- Other positions should be prioritized first. Get the spine in order before we get the frills. Striker, #10, CM, GK all should be addressed before we write a 50m cheque for a RWB.
- Not sufficiently proven for the price that has been quoted
- If he fails, he will be to Amorim what Antony is to ETH

 

[Xeque_279]

I think i have come full circle on this signing and think we shouldn't sign him at least this summer. We should let him play another season or two before we sign him. Reasons as follows:

- Other positions should be prioritized first. Get the spine in order before we get the frills. Striker, #10, CM, GK all should be addressed before we write a 50m cheque for a RWB.
- Not sufficiently proven for the price that has been quoted
- If he fails, he will be to Amorim what Antony is to ETH

Tbh given how dire our financial situation looks like, have to agree on this. Could be a luxury signing after all our main targets have been captured, if the price gets lowered. But it's too big of a non essential move given the price.
He's a quality player, has the skill and the temperament and he's destined to be top player.

 

[TwoSheds]

Tbh given how dire our financial situation looks like, have to agree on this. Could be a luxury signing after all our main targets have been captured, if the price gets lowered. But it's too big of a non essential move given the price.
He's a quality player, has the skill and the temperament and he's destined to be top player.

If your last sentence is true then he's not a luxury, we need quality players destined for the top as we have very few.

 

[Xeque_279]

If your last sentence is true then he's not a luxury, we need quality players destined for the top as we have very few.

Yes, but we don't have the money for it. Focus on more established players in more needed positions.

 

[The holy trinity 68]

Yes, but we don't have the money for it. Focus on more established players in more needed positions.

Wing back is a much needed position.

 

[Xeque_279]

Wing back is a much needed position.

Yes, but not at 60m.

 

[Tallis]

If your last sentence is true then he's not a luxury, we need quality players destined for the top as we have very few.

Given the current status of our finances and league position, I think we should focus on two types of signing:

1. Decently priced (0-50m) signings of proven players with immediate impact

2. Cheap signings of players (<20m) who are unproven but have potential

There will be a time to send big on players who are unproven but are expensive as they have very high ceilings. I don't think its this summer.

 

[MaMa given red]

I think i have come full circle on this signing and think we shouldn't sign him at least this summer. We should let him play another season or two before we sign him. Reasons as follows:

- Other positions should be prioritized first. Get the spine in order before we get the frills. Striker, #10, CM, GK all should be addressed before we write a 50m cheque for a RWB.
- Not sufficiently proven for the price that has been quoted
- If he fails, he will be to Amorim what Antony is to ETH

Spot on.

It would be madness to add yet another relatively unproven player to Dorgu and Yoro. All three of them may go on to be great players, equally all three may never get to a good enough level. At this point in their career it's impossible to tell.

 

[TwoSheds]

Given the current status of our finances and league position, I think we should focus on two types of signing:

1. Decently priced (0-50m) signings of proven players with immediate impact

2. Cheap signings of players (<20m) who are unproven but have potential

There will be a time to send big on players who are unproven but are expensive as they have very high ceilings. I don't think its this summer.

Perhaps but we should have enough for e.g. Quenda, a decent established forward of some kind, and a few cheap / free hole fillers/punts, particularly if Garnacho leaves. The youth team is actually very good too so I agree a bit of experience wouldn't be a bad thing but I don't think we need 4 or 5 experienced players, 2 or 3 of the right profiles would be enough to help the young ones come on.

 

[bosskeano]

I think i have come full circle on this signing and think we shouldn't sign him at least this summer. We should let him play another season or two before we sign him. Reasons as follows:

- Other positions should be prioritized first. Get the spine in order before we get the frills. Striker, #10, CM, GK all should be addressed before we write a 50m cheque for a RWB.
- Not sufficiently proven for the price that has been quoted
- If he fails, he will be to Amorim what Antony is to ETH

Tbh given how dire our financial situation looks like, have to agree on this. Could be a luxury signing after all our main targets have been captured, if the price gets lowered. But it's too big of a non essential move given the price.
He's a quality player, has the skill and the temperament and he's destined to be top player.

so completely wrong....his position is a priority in this system as much as the striker position simply b/c he has to provide the width in order to open the middle for the two ACM's but also the legs to get back and defend. these wing back positions are absolute keys to playing this system

just go back to any match thread and look at the complaints about when we had maz and dalot or malacia out there ....where they couldn't beat a player off the dribble nor support the attack so attacks would sputter out or be to centralized.

