Geovany Quenda - Summer 2025
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Hopefully it's because we are operating like the g in lasagna.Yeah. When you check the thread hoping the updates have new info on Quenda and instead you have to wade through discussions on every player but Quenda.
Again where is this mysterious confirmation that United can spend £120m in the transfer market in the summer? I've read the new article and there is nothing in here either. Where are you getting this number from?
this kid is light years ahead of Dalot in the attacking part of their two games
even before any sales and without european football united can spend £80m this summer
Swiss Ramble estimated a 120m in pre tax loss allowable for PSR and be fine for next season. There's a number of variables which we don't know yet such as will United make champions league via Europa league or have any european football at all? But if the owners are willing to cover the cash shortfall (Ratcliffe injected 80m already) along with the money available on the revolving credit facility then we can comfortably afford to spend 1-150m in the summer.
However what I think is the most likely to happen is Ratcliffe won't inject more cash unless he receives an equal amount of shares/equity in ownership in exchange and some reports are that Glazers don't want to give up more but this is another variable we just don't know. Fans putting pressure on Glazers to sell can only be a good thing in this respect.
The noises from United such as we have to sell in order to buy seems consistent with the reports that Glazers won't give up equity in exchange for Ratcliffe injecting more cash.
In this scenario you have the revolving credit facility + limited funds so we really would be relying on sales because again I doubt the Glazers would be willing to sanction any significant increases to that facility without major sales first. Ratcliffe might have control over sports operations but he doesn't get a blank chequebook.
There's alot of moving parts but in theory United could be anywhere between 50m from revolving credit facility along with player sales at the lower end to having 200m+ available should the Glazers agree to give up equity for cash injection and sanction more transfer debt with the same facility.
Now it makes sense why we are going for a RWB, when Amad already plays there.
This is a agent driven transfer, like its always the case with United.
First, we need more than one RWB, second Amad is an attacking midfielder first and foremost.
Amad also plays as one of the #10's, and longterm is likely seen more in that role.
One of the biggest transfer priorities (arguably the second biggest after striker) is for whichever role Amad isn't in. If he's a #10, then we desperately need a RWB. If he's a RWB then we desperately need a right sided #10. In a perfect world we'd get a player who, like Amad, can play both roles which would allow a lot of interchanging and rotation.
Nope.
So we should have only one player be competent in a position? Also Amad is an attacker, he won't be RWB long term and shouldn't be either
We need athletes. This dude is an athlete and he makes things happen. I think he's the best Portuguese winger in years and we've done quite well with them in the past (Bebe aside) It's a shame we missed out on neves and nuno mendes but it is what it is. I hope we don't miss out on this lad too
This doesn't mean United can spend £120m, as I suspected you've claimed this and said 'anything anyone says to contrary is rubbish without evidence', yet it's clear that your own post is based upon a complete misunderstanding of what this number actually means.
Owners cannot simply pump money into the club, this is exactly what PSR is there to prevent. Will it help United's cashflow position? Sure. Does it increase there ability to spend? Unfortunately not.
Again, what is the source for this? We don't have a clear picture on United's 2024/25 finances yet as we have only seen H1 but the numbers don't look good. How are you assessing that they can spend £80m without any sales when it was clearly a case of players needing to leave to fund any moves in the January window?
4 dribbles, 3 tackles and one assist tonight.
4 dribbles would be more than any United winger makes.
As I suspected you don't know how football finance works.
The cash flow position does allow them to increase ability to spend because bills actually need to be paid and if you aren't using free cash flow you're using debt.
So Ratcliffe can put money into the club and that cashflow can be used Interest/exceptional items/infrastrucutre etc.
"After adding back £111m non-cash items, offset by £104m adverse working capital movements, United had a £33m operating cash outflow in H1, This was boosted by £39m from player sales, but the club then spent £204m on player purchases, invested £17m in infrastructure and paid £17m interest.
This produced the £231m cash outflow before financing, which was funded by a net £180m drawdown from the revolving debt facility and £80m capital from Ratcliffe. As a result, the net cash inflow was £28m, offset by a £6m exchange rate movement, giving the £22m increase in the cash balance.
