Geovany Quenda - Summer 2025

Kweku Amonoo said:
He’s not a 50m talent, tbh. At least not in that performance and the few others that I’ve seen. He’s not going to bring any significant improvement to the team, and we’d just be spending 50m just because we can.

We’re better spending it on central midfielders who can dictate play, and possibly a striker.
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Feels like the type we should be adding after addressing problem areas.
 
flappyjay said:
Feels like the type we should be adding after addressing problem areas.
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Bit baffled by the implication that wing back is not a problem area. We have looked desperately short there. Now that Dorgu has been signed we have maybe two players who can play in this position. Selecting full backs who are incapable of attacking for the wing back roles has made our football utterly turgid and toothless, and we can't rely on Amad and Dorgu playing every game.
 
witchtrials said:
Bit baffled by the implication that wing back is not a problem area. We have looked desperately short there. Now that Dorgu has been signed we have maybe two players who can play in this position. Selecting full backs who are incapable of attacking for the wing back roles has made our football utterly turgid and toothless, and we can't rely on Amad and Dorgu playing every game.
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Dalot and Mazraoui are serviceable. We need midfielders to help control matches and create chances and a striker that can get to the end of those chances. That will take us a lot further than any fullback unless said fullback is as productive as Trent or Hakimi.
 
flappyjay said:
Dalot and Mazraoui are serviceable. We need midfielders to help control matches and create chances and a striker that can get to the end of those chances. That will take us a lot further than any fullback unless said fullback is as productive as Trent or Hakimi.
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Dalot and Mazraoui absolutely are not serviceable. The only one who can play the role to a decent standard is Amad and potentially, Dorgu.
 
flappyjay said:
Dalot and Mazraoui are serviceable. We need midfielders to help control matches and create chances and a striker that can get to the end of those chances. That will take us a lot further than any fullback unless said fullback is as productive as Trent or Hakimi.
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But they are not providing enough penetration. We will not control games or create chances without an infusion of purposeful running.

That said, I'm not sure Quenda is a particularly obvious solution in that sense.
 
Remember the geese said:
Dalot and Mazraoui absolutely are not serviceable. The only one who can play the role to a decent standard is Amad and potentially, Dorgu.
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Their miles more serviceable than whatever we are doing in attack. We can get away with Mazraoui or Dalot at wing back. As shown by this season you arent getting away with a weak midfield and attack.
 
flappyjay said:
Their miles more serviceable than whatever we are doing in attack. We can get away with Mazraoui or Dalot at wing back. As shown by this season you arent getting away with a weak midfield and attack.
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We can't. Just because the attack is shite, doesn't make the wing-backs ok. We need both. Mazraoui and Dalot could potentially be back ups, but even then, Mazraoui looks more comfortable as one of the three centre backs. We need actual attacking players at wing-back. It makes or breaks the system.
 
Don't do it United. Don't make the same mistakes. This team doesn't need more expensive teenagers with a couple of goals to their name. £50 million is nuts.
 
Gordon S said:
What mistakes are you refering to?
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Spending big money on players who've barely kicked a ball. Unproven players. Players too young or too old. Signing anythjng but players in or near their prime. I get planning for the future but this manager and this club badly need players who are ready now.
 
Marwood said:
Spending big money on players who've barely kicked a ball. Unproven players. Players too young or too old. Signing anythjng but players in or near their prime. I get planning for the future but this manager and this club badly need players who are ready now.
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Quenda is one of Sportings best players already. And he looks like a really good option for our wingback positions already now.
 
Marwood said:
Spending big money on players who've barely kicked a ball. Unproven players. Players too young or too old. Signing anythjng but players in or near their prime. I get planning for the future but this manager and this club badly need players who are ready now.
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You're not wrong, but it's going to be hard to sign players like that when we can't offer UCL football. Hell, we most likely won't be able to offer any kind of European football next season. Those players will have options, they'll take big transfer fees and probably even more inflated wages to tempt them here.

I'm sure the club will still have eyes on targets like that, as we need to sign players who might be about to explode and come into their own. They will still each represent a risk though, as that might never happen. The days of signing the best players from other PL clubs are long gone as well, so you have to look outside, and so that means you aren't signing PL proven players.

