General Election 2024

Who got your vote?

  • Labour

    Votes: 147 54.2%

  • Conservative

    Votes: 5 1.8%

  • Lib Dem

    Votes: 25 9.2%

  • Green

    Votes: 48 17.7%

  • Reform

    Votes: 11 4.1%

  • SNP

    Votes: 5 1.8%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Independent

    Votes: 8 3.0%

  • UK resident but not voting

    Votes: 18 6.6%

  • Spoiled my ballot

    Votes: 3 1.1%
  • Total voters
    271
  • Poll closed .
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Kaos said:
They are in countries like Germany, but it's hardly the case in the UK and other European nations. Have a look at the voting intention breakdown by age group in this country.
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Yes. There was a TV discussion yesterday but the voting intentions in the new constituency of Bristol Central.
And almost all were saying that they invented to vote for the Green Party, with the odd 1 or 2 saying Labour.
None said Reform or Tory.
And the main reason given was climate change and the pulling back by Starmer from his previous Green Agenda.

I would be interested to hear of any of the Right Wing parties in Europe who have a strong policy on climate change.
 
Buster15 said:
Really. That didn't sound anything like it to me.
Have you read the Labour manifesto??
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Yes. There is no commitment to investment. They have committed to no tax rises, no borrowing though, which means austerity.

They say they would like to do quite a few things. But its always couched in language that never commits, 'a review' w' we will investigate'. The key point is that the fiscal rules they have arbitrarily adopted mean they cant invest, so we get more of the same.

Which is why, no matter what they write down, every shadow minister is on TV saying 'there is no money'.

Which is exactly what osborne said.

He was lying, and so are labour.
 
Nogbadthebad said:
Yes. There is no commitment to investment. They have committed to no tax rises, no borrowing though, which means austerity.

They say they would like to do quite a few things. But its always couched in language that never commits, 'a review' w' we will investigate'. The key point is that the fiscal rules they have arbitrarily adopted mean they cant invest, so we get more of the same.

Which is why, no matter what they write down, every shadow minister is on TV saying 'there is no money'.

Which is exactly what osborne said.

He was lying, and so are labour.
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It's all just talk, Labour are trying to push talk about growth but you can't achieve growth without public spending. The truth is the Osbourne manifesto commited to double the amount of public spending than Labour are now doing.

It's been said on here for a long time we'll just end up with a Cameron and Osbourne style government and that seems to be the case.
 
Smores said:
It's all just talk, Labour are trying to push talk about growth but you can't achieve growth without public spending. The truth is the Osbourne manifesto commited to double the amount of public spending than Labour are now doing.

It's been said on here for a long time we'll just end up with a Cameron and Osbourne style government and that seems to be the case.
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All we can hope for is less corruption and rebuilding the independence of our public institutions. And with chancers like Streeting around I wouldn't be confident.
 
Nogbadthebad said:
Yes. There is no commitment to investment. They have committed to no tax rises, no borrowing though, which means austerity.

They say they would like to do quite a few things. But its always couched in language that never commits, 'a review' w' we will investigate'. The key point is that the fiscal rules they have arbitrarily adopted mean they cant invest, so we get more of the same.

Which is why, no matter what they write down, every shadow minister is on TV saying 'there is no money'.

Which is exactly what osborne said.

He was lying, and so are labour.
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Meh, they're just trying to avoid scaring the pigeons, and you can hardly blame them. They're like a team thats 3-0 up, but they've thrown away so many leads they still choose to bring a defender on for the last 10 minutes. I mean, exactly how many extra seats would they gain by promising a big spending agenda at this point in time? So you can hardly blame them. Better to judge them by their performance in power.
 
quadrant said:
Meh, they're just trying to avoid scaring the pigeons, and you can hardly blame them. They're like a team thats 3-0 up, but they've thrown away so many leads they still choose to bring a defender on for the last 10 minutes. I mean, exactly how many extra seats would they gain by promising a big spending agenda at this point in time? So you can hardly blame them. Better to judge them by their performance in power.
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They are not.

They are in the pockets of the very people who benefit from what we are now. The business man who helped them launch the manifesto yesterday applied to be a tory MP when Liz Truss was prime minister. Now hes funding labour.

It is not because he wants to help workers. Its because they have the same policies, and he will benefit exactly as he has doine the last 14 years.

Reeves is openly talking about austerity. Not to 'scare anyone', but because that is what she beleives. She was doing it in 2012, she is still doing it now. She will not suddenly change.
 
