Boringly typical.
Geovany Quenda - Summer 2025
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I doubt that very much. Amorim likes wingers/wingbacks who can dove tail with each other if employed together. Quenda would pretty much be Amad 2.0. Able to be adept at RWB and R10.
Which would free Mazroui to share rcb with Yoro.
I haven't made up the fee...it has been reported in the media regardless of the credibility and it would probably be less than what we actually would pay given it would be built up over now to the summer.
He has played LWB as I am sure any predominately left footed player could.
Martinez a success?....watch the games mate.
Do you understand the meaning of step up in intensity and functioning at the same level?
Watching him play in a weaker league and standing out is impressive but that is all it is.
I think, thats making it look a little clearer than it actually is. I mean, every transfer can turn out a flop. We all know that. I agree with you, that alone shouldn't stop us from attempting transfers. But we also should be smart about it - there aren't too many transfers in our recent history, that had warning signs all over them right from the start, they all made some sense, they all had potential and so on. Of course, without the slightest chance of a transfer coming good nobody would try it - but we have a history of promising players failing for us so we simply have to be extra sure not to get blinded by sheer optimism. Everything you said about the player is true, and with Prices until 35 million mark, it is a different proposition, but given that we have limited resources, everything more than that we have to do our homework. With 18 the player hasn't even finished his body transformation yet. He is by definition inexperienced and raw. A big price tag will add additional pressure. Same as playing in a, status quo, rather dysfunctional team in a high pressure environment. He would also be changing countries with all challenges that come with it. So lets not act as if this would be some sort of no-brainer. We have quite a few young and promising players in our team, I think, you could make a good claim to focus on players that will help us from the start and aren't expected to take extra time to bed in. Buying promising 17 year olds is the right thing to do, no doubt about that - but we don't have to let ourselves get dragged into chasing the "best 17 year olds at the minute" when it means that we have to pay big amounts for players who aren't expected to contribute to that level yet. Young players need playing time to come good, are we a good enough team to afford them that time to develop without endangering results on the pitch? I'd say no.Yeah but one player flopped in completely different circumstances so how can we ever sign a player again
The key to better recruiting isn't just identification of talent. It is also about squad composition. If we have 50 million (I know probably not the right number) laying around with no use, spending it on potential world class talent is the right thing to do. But I am pretty sure we agree that there isn't much indicating that we have such amounts laying around with no use given that the team isn't really in good shape right now.
I haven't followed the whole debate but I can see your points. I kind of like that people keep their optimism and enthusiasm for promising players intact and good for them. But over the years we have been burned a few times. Hojlund was also one of the best striker talents in Europe, Sancho was meant to "take over RW for the next 10 years". It is the right thing to buy promising potential - we just have to make sure, we strike the right balance between potential and price. Because price is, what is now making transfers of Hojlund and Sancho look bad.
The irony of this.
No worries mate,
I often check out YouTube as well.
I'm getting old-man-yells-at-clouds feelings from this.
Nicely put
I am sure that would cause no offence to anyone which was exactly my intention but some just love the drama!
If you can't get excited by a hot young talent (potentially) joining the team there's something wrong with you
Anthony did not convince me one bit and his signing was baffling, you could clearly see he lacked pace and physicality. Donny VDB also. ETH bought these players and stopped playing them.
Ruben is buying young players who meet his profile and Quenda also understands his system. He will mold them further. Ruben said when he joined, they will look at everything about a player in the recruitment aspect, including mentality.
Biggest difference between this manager and ETH is everything fans see and even complain about he addresses. He clocks players very quickly and everything he says makes sense.
ETH just waffles about a fabled process and his post match assessment was a solar system away from what fans saw. If Ruben is buying a player he already worked with, it is good, many managers who change a system use players who already know the system and build form there.
The price wasn't £50m as the unreliable Abola reported, it's less than that, Ornstien who is Tier 1 said €40m so it is around £33m, name any wingback who is more established we can buy for that price who is proven?
When we over pay fans complain and now we are doing good deals, we still complain. For reference Diallo was even more unknown before we paid a similar amount.
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That's probably your issue. You should watch games in full.
In all human endeavors there are just some people who «have it». Actors, business people, musicians, artists, athletes.
Whatever it is, both these guys have it. Would love Quenda at Utd.! Always a shame to see great teams (like what Sporting have now) be disassembled though, hope that’s not what’s going to happen.
What’s the feeling among Sporting fans at the moment with Amorim leaving and bunch of rumours about their top players?
