General Election 2024

[Smores]

Labours manifesto to provide employment rights (e.g. unfair dismissal protection) from day 1 is huge.

Sounds great in theory but it'll be a nightmare that. The tribunal backlog is years and they'll be a lot of cases in that period, it might double it.

I'm an anti-capitalist at heart so firms can get fecked but it will cause large employers huge issues. Lots of settlements just because it's cheaper than going to tribunal.

 

[Berbasbullet]

Sounds great in theory but it'll be a nightmare that. The tribunal backlog is years and they'll be a lot of cases in that period, it might double it.

I'm an anti-capitalist at heart so firms can get fecked but it will cause large employers huge issues. Lots of settlements just because it's cheaper than going to tribunal.

Completely agree! I work in HR and this is a nightmare for me.

Yeah it depends if they have insurance mind, we work with an insurer who tells us what to do and will go all the way to tribunal at no cost to us.

 

[nimic]

The UK would be so much better off if they just put one person on that plane to Rwanda, NF

And then shot it down.

 

[rimaldo]

The UK would be so much better off if they just put one person on that plane to Rwanda, NF

please, this cannot be allowed here. for gods sake someone would pass away, this is not right mods. i know this poster has a longstanding history here, but this is not right. i can’t be the only one that thinks this?

 

[CassiusClaymore]

"I came here to chew bubblegum and make tools... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

 

[Mr Pigeon]

"I came here to chew bubblegum and make tools... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

the first header was actually "He came here to kick ass and make tools... And he's all outta ass" funnily enough.

Farage was also called Nazi Salad Fingers but there wasn't enough space

 

[Jezpeza]

"I came here to chew bubblegum and make tools... and I'm all out of bubblegum."

I know Rishis parents were a GP and Pharmacist and he suffered without sky tv in his traumatic childhood.

Any info on what Keirs parents did, can’t seem to find anything?

 

[Sweet Square]

From the telegraph

The British upper class are insane.

 

[Vidyoyo]

Thank you both, and sorry for the confusion. Not sure what I was doing wrong!

No need to apologise. Save that shit for St Peter when you get to the pearly gates.

 

[Drainy]

From the telegraph

The British upper class are insane.

If you saw how they reacted to the fox hunting ban..

 

[Giggsyking]

 

[Giggsyking]

 

[Drainy]

How embarrassing to have a party of liars who expect to never form a government so won't ever be expected to implement any promises promise more than the government in waiting. How will Angela Rayner live on

 

[rcoobc]

I mean, I think they're going to do the scrapping of the 2 child limit as a last hurrah. There is room for it in their manifesto costings. They've £2.5bn headroom

 

[Buster15]

But there's no danger that Labour will not win the election easily. In three or four week's time or so they will be the government but there's not even a flicker of a plan other than training people to do jobs which they may not want to do or at best will take years to be trained to do. If everything went according to their plan, nothing is going to happen for a very long time.

In the meantime the economy will get worse so it will be at a lower point than it is now. The real Brexit is coming as well.

It's just so underwhelming that a government can have a free hit and waste it. The next election in 2029 is going to be a lot more difficult to win and if they're too scared now....

I can well understand this as well as your frustration. All I can assume is that when the GE is over and assuming Labour win it, the various ministers will get down to starting their various jobs. And the more detailed plans will be put in place.

2 assumptions there. 1 looks reasonably likely. The 2nd assumption, we will have to wait and see. Clearly not every job has been allocated. Especially down to the 'doing' roles.

From what know, Labour has a reasonably strong team.

 

[Buster15]

Labours manifesto to provide employment rights (e.g. unfair dismissal protection) from day 1 is huge.

It is. Some people say that there is little difference between Labour and Tory manifesto.
But clearly they could not have read them.

 

[Drainy]

It is. Some people say that there is little difference between Labour and Tory manifesto.
But clearly they could not have read them.

Some people are in a social media bubble where they get presented with a biased account of something, and the only experience of the counterpoints are swept away and the proponents dogpiled and brigaded and everyone feels righteous in doing so.

 

[Buster15]

The UK would be so much better off if they just put one person on that plane to Rwanda, NF

Why do you demean yourself by even posting about him.
He is a Con Man who conned the majority into believing the EU was to blame for everything and has been proven to be wrong.
So just like smoke and mirrors, he has reinvented himself as the saviour of the UK.
Just ignore the stupid twat.

 

[Buster15]

Some people are in a social media bubble where they get presented with a biased account of something, and the only experience of the counterpoints are swept away and the proponents dogpiled and brigaded and everyone feels righteous in doing so.