Nogbadthebad said:
They are not.

They are in the pockets of the very people who benefit from what we are now. The business man who helped them launch the manifesto yesterday applied to be a tory MP when Liz Truss was prime minister. Now hes funding labour.

It is not because he wants to help workers. Its because they have the same policies, and he will benefit exactly as he has doine the last 14 years.

Reeves is openly talking about austerity. Not to 'scare anyone', but because that is what she beleives. She was doing it in 2012, she is still doing it now. She will not suddenly change.
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Your mind's already made up then, fair enough. As I say, I prefer to judge them on their record.
 
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Labour keep repeating the same robotic rehearsed line about their plan for growth but don't seem to have any plan for growth, it's too secret. Rayner last night kept repeating the same thing that Starmer said the night before and Rayner looked as if she doesn't believe in it at all.

And if there's no growth there's no spending. A vicious circle.
 
quadrant said:
Meh, they're just trying to avoid scaring the pigeons, and you can hardly blame them. They're like a team thats 3-0 up, but they've thrown away so many leads they still choose to bring a defender on for the last 10 minutes. I mean, exactly how many extra seats would they gain by promising a big spending agenda at this point in time? So you can hardly blame them. Better to judge them by their performance in power.
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Exactly.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Labour keep repeating the same robotic rehearsed line about their plan for growth but don't seem to have any plan for growth, it's too secret. Rayner last night kept repeating the same thing that Starmer said the night before and Rayner looked as if she doesn't believe in it at all.

And if there's no growth there's no spending. A vicious circle.
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As someone said above, I will judge them on what they manage to achieve.
And you can not achieve anything until you are the government.
 
Smores said:
It's all just talk, Labour are trying to push talk about growth but you can't achieve growth without public spending. The truth is the Osbourne manifesto commited to double the amount of public spending than Labour are now doing.

It's been said on here for a long time we'll just end up with a Cameron and Osbourne style government and that seems to be the case.
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I'm not sure which election manifesto you're talking about, but 2010's manifesto was torn up in months as he then did the biggest spending cuts in welfare and the public sector in decades. He delivered nothing on 2010's manifesto on public spending.
 
Buster15 said:
As someone said above, I will judge them on what they manage to achieve.
And you can not achieve anything until you are the government.
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But there's no danger that Labour will not win the election easily. In three or four week's time or so they will be the government but there's not even a flicker of a plan other than training people to do jobs which they may not want to do or at best will take years to be trained to do. If everything went according to their plan, nothing is going to happen for a very long time.

In the meantime the economy will get worse so it will be at a lower point than it is now. The real Brexit is coming as well.

It's just so underwhelming that a government can have a free hit and waste it. The next election in 2029 is going to be a lot more difficult to win and if they're too scared now....
 
Paul the Wolf said:
But there's no danger that Labour will not win the election easily. In three or four week's time or so they will be the government but there's not even a flicker of a plan other than training people to do jobs which they may not want to do or at best will take years to be trained to do. If everything went according to their plan, nothing is going to happen for a very long time.

In the meantime the economy will get worse so it will be at a lower point than it is now. The real Brexit is coming as well.

It's just so underwhelming that a government can have a free hit and waste it. The next election in 2029 is going to be a lot more difficult to win and if they're too scared now....
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With a very good chance that by 2029, the tory party is one that has absorbed reform and is led by a genuine extremist, not the media pretend kind, in farage.
 
Just braved the Express website for the first time in ages. Seven of their first 13 stories are pro-Farage pieces, mixed in with some Labour bashing. Telegraph really swinging behind Farage too. The Tories' most loyal rags have moved on.
 
Jippy said:
Just braved the Express website for the first time in ages. Seven of their first 13 stories are pro-Farage pieces, mixed in with some Labour bashing. Telegraph really swinging behind Farage too. The Tories' most loyal rags have moved on.
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Which papers end up backing the Tories in the election? The Mail and The Telegraph surely get there in the end, but I don't expect any others.
 
It's quite a depressing election all round really. Labour are just being handed the keys to no 10 because the Tories have been such a car crash.

Theres no real opposition to labour in this election and that's a problem it means all labour have to do is not make a complete mess of themselves, they have promised very little really and I can't see there being a massive change really.

Feel like some of the smaller parties are missing a trick at the moment particularly the lib dems and the greens, think they both have a really chance to win a lot of seats, they don't need to attack the Tories there going to have a bad election mostly of there own doing anyway. They probably need to start attacking labours seemingly promise nothing deliver little stance.