We paid 18mil for Amad and Lenny was bought before Ruben came.
I will ask you this question first and I am sure all the other posters will chip in afterwards?
If the young man in question has a decent remainder of the season with Sporting and given the history of transfer fees regarding players leaving Portuguese clubs and we are in the bidding...what price will we be quoted for him in the summer?
I already know but I will find the replies amusing to say the least.
Arguing like a child
What do you suggest...phone or Ipad?
Really odd.
Just gonna bold these bits for no reason whatsoever.
I think ETH did a lot of things right in his treatment of players. He handled both Ronaldo and Sancho very well, one could maybe argue that he was too soft overall and didn’t have the charisma to get the players buy-in.
Big problem with him was he just couldn’t make the tactics work, like at all. No semblance of control. I think he needed to get the players to have that passion and willingness to die for each other in the press and recovery runs to make his system work and no one ever bought it. We played well when we were more conservative and tighter in midfield against stronger teams, but it just wasn’t sustainable without die-for-the-badge running machines all over the pitch. Can’t achieve that with the likes of Rashford, Ronaldo and Sancho on the team.
All systems require buy-in from the players, but ETHs more than most. When it became clear he wouldn’t get that it all fell apart. We shouldn’t have persisted with him as long as we did. But he’s going to get very good results again elsewhere at some point, I feel confident about that.
To be fair. Quenda would be one of the right players to sign for that role. IMO him or Frimpong of Lever should be targets
Incorrect:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/55579861
He signed for £19.2 plus £18m addons, that's £37.2m. Why are we assuming the quoted £33m value is not built up of add-ons like the Diallo deal.
Also if we are negotiating with Sporting now it will be with the intention of locking in a fee. You don't negotiate a price and change it 6 months later.
Our transfer dealing and contract re-negotiations have become very good since Berrada and Co joined, and City did similar deals in the past. So they know what they are doing.
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Just to add your assessment, where he also messed up was with going hard on Sancho but letting Rashford get away with things. When you don't treat players equally for similar things, it is downhill from there. That's why I like Ruben, dropped Garnacho and Rashford, one player changed and is back in the team and one is sulking and out of the team struggling to find a loan. How bad can it get when Anthony bags a loan weeks ago and you don't.
And you don't think, that might have been also connected by those players simply not getting used to the league or anything?
Same here. Sounds good as a marketing trick but the proposition is exactly the same one as with ETH back when it happened. With him we were also expecting a system to emerge. And that the player he went for would be key pieces for this exact system. It is also funny that you expect Ruben to go for a like for like imitation of his Sporting system when most managers when asked will tell you that adaptability is the key ingredient to being successful.
It is all good and well and obviously Ruben should be backed to bring in players that fit the system but stuff has to remain reasonable. Had we brought in Antony for 25-35 he wouldn't be looked at with so much anger right now.
I'd say biggest difference right now is you applying the comfort of hindsight towards ETH and being hopeful and optimistic towards Ruben. There was a time people were hopeful and optimistic towards ETH as well. Still led to bad decisions.
Thats funny to be honest. Once again, hindsight at full force.
The price is one of the corner stones of this transfer in terms of risk assessment. Nobody don't want the club to bring in talented young player with great potential. But the reality is that not all young players will realize that potential and given that we have limited ressources AND a squad that isn't great we can't just think that the same rules apply to us and maybe Bayern or Real. In our situation it might make more sense to bring in two 25 million players who will give you reliable 6.0-6.5/10 performances in key roles than one great talent who might be able to give you 8.0/10s here and there but only further down the line.
I tried to help him @Solius
You haven't watched him play. Until then your opinion doesn't really accout. For much, especially given you didn't even know his position or the price quoted.
Painful stuff lad.
We are at peace. It's an end of a cycle and if we win two leagues in a row it's unfair to keep players shackled when they reached full potencial at our club and league. We respect and appreciate what Gyökeres, Diomande and Hjulmand for example have done for our club, so understand if they move to a top league like the PL.
New manager deserves to build his own culture and begin a new cycle with players he trusts.
The same doesn't apply, as ETH was bought in to play the Ajax way and he abandoned that after a few games. Papered over the cracks for the first year and then when he tried to change things went downhill quick and had spent circa 600m.
Ruben has stuck to his system day one, we have seen it work against city in the CL and even with this hodge podge of (other managers players), against the big teams. We are no longer a counter attacking team and we notice improvements as he gets more time to train with them.