Correct.

 

[Longshanks]

Why do you demean yourself by even posting about him.
He is a Con Man who conned the majority into believing the EU was to blame for everything and has been proven to be wrong.
So just like smoke and mirrors, he has reinvented himself as the saviour of the UK.
Just ignore the stupid twat.

The problem is lots of people don't ignore him they believe what he says, because he says what those people are thinking.

But rather than engage with those people everyone runs around calling them racist bigots from the far right, and that just alienates them and pushes them towards odious bigots like Nigel Farage, who is only interested in himself.

Guess what those racist bigots are polling around 15%, someone grown up need to engage with them rather than ignore them otherwise the people like farage will keep on getting platformed and gaining popularity.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Why do you demean yourself by even posting about him.
He is a Con Man who conned the majority into believing the EU was to blame for everything and has been proven to be wrong.
So just like smoke and mirrors, he has reinvented himself as the saviour of the UK.
Just ignore the stupid twat.

But the media isn't ignoring him, he's everywhere. He's a parasite and should be called out by all the other parties in the election. The smaller parties confront him like the SNP , Greens, Lib-Dem and PC but not the media nor Labour nor the Tories because they the Tories are too deep into the Immigrant/Brexit and Labour, who you would have hoped with this opportunity would have had the guts to wipe him out but instead are also into a ridiculous plan for the small boats and an even more ridiculous approach to Brexit. Both makes them fall into Farage's hands. This is the wasted opportunity I meant.

 

[Jippy]

Sunak sticking to his integrity promise, trying to make his close mate and major Tory donor a lord, even after the BBC fiasco.

Sunak seeks to reward ex-BBC chairman Richard Sharp

The prime minister has nominated his former boss at Goldman Sachs for an honour despite his involvement in helping to secure a loan for Boris Johnson

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politic...eward-ex-bbc-chairman-richard-sharp-dnp6n5xh8

 

[Badunk]

 

[redcucumber]

The problem is lots of people don't ignore him they believe what he says, because he says what those people are thinking.

But rather than engage with those people everyone runs around calling them racist bigots from the far right, and that just alienates them and pushes them towards odious bigots like Nigel Farage, who is only interested in himself.

Guess what those racist bigots are polling around 15%, someone grown up need to engage with them rather than ignore them otherwise the people like farage will keep on getting platformed and gaining popularity.

How does the left engage Nigel Farage/the far right and get them onside? It's not possible, is it?

 

[Buster15]

The problem is lots of people don't ignore him they believe what he says, because he says what those people are thinking.

But rather than engage with those people everyone runs around calling them racist bigots from the far right, and that just alienates them and pushes them towards odious bigots like Nigel Farage, who is only interested in himself.

Guess what those racist bigots are polling around 15%, someone grown up need to engage with them rather than ignore them otherwise the people like farage will keep on getting platformed and gaining popularity.

That is democracy my friend.
It would be incredibly difficult to actually engage with him. For the simple reason that he has no ability to listen to anything apart from himself.
As I said. He is a con artist and there will always be people who he can manipulate into believing him. Just blame everyone else for everything and invent ever more ridiculous reasons why you are right. That is how he operates.

 

[Badunk]

How does the left engage Nigel Farage/the far right and get them onside? It's not possible, is it?

No. Even if the left were to offer policies that appealed to Reform voters, they would prefer to trust politicians who have a history of supporting them.

 

[Longshanks]

How does the left engage Nigel Farage/the far right and get them onside? It's not possible, is it?

It's not Nigel Farage or the far right that need engaging, it's the white working class that feel like they are getting squeezed out of there own towns and cities, there towns and cities and the people in them, have changed beyond recognition In the last 20 years, the traditional left call them racists, the traditional right don't give a damn. They feel lost and isolated and Farage calls to there fears, they can see the result of immigration and mass migration staring them in the face, alongside the fact that there public services have crumbled before there eyes.

These people live in post industrial Britain which is some of the poorest and most deprived area of Europe let alone Britain. They have been deserted by the traditional parties that is what has led to UKIP/Brexit and now Reform.

They are not all racist bigots, they have very real fears that actually have some substance and it's not just based on racism. The left have failed them, because the left should be the ones to look after them. We learn nothing from history it seems.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

That is democracy my friend.
It would be incredibly difficult to actually engage with him. For the simple reason that he has no ability to listen to anything apart from himself.
As I said. He is a con artist and there will always be people who he can manipulate into believing him. Just blame everyone else for everything and invent ever more ridiculous reasons why you are right. That is how he operates.