Put another way, the huge transfer spend has only been possible by first eating into the cash reserves, then making drawdowns from the club’s credit facilities and finally by money from the new shareholder."
You’re on your own there I’d say or else you’re a WUM , no one else will even mention him as an option. Go over to the Traore thread instead of derailing this one.
Everytime Amad has played as a #10 in this system he has struggled. He has looked much better out on the right, where he gets more space. Forget positions, both Quenda and Amad are similar profile of players. Left footed players who like to cut in, having both of them on our right side would make our play very predictable.
Rather than getting this 17 yr old kid just because Amorim used him before, we should focus on bigger priorities. I know he is the new shiny toy, but we made the same mistake with Mount, where we got a #10 instead of a #8, and then tried doing mental gymnastics about why it made sense. When it never did.
I'd much rather have Bruno and Amad on the right, and two new players on the left(say Cunha and Kerkez). When we are broke af, it makes much more sense than stockpiling right wingers.
He's Antony's replacement. The way I see it Amorim's initially wanted Amad and Antony as the two options for the right wingback roles.
Amad only started playing centrally when Rashford got dropped so I think when we replace Rashford Amad will play Right wingback more often again. I don't think Quenda coming here he'll always start.
Considering our finances, we should first target starters, before trying to strengthen our squad.
Anyway my bigger point was about how we always tend to go for players which agents push, rather than trying to find right profiles. Lets not pretend that hasnt been a problem. I guess those deals are easier to complete, but we always tend to do these shady Mendes deals(Yoro, Ugarte, Neves), and we even had the SEG thing with Ten Hag where we kept buying those players.
We need more than one competent left footed right winger. Also think we have a bigger summer budget than many believe.
No, Quenda is our summer budget. The rest is solely based on sales.
No, we can afford a striker too.
It feels pretty risky to put a good chunk of any transfer budget on a 17 year old that's got one season in Portugal under his belt. It's far too small a sample size.
Signing the new managers old players why have we never tried this before
considering hes one of the most rated youngsters in world football and a player whos been scouted for years its not that much of a risk. Our manager is literally the man who gave him his first team debut and would know him better than anyone.
buys like this an Yoro are the type of buys United have always done well with
No one want to point out that Amad being injured again means we will need someone regardless? He missed a load of games through injury last season and a load of games this season.
You think we have a decent budget?
OK.
Plus he'll miss games because of the AFCON next season too.
If only we did it with Haland.
Touche
Considerably more than 50m, yes
Amad has had good games at #10. It's also noteworthy that there have been a couple of times where he was having a quiet game, then we subbed Antony on at RWB behind him and Amad instantly started playing better and the two of them combined well. Which makes sense since when he's had Dalot or especially Mazraoui behind him he basically has to do everything himself and the defenders can double up on him. When the wingback is getting forward properly and the two of them can combine, it opens up more space and he can get 1v1 more often.
I don`t think we should interpret the transfer failures under ten hag as we should never ever add a player that the manager knows. We should interpret it as we HAVE to listen to the scouting dept regarding new additions. Quenda is quite clearly a highly rated young talent.
I seriously doubt our scouts had a strong voice in us wasting £130m on rather average players like Mount and Antony.
It's a massive risk! He's a 17 year old with less than 40 competitive games to his name. There are absolutely loads of examples of players that look very talented at this point in their career and go on to do very little.
We may have done well with players like this in the past but that was when adding them to a top team with lot's of experienced players around them. If we try and build a team around the likes of Quenda, Yoro and Dorgu next saeson we'll be in a relegation battle.
We need players that are ready to play at this level now. Ideally around the 22 to 24 age bracket.
Adama Traore who can't get a regular spot in any team he's been to! We do get some gems on this forum!
Ratcliffe cannot inject more money into the transfer fund. He has already injected the maximum allowed under PSR for a 3 year period
Whatever we spend will primarily come from sales and saving wages