Geovany Quenda - Summer 2025

diarm said:
I genuinely believe that with a better balanced side, with effective players in positions we are currently shoehorning unsuitable players, we will see a more effective attack.

Do I think Hojlund and Zirkzee are good enough to challenge at the top? I'm not so sure - I'd be concerned at the technical ability of either, but I did see more glimpses of potential in Hojlund last year than we have this. I don't think either are as bad as it looks right now, but eventually yes - both may need to be replaced. I'd leave that until we see a side that is creating buckets of chances that aren't being converted rather than spending a fortune on a shiny new striker who is going to struggle with the same issues at the head of a dysfunctional team.

I also know the attack was the last piece of the puzzle to click for Amorim at Sporting. This season was always going to be a write off for him, with a mess of a squad and no money to address things in January, along with a hectic schedule that prevented him from seeing time with his squad to bed in new ideas, but we have slowly seen improvements in defence and midfield. I trust that attacking improvements will come in time too and I'm happy to be patient for that.
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This is deja vu from ETH era when lots of people would post about how and when things would improve. A 'better balanced side', err then why not play your new left wing back on the left and Dallot on the right, there is some balance. 'We have slowly seen improvements in defence and midfield'. Have we, our goal difference is worse now than under ETH. Have you seen our results? At the end of Jan, our goal differnece under Amorim was minus 5. We are still always outnumbered in midfield and teams move our CBs out of position and exploit the gaps, or find gaps on the wings. When you say 'trust' I think you mean 'hope'.
 
His best position is RWB, where our best player Amad plays. You cannot gaslight me into believing we need this signing as a top priority. We have Dalot/Dorgu/Maz as backup too. Its insane.
 
diarm said:
I get that. It's hard to maintain any optimism after the past decade and I definitely go through spells where I'm every bit as pessimistic as you here.

I just really like Amorim and his approach to things. I could well end up looking silly but I believe he will get this right.
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Agree and as well as for the club's fortunes that's why I want players who are ready now. To give Amorim a fighting chance. If we go into next season with half the team ranging from 18 to 22 he won't be around long enough to see them come of age.
 
Highfather_24 said:
His best position is RWB, where our best player Amad plays. You cannot gaslight me into believing we need this signing as a top priority. We have Dalot/Dorgu/Maz as backup too. Its insane.
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Amad's long term position isn't RWB though is it.
 
D. Grayson said:
A center-back with proven experience in the Premier League, or a wing-back from a lower-tier league.
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Sanchez, Lukaku, Matic were very premier league proven. Didn't guarantee success. Ronaldo came from Sporting and tore the PL apart as a teenager.
I think we need to pay attention to the talents and age more than anything these days. Because we kept missing the big talents to middlemen clubs and paying a large sum of money for a "proven" player isn't feasible anymore, not mentioning their very expensive salary. This is how we should build the squad. As much as I hate saying it, we are not winning a major trophy anytime soon. Might as well build something with a potentially large payoff in 2-3 years.
 
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Marwood said:
We're spending that kind of money on relatively untested players so I don't see why we can't just spend it on proven players instead.

We've got a bunch of buy back clauses out there. Players who are coming to a good age. It just seems more sensible to go down that route given where we are as a club right now.

I don’t know how much Elanga's buy back clause is but let's say £25 million. I know not as exciting as Quenda but half the price, a better age for us, Premier League proven.

Has to be the better option right now.
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Because those clubs don't need the money anymore and would probably cost a lot more than that. I also don't think that signing a bunch of 'good' players from mediocre PL teams is going to improve us that much, just because they've played in the league before.

I've never seen any evidence that we have a buyback on Elanga, pretty sure it was a straight sell with a future % if he moves again. He also might not want to come back here and play RWB. He also, ultimately, isn't good enough. If he was still here then he'd be a good option, but we shouldn't be spending money to bring him back.
 
Highfather_24 said:
His best position is RWB, where our best player Amad plays. You cannot gaslight me into believing we need this signing as a top priority. We have Dalot/Dorgu/Maz as backup too. Its insane.
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Come on, everybody has been complaining about our wingbacks and now that we start signing wingbacks, you want to complain?

Amad isn't going to be a RWB in the long term is he, the reason he is playing there now is because we lack any form of threat out wide when our other options play there, and we have other players who can do an ok job in the no.10 roles for now. Long term, it might be Amad + another in 10 positions, Dorgu LWB and Quenda RWB. Suddenly our team starts to look like it has some potential if we make that happen.

