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Why does the hard-left love Putin so much? They would be in a prison camp for expressing equivalent anti-Russian views in Russia. Is it an instinctive “my enemy’s enemy is my friend” or is it an inability to accept that people outside the US and Western Europe (presumably less developed nations in that world view and needing a Western saviour) also have agency and do not simply respond to prompts like Pavlov’s dogs?
Why do you think the hard left loves Putin? Or rather who is the far left that has shown love for Putin?
Pilger, Corbyn, Galloway, even McDonnell,..Always seeking to present every Russian action as a reaction to something the West did..The one thing they have in common is that they know absolutely nothing about Russia.
How is that loving Putin? Saying that Putin is committing war crimes is loving? I suppose people are just hyper-sensitive to any criticism towards them.
Putin is a cnut, happy? I'm sure all of the above will say the same.
It‘s not aimed at you, nothing is black and white and I appreciate that there are different potential solutions to this problem. The issue I have is with Western organisations (safely based in the UK and most likely having no experience of Russia or Ukraine) publishing the “Ukraine is neo-nazi“ line.
I'd be surprised and disappointed if Corbyn or Galloway would believe this, Ukraine would have some racism issues, as with all European countries (especially Russia) but not the 'neo-nazi' line being propogated by Putin.
Criticism of NATO pushing eastward is not just something they are saying but also experienced former government officials who know plenty about Russia, and in particular Soviet Russia.
Galloway has been pushing the Nazi thing on Twitter. Which shouldn’t be a major surprise given he has had his own show on RT. I always remember reading an article of his during the Georgia war of 2008 where he wrote something like “Russian tanks were an awesome sight as they rolled into Georgia”.
There was some material posted by @TMDaines from the Stop the War protest the other day which repeated the Kremlin’s line about Nazis. Corbyn and McDonnell were there I believe. They didn’t print it themselves of course but they are endorsing it by being there. Corbyn of course infamously failed to condemn the Russian position on the Salisbury poisonings, although I suspect that is a result of him being breathtakingly stupid rather than being on the pay roll.
At some point guardian readers are going to have to accept the cat man from big brother isn’t a leader of the British “hard left”(Which isn’t even a thing anyway)
Agree on this. He can be stupid sometimes.
But what do you think is the issue when the right and some in the left continuously fail to condemn other crimes committed by other actors? Can they be on the payroll?
Hard right seem to quite like him too. Think its a lot of things. Being contrarian, my enemies enemy as you say, maybe theres a bit of trying to find a rational, understandable reason for the whole thing and trying to present putins view and its being seen as an endorsement?
I find myself feeling quite distrustful about the whole thing. When the entirety of mainstream media and western governments are all saying the same thing I'm looking for the trap. Maybe its just the resources and a stick to beat Russia with? I find it impossible to trust their motivations, which is a bit weird seeing as i pretty much support any and every action taken to this point.
If you mean the Gulf states, then there is definitely a strong financial interest in keeping them sweet, even when they are killing people. But that’s more a case of keeping quiet - it’s still not the same as parroting lies straight off Russian TV about Ukraine being run by nazis.
Hard right probably even more so but I don’t expect much from them. It is a mystery however why people who would automatically side with the Palestinians over the Israelis (or the Irish over the British) suddenly have such sympathy for the colonial power aggressor.
Yes, the Gulf states are a good example of Tory's hypocrisy... Galloway is not someone I take seriously. I'd be really shocked to see Corbyn parrot the kremlin's propaganda. But again he certainly has the flaws you cited earlier.
And Israel is another one. Boris Johnson putting pressure on the ICC to close their investigation into war crimes is not "keeping quiet", it is parroting lies straight off a friendly regime... And it is hard not to see that if Putin were an ally, Boris and his ilk would be protecting Putin the same way they protect the regimes in Israel and the Gulf states.
So...will Taiwan develop nuclear weapons now? What the Russian invasion has re-confirmed is that when you're not in NATO and you don't have nuclear weapons, then you're basically a sitting duck.