 

[golden_blunder]

Him on one side and Dorgu on the other would make a big difference going forward.
Plus this chap will be snapped up by someone else unless we at least put a deposit down on him

 

[prateik]

So how do we line up if we get him?
Dorgu, Garnacho on the left, Quenda, Amad on the right ? or is Garnacho leaving?

 

[TwoSheds]

So how do we line up if we get him?
Dorgu, Garnacho on the left, Quenda, Amad on the right ? or is Garnacho leaving?

It does feel a bit like Garnacho might go still.

 

[red_de_pologne]

Spot on.

It would be madness to add yet another relatively unproven player to Dorgu and Yoro. All three of them may go on to be great players, equally all three may never get to a good enough level. At this point in their career it's impossible to tell.

I think with Yoro it’s quite evident he will become a top top player

 

[Trex]

So how do we line up if we get him?
Dorgu, Garnacho on the left, Quenda, Amad on the right ? or is Garnacho leaving?

I don't think the idea is for Garnacho to be starting. We will replace Rashford surely we tried Tels. I assume that player will be the starting Left attacking midfielder.
And it's beginning to fill like Garnacho wouldn't be here much longer.

 

[Trex]

I think with Yoro it’s quite evident he will become a top top player

Yeah I think that's the idea with Ineos. The plan is to find young players with the potential to be world class because we can't buy actual world class players. You're aren't winning anything really without a really great group of players. Hence Yoro, Quenda and also younger and relatively unproven guys like Kone, Obi, Leon.
They won't all be great but that's the idea.

 

[AR87]

Yeah I think that's the idea with Ineos. The plan is to find young players with the potential to be world class because we can't buy actual world class players. You're aren't winning anything really without a really great group of players. Hence Yoro, Quenda and also younger and relatively unproven guys like Kone, Obi, Leon.
They won't all be great but that's the idea.

They're also stronger physical profiles that should be able to raise the athletic profile of the squad to match up in the Prem, something which we have really neglected in our recruitment for a long period of time.

 

[Rasmus_9]

I fail to believe that anybody that has watched Dalot’s performances this season would think that Quenda isn’t an essential signing. Amorim’s system lives or dies by its wing backs. Get those right and the rest should follow!

 

[Bojan Djordjic]

I hope we avoid likes of Anguissa and David, they are ok players but free transfers always work out more expensive than people think. They are sort of players we’d want rid of after 12-18 months and I hope we go down the road of a smaller squad with higher potential players than try to bulk it up with quantity.

It’d be different if they were willing to join on 2 year deals on reasonable wages and small signing on fees but that’s not going to happen.

Nah, David is a solid pro and much better than what we have. If we can get him on a decent squad player salary, its a no brainer for me. Wouldn't break the bank though as I wouldnt envision him being the long term starter for us.

Would have loved Zambo when he left Fulham but feel like he could become dead weight within a few seasons so probably not what we want right now.

 

[Adnan]

They're also stronger physical profiles that should be able to raise the athletic profile of the squad to match up in the Prem, something which we have really neglected in our recruitment for a long period of time.

The physical and athletic profile has to be raised significantly in the CB and deeper midfield positions for the team to make a big improvement going forward.

You can compromise on physicality and athleticism in certain positions but you won't get away with a lack of pace, power and athleticism in the central areas of the pitch which are occupied by the CBs and midfielders.

Those central areas are absolutely crucial to how the game is controlled and contained in and out of possession.