Quenda is one of the best teenagers in his position out there right now. I see it as similar to us signing Yoro. We won't see their true impact for a season or 2, but it's a player we could actually get, despite a number of admirers, and before there's a £100m price tag slapped on him.
 
Crimson King said:
You're not wrong, but it's going to be hard to sign players like that when we can't offer UCL football. Hell, we most likely won't be able to offer any kind of European football next season. Those players will have options, they'll take big transfer fees and probably even more inflated wages to tempt them here.

I'm sure the club will still have eyes on targets like that, as we need to sign players who might be about to explode and come into their own. They will still each represent a risk though, as that might never happen. The days of signing the best players from other PL clubs are long gone as well, so you have to look outside, and so that means you aren't signing PL proven players.

Quenda is one of the best teenagers in his position out there right now. I see it as similar to us signing Yoro. We won't see their true impact for a season or 2, but it's a player we could actually get, despite a number of admirers, and before there's a £100m price tag slapped on him.
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We've a decent chance of winning either the EL or FA cup.
 
Gordon S said:
Quenda is one of Sportings best players already. And he looks like a really good option for our wingback positions already now.
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Would you be OK with our wingbacks next season being 18 and 20? (Quenda and Dorgu).
 
Crimson King said:
You're not wrong, but it's going to be hard to sign players like that when we can't offer UCL football. Hell, we most likely won't be able to offer any kind of European football next season. Those players will have options, they'll take big transfer fees and probably even more inflated wages to tempt them here.

I'm sure the club will still have eyes on targets like that, as we need to sign players who might be about to explode and come into their own. They will still each represent a risk though, as that might never happen. The days of signing the best players from other PL clubs are long gone as well, so you have to look outside, and so that means you aren't signing PL proven players.

Quenda is one of the best teenagers in his position out there right now. I see it as similar to us signing Yoro. We won't see their true impact for a season or 2, but it's a player we could actually get, despite a number of admirers, and before there's a £100m price tag slapped on him.
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We're spending that kind of money on relatively untested players so I don't see why we can't just spend it on proven players instead.

We've got a bunch of buy back clauses out there. Players who are coming to a good age. It just seems more sensible to go down that route given where we are as a club right now.

I don’t know how much Elanga's buy back clause is but let's say £25 million. I know not as exciting as Quenda but half the price, a better age for us, Premier League proven.

Has to be the better option right now.
 
Dunno how true it is that we're bringing this lad in, but from what I've seen of him, this thread seems oddly negative.

He's a young lad who is playing for a top team and looking quality. Importantly, he has some things that most of our players don't:

Intensity
Skills
Confidence
Creativity
Vision

This is what I want to see in a young United player. He looks exciting and my god, we need some of that!

He fights, tackles, isn't afraid to try a bit of skill, can pick out a pass to a forward or switch the play with a cross field ball, and all while playing at RWB. I think that's all more than 99% of our current squad could manage.
 
Von Mistelroum said:
Dunno how true it is that we're bringing this lad in, but from what I've seen of him, this thread seems oddly negative.

He's a young lad who is playing for a top team and looking quality. Importantly, he has some things that most of our players don't:

Intensity
Skills
Confidence
Creativity
Vision

This is what I want to see in a young United player. He looks exciting and my god, we need some of that!

He fights, tackles, isn't afraid to try a bit of skill, can pick out a pass to a forward or switch the play with a cross field ball, and all while playing at RWB. I think that's all more than 99% of our current squad could manage.
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Might dispute that he is already playing for a top team, but other than this I share this view, based on what little I've seen.

We are a side one grade above the relegation dogfight with apparently very limited financial resources, all the while playing deeply uninspiring football. We are not going to be attracting top level, established players. If we want exceptional ability we are going to need to identify that talent from the next generation. We are not going to attract top level, established players while we are miles off being competitive for the league and not able to compensate with our usual strategy of barrowloads of cash.

If we want to go for an established player instead that is fine, but people need to realise that will mean signing a middling quality player. There's no point looking round Europe at the best established wing backs / full backs and imagining we are going to be attracting them to Old Trafford this summer.
 