They don't apart from nuts like Galloway and having neen to Stop the war rallies before yeah their tends to be a minority who are really just nutters.
That's the issue, events like this tend to stir up talking points that were always talking points anyway but suddenly they become a case of "wait who's side are you on anyway". That's not healthy.
Criticism of the west doesn't need to be suspended to prove ones opposition against Russia or terrorists etc.
Are the rest of the UK guvernement on the payroll of Israel and KSA when they fail to condemn their actions?
That's easy:
OPERATION SIG: Promotion of guerrilla organisations worldwide.
Soviet secret services have been described as "the primary instructors of guerrillas worldwide". According to Ion Mihai Pacepa, KGB General Aleksandr Sakharovsky once said: "In today's world, when nuclear arms have made military force obsolete, terrorism should become our main weapon." He also claimed that "Airplane hijacking is my own invention". In 1969 alone 82 planes were hijacked worldwide by the KGB financed PLO.
Lt. General Ion Mihai Pacepa claimed operation "SIG" ("Zionist Governments") that was devised in 1972, to turn the whole Islamic world against Israel and the United States. KGB chairman Yury Andropov allegedly explained to Pacepa that:
"A billion adversaries could inflict far greater damage on America than could a few millions. We needed to instill a Nazi-style hatred for the Jews throughout the Islamic world, and to turn this weapon of the emotions into a terrorist bloodbath against Israel and its main supporter, the United States".
https://israelbehindthenews.com/wp-...KGB_and_Anti-Israel_Propaganda_Operations.pdf
As per usual your racist posting trues to turn any and all discussions into an osrael vs Islam contest. How do you even walk and breathe at the same time?
It's definitely surprised me how much racism there's been on show as a result of this
I was replying to a post that asked why the usual Pro-Palestinian lefty mob are defending Putin. Like this:
He is plain and simple racist, which you can find a few in every European parlament/government, but the majority sits there and clapping this racist sh1t, is beyond me. I work and live in one of the most progressive countries in the world (a Scandinavian country), and I heard similar slurs at work more than once in a matter of a week. I feel shocked, where have this covert racism been?
More than once westerner who fought against ISIS was arrested, while this is encouraged
He’s a hasbara troll. No worse than Russian bots. Literally just spamming the forum with Zionist / Islamaphobic nonsense. The more lies and confusion he espouses the better for him.
The applause around the room is what's scary, it's not that there is one racist lunatic, but rather a lot more agreeing with him.
Muslims youths invading to destabilize and colonize us. What the feck man. And that to coming from a fecking Spanish politician (I'm guessing).
More than once westerner who fought against ISIS was arrested, while this is encouraged
At least here in the UK, the Azov battalion is not a Proscribed Terror Group in the same way the PKK etc are
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/proscribed-terror-groups-or-organisations--2
Funny that.
The definition and purpose of 'whataboutery' is to deflect accusations of hypocrisy from its wielder.
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Hence why the definition fits you…
Says USSR duped apologist.
Which aspect of hard left appeals to Putin? Pointing out hypocrisy and labelling it as "Ah so you love Putin then!"
If anything, if these political commentators are equating Putin's actions to figures they are regularly criticizing, how is it "love"?
It’s quite funny how you can call someone else an apologist. By funny I mean fecking stupid.
You must be quite upset the President Zellenskky is a zionist, using Israel as an example to fight off a real occupation, not the bullsh1t one you live off.
But do keep the insults coming. I'm sure they provide momentary relief from your cognitive dissonance.
He can say what he want. I’m not that bothered. The reality is Ukraine are fighting off an illegal occupier that don’t belong there, just as Palestine is.
How is he using Israel as en example? Is he torturing innocent children, and cutting people off from their livelihood via countless apartheid checkpoints ?
No that would be Putin Pintu.
So Putin is the one following the israeli regime example. Now we are in agreement.