 

[Bojan Djordjic]

We may have done well with players like this in the past but that was when adding them to a top team with lot's of experienced players around them. If we try and build a team around the likes of Quenda, Yoro and Dorgu next saeson we'll be in a relegation battle.

We need players that are ready to play at this level now. Ideally around the 22 to 24 age bracket.

Sorry but Yoro and Dorgu have been two of our most impressive players in recent games despite Dorgu's hiccups against Ipswich (which I'd have some sympathy with him over). Yoro has been great at injecting urgency from defence and Dorgu just looks so smart on the ball and is clearly well adapted to the league physically.

 

[Trex]

They're also stronger physical profiles that should be able to raise the athletic profile of the squad to match up in the Prem, something which we have really neglected in our recruitment for a long period of time.

Yeah now you mentioned it i see that we're actually doing that as well, younger players but the sort who won't find the EPL too physical. That's something they're actually putting into consideration.
INEOS get a lot of stick but I feel their ideas regarding recruitment is a sustainable one. Buy them young, if they turn out good enough, great. If they don't sell for a profit, that way it's still a win.
Of course Yoro wasn't cheap, and neither will Quenda but those I think they're willing to take more risk on.

 

[dubplate warrior]

The physical and athletic profile has to be raised significantly in the CB and deeper midfield positions for the team to make a big improvement going forward.

You can compromise on physicality and athleticism in certain positions but you won't get away with a lack of pace, power and athleticism in the central areas of the pitch which are occupied by the CBs and midfielders.

Those central areas are absolutely crucial to how the game is controlled and contained in and out of possession.

I'd also say they need to improve at progressing play, particularly in the middle.

 

[Adnan]

I fail to believe that anybody that has watched Dalot’s performances this season would think that Quenda isn’t an essential signing. Amorim’s system lives or dies by its wing backs. Get those right and the rest should follow!

Amorim's system doesn't live or die by it's wingbacks. The system he adopts is a familiar one which relies heavily on the CBs and deeper midfielders to progress the ball in possession and with the same players also being pivotal in how the game is controlled in large spaces in a higher line.

When you achieve the aforementioned tasks as a team then that provides the more advanced attackers a strong platform to thrive in their positions further up the pitch.

 

[Adnan]

I'd also say they need to improve at progressing play, particularly in the middle.

Agreed.

 

[Trex]

Amorim's system doesn't live or die by it's wingbacks. The system he adopts is a familiar one which relies heavily on the CBs and deeper midfielders to progress the ball in possession and with the same players also being pivotal in how the game is controlled in large spaces in a higher line.

When you achieve the aforementioned tasks as a team then that provides the more advanced attackers a strong platform to thrive in their positions further up the pitch.

I think it's more the wide center backs than the midfielders especially. I think Yoro and Martinez do this role very well from the left. And Mazraoui from the right has potential. I don't like De ligt's lack of penetrative passes or carries. He should be competing for the central role along with Maguire.

 

[bond19821982]

Dorgu - Heaven - Maguire - Yoro - Quenda

Will probably be our defence.

Pretty sure we will add a strong physical midfielder to partner Ugarte and a striker .

 

[Trex]

Dorgu - Heaven - Maguire - Yoro - Quenda

Will probably be our defence.

Pretty sure we will add a strong physical midfielder to partner Ugarte and a striker .

Take Heaven out, add Maz to the right and Yoro to the left.

 

[Remember the geese]

Dorgu - Heaven - Maguire - Yoro - Quenda

Will probably be our defence.

Pretty sure we will add a strong physical midfielder to partner Ugarte and a striker .

Heaven isn't anywhere near ready.

 

[Tallis]

so completely wrong....his position is a priority in this system as much as the striker position simply b/c he has to provide the width in order to open the middle for the two ACM's but also the legs to get back and defend. these wing back positions are absolute keys to playing this system

just go back to any match thread and look at the complaints about when we had maz and dalot or malacia out there ....where they couldn't beat a player off the dribble nor support the attack so attacks would sputter out or be to centralized.