Add a good CF and we'll suddenly have very balanced team in this system. Add a CM who can dictate, maybe even another CB who can distribute well, and we'll be onto something good.
 
Gordon S said:
And first and foremost, he is a wingback, not a striker.
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Yeah exactly. Besides, just watch the highlights and see all the chances he creates. Whilst his dribbling and athleticism is the eye catching aspect of his game, his passing and vision is looking pretty damn good too. For a 17 year old he's as good a talent as I've seen in a long time.
 
Crimson King said:
Because those clubs don't need the money anymore and would probably cost a lot more than that. I also don't think that signing a bunch of 'good' players from mediocre PL teams is going to improve us that much, just because they've played in the league before.

I've never seen any evidence that we have a buyback on Elanga, pretty sure it was a straight sell with a future % if he moves again. He also might not want to come back here and play RWB. He also, ultimately, isn't good enough. If he was still here then he'd be a good option, but we shouldn't be spending money to bring him back.
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Yeah fair enough on Elanga. I've not really focused on him this season, just an example really.

But we can afford players more towards their prime, more proven, if we're spending £50 million on teenagers with 20 full games under their belt.
 
Marwood said:
Yeah fair enough on Elanga. I've not really focused on him this season, just an example really.

But we can afford players more towards their prime, more proven, if we're spending £50 million on teenagers with 20 full games under their belt.
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Yeah we can and we have been. Ugarte and De Ligt are both players around that age/fee. Bruno was as well when we signed him.

We definitely need to make more signings like that, but I don't think we should pass up on some of the top teenagers like Yoro and Quenda in the meantime. There's a balance to get right though, I agree on that
 
Highfather_24 said:
His best position is RWB, where our best player Amad plays. You cannot gaslight me into believing we need this signing as a top priority. We have Dalot/Dorgu/Maz as backup too. Its insane.
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Amad is not a wingback.
Dalot and Maz are shite at wingback.
 
i think the vast majority see this kid and have flashbacks of Antony....hence the he can't beat a guy off the dribble comments
 
pocco said:
Yeah exactly. Besides, just watch the highlights and see all the chances he creates. Whilst his dribbling and athleticism is the eye catching aspect of his game, his passing and vision is looking pretty damn good too. For a 17 year old he's as good a talent as I've seen in a long time.
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Indeed, his eye for a killer pass is probably just as good as his dribbling.
As far as exciting 17yo wingers/wingbacks go, he might be the guy. Well Yamal is THE guy, but out of the somewhat available, he might be the guy.
 
Tarrou said:
so impressive to look that comfortable at that level at his age

reminds me a bit of the excitement I felt when we signing Anderson
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I was just thinking about him as well, looked pretty feckin special at that age. Let´s hope Geovany stays away from injuries and cakes
 
Adnan said:
I acknowledge your point and it would beg the question about the other more glaring problems in the team that need fixing before we spend big money on Quenda. I don't believe the wingers/wingbacks will make a big enough difference without having a strong midfield and CB trio. Any midfield that has midfielders that struggle to impose themselves on the game by way of threading the lines in-possession and containing transitions out of possession (when the space opens up for the opposition to counter quickly) will hamper the system of play. IMO any system that aims to be proactive has to be built around the CBs and deeper midfielders. If you as a coach have weaknesses in those positions as far as progressing the ball forward and controlling spaces out of possession, then there will be a problem.

I'm all for the signing of Quenda, I think he's potentially a elite level winger/wide forward and having the opportunity to sign such a precocious talent has to be taken up. But how well the system functions will largely depend on how strong the CBs and deeper midfield is as far as controlling the game with and
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We absolutely need progressive ball carriers and passers in our spine and have needed this since Carrick retired. I would still think that in this system wingbacks are immensely important with attacking transitions.
Marwood said:
21 league appearances. 1 league goal. That's his career so far.

He does look talented but the way posters talk about him, with such certainty about where he's at and what he'd bring. It's misplaced. He's done nowhere near enough for any conclusions to be made.
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The more I see him the more I think you're looking at one of the best teenagers in world football.
Gordon S said:
I was just thinking about him as well, looked pretty feckin special at that age. Let´s hope Geovany stays away from injuries and cakes
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Anderson broke his leg at a young age if I'm right. I think that caused a lot of damage.
 
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