The other parties are not afraid to engage him. But the real way is to refute all the claims he makes, nobody does. The media are useless and enjoy the confrontational part of it, the Tories are running scared and Starmer is so weak he won't do anything.

Labour have a chance but they won't because they're too scared some racist will vote for the Tories. But you don't even need to engage him directly. Labour are calling the small boats people illegal immigrants like the Tories. They won't set up safe routes which is the only solution. The increase in the immigration has been exacerbated by Brexit but Farage still gets away with it.

Since 2016 Starmer has been consistent , he thinks that the UK can have the same benefits inside the EU as out of it and still thinks he's going to get a better deal like he said in 2019 and the even more ridiculous idea of a second referendum.

He's put a chain around his neck because he continuously has said he'll make Brexit work. Not possible. And stop saying it , for pity's sake. Call Brexit out for what it is, an absolute disaster which he should have done years ago.

The voters who are not really engaged in politics just repeat what they've read in papers , on TV or social media. If the only hope you've got, which is Labour, repeat the same stuff , there's no hope.

 

[TwoSheds]

It's not Nigel Farage or the far right that need engaging, it's the white working class that feel like they are getting squeezed out of there own towns and cities, there towns and cities and the people in them, have changed beyond recognition In the last 20 years, the traditional left call them racists, the traditional right don't give a damn. They feel lost and isolated and Farage calls to there fears, they can see the result of immigration and mass migration staring them in the face, alongside the fact that there public services have crumbled before there eyes.

These people live in post industrial Britain which is some of the poorest and most deprived area of Europe let alone Britain. They have been deserted by the traditional parties that is what has led to UKIP/Brexit and now Reform.

They are not all racist bigots, they have very real fears that actually have some substance and it's not just based on racism. The left have failed them, because the left should be the ones to look after them. We learn nothing from history it seems.

The Labour party pander to their fears - it's not the immigration that's fecked their towns over, it's decades of failure to invest in their infrastructure, education, health and communities. But try to catch a Labour front bencher saying that, or indeed saying they're going to change it. All they say is "you're right, we'll ritually punish some immigrants for you, no need to invest in your town then".

 

[Giggsyking]

It's not Nigel Farage or the far right that need engaging, it's the white working class that feel like they are getting squeezed out of there own towns and cities, there towns and cities and the people in them, have changed beyond recognition In the last 20 years, the traditional left call them racists, the traditional right don't give a damn. They feel lost and isolated and Farage calls to there fears, they can see the result of immigration and mass migration staring them in the face, alongside the fact that there public services have crumbled before there eyes.

These people live in post industrial Britain which is some of the poorest and most deprived area of Europe let alone Britain. They have been deserted by the traditional parties that is what has led to UKIP/Brexit and now Reform.

They are not all racist bigots, they have very real fears that actually have some substance and it's not just based on racism. The left have failed them, because the left should be the ones to look after them. We learn nothing from history it seems.

Their fears is that they have to share the wealth that their colonial ancestors once stole and never gave back with the very people they stole it from.

Edit: I am talking about Nigel Farage's racist followers (we have to take Britain back from the immigrants).

 

[Don't Kill Bill]

It's not Nigel Farage or the far right that need engaging, it's the white working class that feel like they are getting squeezed out of there own towns and cities, there towns and cities and the people in them, have changed beyond recognition In the last 20 years, the traditional left call them racists, the traditional right don't give a damn. They feel lost and isolated and Farage calls to there fears, they can see the result of immigration and mass migration staring them in the face, alongside the fact that there public services have crumbled before there eyes.

These people live in post industrial Britain which is some of the poorest and most deprived area of Europe let alone Britain. They have been deserted by the traditional parties that is what has led to UKIP/Brexit and now Reform.

They are not all racist bigots, they have very real fears that actually have some substance and it's not just based on racism. The left have failed them, because the left should be the ones to look after them. We learn nothing from history it seems.

That is why they started the Labour party when the Liberals did the same. It is their party but you wouldn't know if from some of the people who claim they support it. Lets face it most of the hard left hate them and would much prefer it if they just shut up and voted labour and let Islington decide what is important.

 

[Buster15]

The other parties are not afraid to engage him. But the real way is to refute all the claims he makes, nobody does. The media are useless and enjoy the confrontational part of it, the Tories are running scared and Starmer is so weak he won't do anything.

Labour have a chance but they won't because they're too scared some racist will vote for the Tories. But you don't even need to engage him directly. Labour are calling the small boats people illegal immigrants like the Tories. They won't set up safe routes which is the only solution. The increase in the immigration has been exacerbated by Brexit but Farage still gets away with it.

