So Labour shifts right, the Tories shift even further right. Who do progressives vote for? The Greens? Unless the Lib Dems cement themselves on a firmly centre left platform.
General Election 2024
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In a YouGov poll today, 55% of adults taking part in the poll didn't trust Starmer at all.
The main issue I see with this election is that there are an awful lot of new eligible voters who don't know what it's like to live under a Labour government, I'm not saying the Tories are any better, what the country needs is a complete reset, fresh people and fresh idea's.
The main issue I see with this election is that there are an awful lot of new eligible voters who don't know what it's like to live under a Labour government, I'm not saying the Tories are any better, what the country needs is a complete reset, fresh people and fresh idea's.
I watched Question Time last night, and the only MP answering any questions and offering a new approach to the countries issues was Daisy Cooper.
Progressives vote for whichever electoral reform supporting party is most likely to win their seat. As always.
Gove and Leadsom? ffs, they're ruining my schadenfreude election night wank party.
I am a greedy fecker and I want all the Tory tears. Apparently they have until the 7th June to announce their intentions. All the big names are going to have jumped ship by then.
I am a greedy fecker and I want all the Tory tears. Apparently they have until the 7th June to announce their intentions. All the big names are going to have jumped ship by then.
Yeah I'd happily vote for her party but the feckers aren't even standing in my constituency. They happily split the vote in 2019 gifting the constituency to the Tories, and now when I actually want to vote for them they bow out
Will probably vote Green as it stands.
Their job is done - it’s been a roaring success and will only get better. I feel lazy quoting James O’Brien but he made the point yesterday that the Conservatives entire electoral pitch in 2019 was ‘get Brexit done“ and, under five years later, it‘s not even mentioned. Almost as though it was an idiotic self-destructive project.
Light the blue touch paper and run like hell. And they know it. Leaving some mug who says he'll make it work and facing five years of the worst of it.
How does he always find the new bottom of the barrel?
Well that depends on what you call progressive and right wing, because I want to say that a lot of people who attach the term progressive to their particular ideology aren't always progressive at all when you take a look at their aims and the policies they propose and the methods they want to use.
The mainstream center left labour party would do well if it lost these limpet like bullshitters and concentrated on the knife and fork questions of how the UK recovers from the most corrupt, incompetent and self interested govt to have ever ruled in modern times and works on how it divides the share of income of a hopefully growing economy more equally and beneficially for the working poor.
That is left wing enough for me, that is progress to me.
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Labour aren’t drifting right on policy tbf. Almost all of their manifesto will be to the last of Blair - though that’s not saying much tbf.
I truly believe that The Tories are going to be smashed out of sight. I see the Lib Dems picking up loads of seats and that’s a great thing for the country. An insane Labour majority wouldn’t be.
Coming from a completely different perspective it does indeed.
I think we can park the idea of Corbyn being the decisive seat in a hung parliament.
This is a level of Conservative bed shitting never seen before. The are going to shed all of the rats, and still yet to complete candidate selection for 150 seats.
Calling an election when almost HALF of your candidates are not chosen is insane.
This is a level of Conservative bed shitting never seen before. The are going to shed all of the rats, and still yet to complete candidate selection for 150 seats.
Calling an election when almost HALF of your candidates are not chosen is insane.
These "polling experts" have a model which is predicting Corbyn will get less than 1% of the vote
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These "polling experts" have a model which is predicting Corbyn will get less than 1% of the vote
Had a look at their timeline, they also tweeted out Ledsome and Gove polls showing they'll hold, as they were announcing their resignation.
Even if you did the poling from a few days ago, how on earth do you run with that data as "news" literally within the same hour as the candidates are quitting
I mean I lived under the last labour government of Blair and Brown and it was a tonne better than this crapshow.
We didn't have crumbling schools, we had 48 hours not 2 week+ wait to see GP, minimum wage was introduced, working social and care systems, tuition fees at 3k not 9k a year, education maintenance allowance, actual housing stock being built, the start to move out reliance away from oil and gas.
People seem to have a issue with the last labour government think that a global financial crisis was caused by them, or bring up the war in Iraq or bring up the gold thing. The Blair years were a lot better than the John Mayor years before him and alot better than the Cameron, Boris, May, Truss, Sunak years after.
And don't get me started on UKIP/Brexit in disguise charletons that is Reform. Can see how well the populist appeal they peddled with Brexit turned out and it'll be the same again. Just lot of fag packet ideas that are pipe dreams in reality.
On current polling it could end up with almost 1 Lib Dem MP for every 2 Conservatives
Labour can't be shifting to the right.
The always honest Boris Johnson headline in the DM.....Starmer would be the most dangerous and left wing PM since the 1970s.
So there we have it. Starmer must be a communist.