We will see still plenty of time left.
 
ThierryHenry said:
Which papers end up backing the Tories in the election? The Mail and The Telegraph surely get there in the end, but I don't expect any others.
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The Tel hates Sunak and is so far right now. DM and Sun writing way less on the election than the Telegraph. Times still less rabid too.
Only backing for Sunak is in Labour-bashing stories. No-one going all in behind an expected loser. Plays to Farage though.
 
Longshanks said:
It's quite a depressing election all round really. Labour are just being handed the keys to no 10 because the Tories have been such a car crash.

Theres no real opposition to labour in this election and that's a problem it means all labour have to do is not make a complete mess of themselves, they have promised very little really and I can't see there being a massive change really.

Feel like some of the smaller parties are missing a trick at the moment particularly the lib dems and the greens, think they both have a really chance to win a lot of seats, they don't need to attack the Tories there going to have a bad election mostly of there own doing anyway. They probably need to start attacking labours seemingly promise nothing deliver little stance.

We will see still plenty of time left.
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The Lib Dems target seats are overwhelmingly held by Tories.

https://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/liberal-democrat
 
Mr Pigeon said:
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That is exactly what is needed, or the modern day equivalent of Tool-makers and Pattern-makers, when these two trades started to get busy you knew the economy was on the up.... of course that was when we actually made things!
 
It’s a fecking disgrace that racist cnut Farage is going from interview to interview spouting bollocks and just not being challenged at all. He’s pulled out of the Nick Robinson interview. They’ve got no fecking policies apart from going on about immigration. They want to privatise healthcare. Feck me how thick can people get to vote for these feckers.

Labour also making a mistake by not attacking him. I mean he supported Truss’s budget, so much to go for but everyone is toothless it seems. Meanwhile he glides from one media appearance to another and Reform bots are all over social media as well.
 
TheGame said:
It’s a fecking disgrace that racist cnut Farage is going from interview to interview spouting bollocks and just not being challenged at all. He’s pulled out of the Nick Robinson interview. They’ve got no fecking policies apart from going on about immigration. They want to privatise healthcare. Feck me how thick can people get to vote for these feckers.

Labour also making a mistake by not attacking him. I mean he supported Truss’s budget, so much to go for but everyone is toothless it seems. Meanwhile he glides from one media appearance to another and Reform bots are all over social media as well.
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Far right are all over social media everywhere, not just in the UK. Bots working overtime to suck the gullible in. It works.

Labour keep promoting him as well by saying "Britain needs reform."
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Far right are all over social media everywhere, not just in the UK. Bots working overtime to suck the gullible in. It works.

Labour keep promoting him as well by saying "Britain needs reform."
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Wasn’t sure if it was just me. Lots of bots everywhere, media up his ass as well. Just a fecking racist peddling shite with no policies and people voting for that and they wonder why we are always in the shit.
 
TheGame said:
It’s a fecking disgrace that racist cnut Farage is going from interview to interview spouting bollocks and just not being challenged at all. He’s pulled out of the Nick Robinson interview. They’ve got no fecking policies apart from going on about immigration. They want to privatise healthcare. Feck me how thick can people get to vote for these feckers.

Labour also making a mistake by not attacking him. I mean he supported Truss’s budget, so much to go for but everyone is toothless it seems. Meanwhile he glides from one media appearance to another and Reform bots are all over social media as well.
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What are Labour going to attack him on? The stupid cnut in charge of the party described Sunak as "the most liberal prime minister we've ever had on immigration" and whipped his party in support of the Brexit deal, after saying he supported it before he'd even read the thing and his Health Secretary can't go an interview without talking about using private healthcare providers.

Farage has even said he'd bin the two child benefit cap, so Farage hilariously has more ammo to aim at Starmer than the other way around.
 
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Probably won't get raked over the coals for having no oversight who is running on behalf of his PLC.
 
Had a bit of skim through the Labour manifesto. I can't say there was anything in there that seemed daft but it seemed generally more vague than the Conservative and Lib Dem ones. It's of no surprise, given the approach but it's not very ambitious either.

Generally, I preferred, Lib Dem manifesto but there were more moments where I thought, I don't agree with that.

I'll likely vote for one of the two and will base it on the local candidates - from what I've read, I prefer the Labour candidate.
 
Labours manifesto to provide employment rights (e.g. unfair dismissal protection) from day 1 is huge.
 
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