Since 2016 Starmer has been consistent , he thinks that the UK can have the same benefits inside the EU as out of it and still thinks he's going to get a better deal like he said in 2019 and the even more ridiculous idea of a second referendum.

He's put a chain around his neck because he continuously has said he'll make Brexit work. Not possible. And stop saying it , for pity's sake. Call Brexit out for what it is, an absolute disaster which he should have done years ago.

The voters who are not really engaged in politics just repeat what they've read in papers , on TV or social media. If the only hope you've got, which is Labour, repeat the same stuff , there's no hope.

I have watched some but not all of the TV debates. And I don't remember Farage really attacking Labour. Certainly not in the way Mordant has.
He knows that he is going to get most of the votes from the Tories. Although I am sure that he is hurting Labour, they don't really need to worry that much about him, because he is hurting Tories much more.

It is about picking your fights at the right time.

 

[Buster15]

That is why they started the Labour party when the Liberals did the same. It is their party but you wouldn't know if from some of the people who claim they support it. Lets face it most of the hard left hate them and would much prefer it if they just shut up and voted labour and let Islington decide what is important.

It wasn't that long ago that some MPs from Labour and Liberals left their parties and started the SDP in order to occupy the centre ground. While initially popular, it ran out of steam when New Labour took the centre ground.

I am hopeful that in the GE, Reform only get a very few MPs and they will also dwindle. Especially if Farage takes over the Tories...

 

[Paul the Wolf]

I have watched some but not all of the TV debates. And I don't remember Farage really attacking Labour. Certainly not in the way Mordant has.
He knows that he is going to get most of the votes from the Tories. Although I am sure that he is hurting Labour, they don't really need to worry that much about him, because he is hurting Tories much more.

It is about picking your fights at the right time.

No, he hasn't really picked fights with Labour because he's after the Tory votes. He knows Labour are going to win. Farage has been getting away with nonsense for about twenty years in the UK because everyone's afraid of him.

He'd pop up a few times a year in Brussels or Strasbourg as an MEP , collect his salary, have a rant for an hour so and then go back home. Laughing stock in the EU. Why does he get away with it in the UK when he's caused nothing but misery for the UK. Because nobody does anything about it. Tories and Labour fall into his trap with the help of the media.

 

[Longshanks]

Their fears is that they have to share the wealth that their colonial ancestors once stole and never gave back with the very people they stole it from.

Pardon? Are you actually serious?

 

[africanspur]

Their fears is that they have to share the wealth that their colonial ancestors once stole and never gave back with the very people they stole it from.

This is a ridiculously reductive argument about the white British working class.

 

[TwoSheds]

Their fears is that they have to share the wealth that their colonial ancestors once stole and never gave back with the very people they stole it from.

A daft take for many / most of Farage's supporters. Go to Eastbourne or another deprived coastal town and see how much colonial wealth they have. The richer ones sure, but they're the minority I think. The British upper class have fecked Britain just as much as they have the rest of the world.

 

[Eplel]

Completely agree! I work in HR and this is a nightmare for me.

I work in HR too. Any employer that thinks having the means to easily dismiss their employees is an advantage for them is looking at the tree and missing the forrest.
Employers lose money when they lose employees and have to replace them and train their replacements.

My job in HR is to make sure the environment is right for the employees to thrive, and that way my employer wins too. If the employer thinks that treating your workforce well is a cost, they are deluded - it's an investment on one of their most valuable resources, if not the most valuable.
My advice is, if you're in the corporate side of HR, jump to startups/scaleups. The difference is night and day, and it will do wonders for your mental health.

 

[TwoSheds]

I work in HR too. Any employer that thinks having the means to easily dismiss their employees is an advantage for them is looking at the tree and missing the forrest.
Employers lose money when they lose employees and have to replace them and train their replacements.

My job in HR is to make sure the environment is right for the employees to thrive, and that way my employer wins too. If the employer thinks that treating your workforce well is a cost, they are deluded - it's an investment on one of their most valuable resources, if not the most valuable.
My advice is, if you're in the corporate side of HR, jump to startups/scaleups. The difference is night and day, and it will do wonders for your mental health.

You're in the minority there my friend. Most HR departments are packed full of snakes, incompetents, and incompetent snakes. If you get one that's both capable and nice then you've to hold on to them for dear life.

 

[11101]

Their fears is that they have to share the wealth that their colonial ancestors once stole and never gave back with the very people they stole it from.

Christ how old do you think these people are?