Gordon S said:
Yes
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He played starter in last games, Porto and Dortmund. Was the most important player in the best parts of both games. Was a bit sh*t in both 2nd halves, as Sporting went down. He has become a bit greater than current Sporting form, which is amazing for the age he has. Very calm, focused and smart player. If he comes, he will show he is more than ready.
 
Marwood said:
Bold given you're currently witnessing our very young forward line this season and how that's working out.
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You have our problems down to age more than a change of formation that doesn´t seem to suit anyone at the moment?
Sorry, that is a topic for a different thread. Lets just agree to disagree here.
 
Really don't think he should be a priority. So he will no doubt be our first signing of the summer window.
 
Do people not see that having defensive fullbacks trying to play as wingbacks is a large reason our attack is so poor in this system?

It's silly to say "we should be spending this money on attackers", when we don't have a team set up to provide opportunities for them. Attacking threat from the wings is a massive part of Amorim's set up being effective - we've seen that with our best performances this season coming when Amad has played RWB.

Mazraoui and Dalot be options at right centre back and possibly left centre back at a push. We'll get nowhere with either of them operating as a wing back in this setup.
 
21 league appearances. 1 league goal. That's his career so far.

He does look talented but the way posters talk about him, with such certainty about where he's at and what he'd bring. It's misplaced. He's done nowhere near enough for any conclusions to be made.
 
Marwood said:
21 league appearances. 1 league goal. That's his career so far.

He does look talented but the way posters talk about him, with such certainty about where he's at and what he'd bring. It's misplaced. He's done nowhere near enough for any conclusions to be made.
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He's 17 years old mate, what are you expecting? He looks seriously talented. Read what Sporting fans are saying - they think this guy is one of their generational talents and he's achieving things even CR7 wasn't.
 
pocco said:
He's 17 years old mate, what are you expecting? He looks seriously talented. Read what Sporting fans are saying - they think this guy is one of their generational talents and he's achieving things even CR7 wasn't.
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And first and foremost, he is a wingback, not a striker.
 
Marwood said:
21 league appearances. 1 league goal. That's his career so far.

He does look talented but the way posters talk about him, with such certainty about where he's at and what he'd bring. It's misplaced. He's done nowhere near enough for any conclusions to be made.
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In 37 senior appearances, he has 2 goals and 7 assists. That's a goal contribution every 4 games - at 17.

Compare that to Dalot who has a goal or assist every 10 games for United, Shaw who has a goal or assist every 8.5 games and Mazraoui who has a goal or assist every 18 games since joining us.
 
diarm said:
In 37 senior appearances, he has 2 goals and 7 assists. That's a goal contribution every 4 games - at 17.

Compare that to Dalot who has a goal or assist every 10 games for United, Shaw who has a goal or assist every 8.5 months and Mazraoui who has a goal or assist every 18 games since joining us.
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Fixed that for you
 
Marwood said:
21 league appearances. 1 league goal. That's his career so far.

He does look talented but the way posters talk about him, with such certainty about where he's at and what he'd bring. It's misplaced. He's done nowhere near enough for any conclusions to be made.
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People watch the games im assuming, bizarre I know
 
diarm said:
Do people not see that having defensive fullbacks trying to play as wingbacks is a large reason our attack is so poor in this system?

It's silly to say "we should be spending this money on attackers", when we don't have a team set up to provide opportunities for them. Attacking threat from the wings is a massive part of Amorim's set up being effective - we've seen that with our best performances this season coming when Amad has played RWB.

Mazraoui and Dalot be options at right centre back and possibly left centre back at a push. We'll get nowhere with either of them operating as a wing back in this setup.
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Do you genuinely believe that with our wing backs being a selection of Dorgu, Quenda and Amad we will then see Hojlund, Zirkzee and co. deliver the goals to get us back near the top of the table? Because I just don't see that happening at all.
 
pocco said:
He's 17 years old mate, what are you expecting? He looks seriously talented. Read what Sporting fans are saying - they think this guy is one of their generational talents and he's achieving things even CR7 wasn't.
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That's my entire point. He's 17. Very little should be expected. So coming to United right now is a hell of a risk for the club.

diarm said:
In 37 senior appearances, he has 2 goals and 7 assists. That's a goal contribution every 4 games - at 17.