I believe you may not have understood my post as the response only addresses part of what I wrote yet you deem the post to be “completely wrong”. Even the part which is addressed is not understood in the context of which it was written. No one is saying that Wing back is not an important position but blowing 50m on a 17 year old with 7 goal involvements in 30 odd games in the Portuguese league doesn’t seem the most prudent.

 

[Adnan]

I think it's more the wide center backs than the midfielders especially. I think Yoro and Martinez do this role very well from the left. And Mazraoui from the right has potential. I don't like De ligt's lack of penetrative passes or carries. He should be competing for the central role along with Maguire.

I think in the EPL it's extremely important to have CBs who can thread the lines and also contain the game against the transition in a higher line. We lack slightly in those aspects currently and a new CB who fits the above criteria should be bought.

I also think the system requires midfielders who can provide the same qualities with and without the ball. I think you can get away with it somewhat in Portugal but in the EPL not so much. And if you look at the team he (Amorim) had at SCP, his first line was very strong per the standard of the league with players like Diomande, Debast and Inacio. But he also had a regular pivot in deeper midfied who they could rely on in possession as well as the player being a strong defensive shield without the ball in Hjulmand.

 

[Tallis]

I fail to believe that anybody that has watched Dalot’s performances this season would think that Quenda isn’t an essential signing. Amorim’s system lives or dies by its wing backs. Get those right and the rest should follow!

Yes, but surely Quenda is not the only alternative to Dalot. We should easily be able to buy a proven LWB for under 40m and move Dorgu to RWB. We don’t have to spend 50m on a talented but very unproven player.

 

[Remember the geese]

Yes, but surely Quenda is not the only alternative to Dalot. We should easily be able to buy a proven LWB for under 40m and move Dorgu to RWB. We don’t have to spend 50m on a talented but very unproven player.

Quenda is miles better than Dorgu as a right wing-back though.

 

[Tallis]

Quenda is miles better than Dorgu as a right wing-back though.

Both have very similar numbers though - goal involvements or underlying stats. In our current situation, saving some money plus having a slightly older and experienced player can be quite useful.

Not to mention if Quenda doesn’t perform straight away. We will have a tirade of abuse of how we wasted 50m on someone unproven kid.

 

[Trex]

Both have very similar numbers though - goal involvements or underlying stats. In our current situation, saving some money plus having a slightly older and experienced player can be quite useful.

Not to mention if Quenda doesn’t perform straight away. We will have a tirade of abuse of how we wasted 50m on someone unproven kid.

You're thinking short term.

 

[Tallis]

You're thinking short term.

Ok, thanks.

 

[bosskeano]

I believe you may not have understood my post as the response only addresses part of what I wrote yet you deem the post to be “completely wrong”. Even the part which is addressed is not understood in the context of which it was written. No one is saying that Wing back is not an important position but blowing 50m on a 17 year old with 7 goal involvements in 30 odd games in the Portuguese league doesn’t seem the most prudent.

no...yes i understand the premise wiht a 17 yr old and the money. it's crazy how much even kids cost now

what is was implying is that those two wing back spots are crazy overlooked by people iwth the importance those roles play in that 3421 system...IMO, arguably the two most important in that system bc of the demand put on them

 

[Remember the geese]

Both have very similar numbers though - goal involvements or underlying stats. In our current situation, saving some money plus having a slightly older and experienced player can be quite useful.

Not to mention if Quenda doesn’t perform straight away. We will have a tirade of abuse of how we wasted 50m on someone unproven kid.

I don't believe there is a realistic, experienced, left back/left wing-back out there who is both cheaper and a better performer currently or potentially than what Quenda is on the opposite side.

He's a really big talent, similar to what Yoro is. I might have missed it, but I'm not sure there has been a tirade of abuse surrounding Yoro's performances.

 

[RedSky]

Tell me this is a kid we shouldn't be signing. He's everything we need down the right side. Trickery, pace, able to beat a man easily. His end product might not be there yet, but he's 17 and to be fair if you watch that video he does actually put in some great balls and crosses.