All this with him coming in mid-season during our most congested fixture period. Why is £33m too expensive for a player of his quality, he is playing good in his league and proving himself in Europe too. Players like Nuno Mendes have left similar leagues and doing good at PSG and in CL.
Nani, Bruno and Ronaldo came from the same league. Why are fans stressing over £33m which will include add-ons?
@Sly @Sporting CP Fan Do you believe the reports are true? And how highly do you rate Quenda’s talent? He looks quite special.
People posting in here with a clear aquenda.
Portuguese press jumping the gun as usual, I highly doubt a deal is anywhere near close to being agreed.
I believe that the deal hasn't been done yet. It's just exploratory talks. I also believe that this must be an express wish of Amorim since he knows him well in terms of ability and potential. I maintain that I think this will be the only player Amorim will get from Sporting (sry no Gyökeres gents). Only my opinion and speculation of course.
Regarding Quenda I wrote this in another thread:
"What I like in Quenda is his physical traits, technical ability, tactical awareness and football intelligence , passing (look at some of his assists, specially his assist for Gyokeres goal against Citeh in the CL) and versatility since he can play multiple positions. Coaches like his humility and personality. His work rate and ethics is Ronaldo like. He gave up two weeks in his vacation so he would be ready for this season. He's obsessed with football and being a top football player. Although he earns very well now, he still lives at our academy with the youth ranks from our academy.
He can play as right wing back and RW or LW. He's very quick and can maintain ball control dribbling at speed. He can play in tight spaces, looking for quick passes and one twos so the team can break defensive lines. His movement is very intelligent, very direct with confidence.
What he has to work in? He has to work on his decision making and finishing but that's expected in 17 year old. In the final third he needs to improve his decisions and final pass. He needs to mix it up in his dribbling as well. He is always trying to cut inside to use his stronger left foot. Although he can shoot and cross with his right foot, it can make him predictable.
Defensively he needs to improve as well. He needs to be more incisive, following his player because Amorim likes high pressure without the ball. He's getting good advices and help from Inácio, Hjulmand and Daniel Bragança, so he's gradually getting better.
Obviously with 17 years of age, he's still work in progress. But I'm almost certain he will be a top player. His ability and mentality will drive him to a successful career. We have produced alot of exciting players in our academy, Ronaldo, Figo, Rafael Leão and many others and he's up there with the very best. Even those weren't as impressive as Quenda at 17 years of age career wise and in terms of accomplishments."
This level of 1 dimensional thinking always takes me by surprised.
If you have a car crash on a Wednesday, do you then avoid driving on Wednesdays because in your head it's happened before and therefore will happen again?
Crazy how prevalent it is amongst football fans.
Thing is with United is we have to get back to 'If you good enough, you are old enough'. Instead of sticking with somebody who is not delivering because he is older so must be better.
He's been on the radar before even INEOS arrived.
Like the sound of him, prioritising his career. Imagine shaw or Rashford giving up their holidays
You make some good points which I agree with.
People keep talking about the system but the system Amorim implements is the same as many other head coaches around Europe. The only difference at United currently is that since he's come in he's changed the formation and instead of using wingers/wide forwards to stretch the pitch, he's going to utilise the wingbacks to replicate what the wingers/wide forwards would've been asked to do. I would hope that change doesn't back fire on us in the longterm incase we have to change the head coach. Someone like Quenda looks to be talented enough to adapt as both a winger or wingback and Dorgu I'm not sure has the game to be a good enough winger in a team that aims to compete at the very top of the game and his weaker foot needs improvement.
The system itself currently looks to be gearing up towards a more direct game with the backline being heavily relied upon for progression. The signing of Ugarte hasn't rectified the midfield issues after the departure of Fred and we're still a team that doesn't have the personnel in deeper midfield who can be relied upon to progress the ball in the build up phase to a good enough level against the very best teams. Hence we're still getting our best results against the top teams by waiting for them to come to us whilst we sit compact in a deeper block. Unless someone from the youth team emerges or we buy a metronome in midfield to pull the strings and set the tempo, the way they're building the team looks as if we're going to be going direct with the midfield two being repellers out of possession and the backline still being the main supply line for progression.
Makes sense
All the Portuguese scouts and journos have all raved over him as the next big thing out of Portugal recently well before Amorim joined
Plenty of clubs were following him already. For example today Record newspaper is saying that City and Liverpool are also interested in him.
https://www.record.pt/futebol/futeb...o-jovem-leao?ref=Sporting_DestaquesPrincipais
ETH was not at the club when Utd signed DVDB.
Is this lad the real deal or another Renato Sanches?