I mean given his record he would be able to tell.
Yeah, I hated it when I didn't have to sit and wait with a busted knee at A&E for six hours and zero painkillers, or when I was able to buy extravagant things like food because my salary kept up with inflation, or when I could swim in the ocean without contracting something, or when I could turn on my TV without seeing some political representative make a mockery of basic decorum, or when I saw politicians actually attempt to answer questions, or when money was spent on basic public services, or when food banks weren't seen as a necessity in a country with over 150 billionaires living in it. Or when...
Starmer confirms he wants to see the voting age reduced to 16. Hopefully it will be included in the manifesto. A good policy.
Certainly agree with that.
That'll scare older voters.
Yes this is a chance to heal the division created by Boris Johnson and his "Support Brexit or leave the party!" approach. Sadly I suspect the concept of "one nation Tory" is now defunct and they will just draft in more dreadful loons from the far right.
I'm no fan of the tory party but it is genuinely scary that the party is lurching further to the right with every election. I want them to spend many years in opposition to pay for the damage they have done to the country. But I also want an effective opposition that holds a government to account. Sadly I think the UK parliament is becoming a partisan culture war playground rather than a place where effective legislation happens.
Really? It's just the same shit as the Tories redrawing boundaries to secure future seats. I'd prefer him to be focusing on real issues than already thinking about how to cement his power.
So far Labour's response to the GE is worrying. No real focus on fixing the issues and lot of envy politics so far. Luckily the LD candidate is alright where I am and stands a fair chance at winning.
This is a real issue, if 16 year olds can pay taxes, they should be able to have a say on how it's spent.
So paying taxes should be a pre requisite to getting a vote?
No, being of age to pay taxes should give you the right to vote.
Fortunately the boundaries being redrawn was non-partisan. And I have no problem with expanding the franchise, especially as it means that the parties will have to pay more attention to things like housing, employment and the climate.
An actual good policy would be to change, or have a referendum on changing, the electoral system to the Single Transferrable Vote (STV) form of proportional representation.
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I agree, but since Labour have already ruled that out...
You do know that 1 year olds can be liable to pay tax right?
Self-interest above the public interest. Quelle surprise!
One of the Tory guys says two of the main issues for him are health and the cost of living, yet he's still voting Tory.
Hull people have their say on the general election after Rishi Sunak calls July poll
Hull people have their say on the general election after Rishi Sunak calls July poll
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/new...news/hull-people-say-general-election-9305334
We know that the Tories have catastrophically failed from a 'stereotypically left wing' perspective, with poverty and child poverty soaring under their watch, the NHS crumbling, public transport and housing shortages getting worse, the 'educational divide' increasing considerably etc.
The thing is they've also spectactularly failed from a 'stereotypically right wing' perspective as well, with them implementing the biggest set of tax hikes since World War 2 (they're supposed to be a low tax party), crashing the economy (they're supposed to be fiscally responsible), drastically cutting day to day defence spending since 2010 (that's supposed to be one of their main priorities), making like far more difficult for small business owners with Brexit a huge contributing factor (they're supposed to champion free enterprise), increasing the size of the state and regulation (they're supposed to push to limit the size of the state). And they've made a series of cast iron pledges to drastically cut net migration dating back to when Cameron was PM and May was Home Secretary, but it has increased under their watch.
So they've somehow managed to simultaneously fail to the left and fail to the right. For example despite them implementing the biggest tax hikes since World War 2, public services have drastically detoriorated at the same time.
The thing is they've also spectactularly failed from a 'stereotypically right wing' perspective as well, with them implementing the biggest set of tax hikes since World War 2 (they're supposed to be a low tax party), crashing the economy (they're supposed to be fiscally responsible), drastically cutting day to day defence spending since 2010 (that's supposed to be one of their main priorities), making like far more difficult for small business owners with Brexit a huge contributing factor (they're supposed to champion free enterprise), increasing the size of the state and regulation (they're supposed to push to limit the size of the state). And they've made a series of cast iron pledges to drastically cut net migration dating back to when Cameron was PM and May was Home Secretary, but it has increased under their watch.
So they've somehow managed to simultaneously fail to the left and fail to the right. For example despite them implementing the biggest tax hikes since World War 2, public services have drastically detoriorated at the same time.
Just seen Tories want to bring back national service, whilst starmer wants to lower the voting age.
Don't agree with either but think Tories will lose a lot more votes with that policy.
Don't agree with either but think Tories will lose a lot more votes with that policy.
Bearing in mind there is no one younger than about 90 who has done national service....
Clearly an appeal to older voters who support this sort of thing despite avoiding it themselves.
Clearly an appeal to older voters who support this sort of thing despite avoiding it themselves.
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