Compare that to Dalot who has a goal or assist every 10 games for United, Shaw who has a goal or assist every 8.5 games and Mazraoui who has a goal or assist every 18 games since joining us.
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I'm not arguing Dalot amd Mazraoui are better options.

But equally the choice isn't stick with what we have or Quenda. There are other options.
 
Shinjch said:
Do you genuinely believe that with our wing backs being a selection of Dorgu, Quenda and Amad we will then see Hojlund, Zirkzee and co. deliver the goals to get us back near the top of the table? Because I just don't see that happening at all.
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I genuinely believe that with a better balanced side, with effective players in positions we are currently shoehorning unsuitable players, we will see a more effective attack.

Do I think Hojlund and Zirkzee are good enough to challenge at the top? I'm not so sure - I'd be concerned at the technical ability of either, but I did see more glimpses of potential in Hojlund last year than we have this. I don't think either are as bad as it looks right now, but eventually yes - both may need to be replaced. I'd leave that until we see a side that is creating buckets of chances that aren't being converted rather than spending a fortune on a shiny new striker who is going to struggle with the same issues at the head of a dysfunctional team.

I also know the attack was the last piece of the puzzle to click for Amorim at Sporting. This season was always going to be a write off for him, with a mess of a squad and no money to address things in January, along with a hectic schedule that prevented him from seeing time with his squad to bed in new ideas, but we have slowly seen improvements in defence and midfield. I trust that attacking improvements will come in time too and I'm happy to be patient for that.
 
Quenda for 50m? To expensive!!!
Branthwaite for 50m? Get him!!!

Cafs logic.
 
diarm said:
I genuinely believe that with a better balanced side, with effective players in positions we are currently shoehorning unsuitable players, we will see a more effective attack.

Do I think Hojlund and Zirkzee are good enough to challenge at the top? I'm not so sure - I'd be concerned at the technical ability of either, but I did see more glimpses of potential in Hojlund last year than we have this. I don't think either are as bad as it looks right now, but eventually yes - both may need to be replaced. I'd leave that until we see a side that is creating buckets of chances that aren't being converted rather than spending a fortune on a shiny new striker who is going to struggle with the same issues at the head of a dysfunctional team.

I also know the attack was the last piece of the puzzle to click for Amorim at Sporting. This season was always going to be a write off for him, with a mess of a squad and no money to address things in January, along with a hectic schedule that prevented him from seeing time with his squad to bed in new ideas, but we have slowly seen improvements in defence and midfield. I trust that attacking improvements will come in time too and I'm happy to be patient for that.
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I appreciate your optimism, I'm afraid I am struggling for any at the moment. I just think we have seen enough of Hojlund in particular to see what his level is. I don't particularly want a shiny striker, but a competent one would do. A striker is a key part of chance creation as well, maybe the key part.

I don't know much about Amorim's Sporting side, but my main worry with United is how bad our low level is. I would like to see us focus on raising that before we go after more young players whose consistency cannot and shouldn't be relied upon as they develop. I haven't really noticed the slow improvements in midfield, but happy to agree to disagree on that.
 
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JJ12 said:
People watch the games im assuming, bizarre I know
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Barely any games in an inferior league. For the best team in that league. You'd think people would have learned their lesson by now before drawing conclusions on that.

Especially at a time when we need about 5 new players. £50 million on this lad isn't the way to go.

I'm not saying he's rubbish I'm saying this isn't the correct path for this club at this moment in time.

I could easily see him doing another season at Sporting. Which is really what should happen.
 
Shinjch said:
I appreciate your optimism, I'm afraid I am struggling for any at the moment. I just think we have seen enough of Hojlund in particular to see what his level is. I don't particularly want a shiny striker, but a competent one would do. A striker is a key part of chance creation as well, maybe the key part.

I don't know much about Amorim's sporting side, but my main worry with United is how bad our low level is. I would like to see us focus on raising that before we go after more young players who's consistency cannot and shouldn't be relied upon as they develop. I haven't really noticed the slow improvements in midfield, but happy to agree to disagree on that.
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I get that. It's hard to maintain any optimism after the past decade and I definitely go through spells where I'm every bit as pessimistic as you here.

I just really like Amorim and his approach to things. I could well end up looking silly but I believe he will get this right.
 
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